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Madkal posted:What I am really failing to understand here is who are the communists supposed to be? Russia hasn't been a communist country in decades. Russia has never been a communist country under Putin. Russia's entire structure under Putin has been very very far from communist, so who does this person actually think "the libs" are rooting against? Russia = Communist, duh
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Xotl posted:ethnically the oblast is now 85%+ Russian and Russia wants to keep it.
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Madkal posted:What I am really failing to understand here is who are the communists supposed to be? Russia hasn't been a communist country in decades. Russia has never been a communist country under Putin. Russia's entire structure under Putin has been very very far from communist, so who does this person actually think "the libs" are rooting against? only america/west has agency. that's basically it. also "the libs" are the greatest threat. these fucks didn't learn anything from the rise of nazi germany. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_fascism like i like parts of marxism alot and mostly agree with at least its use as lense to study history, but this shits kinda poisoned it for me hard.
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Some people don't actually have coherent ideologies, and a lot of the worse "leftists" are just fundamentally opposed to American and Western European dominance. When you stop trying to pin any other ideology on them, it makes sense. The other thing is that in a coherent leftist ideology, there are no good guys directly involved in this conflict. Neither an authoritarian oligarchy or a corrupt, barely functional democracy that is attempting to liberalize is your friend. So these types become reactionaries against the Western media narrative and start saying really dumb things.
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Mar 11, 2022 00:59
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Mar 11, 2022 01:03
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Xotl posted:No one wants to open that can of worms, especially since ethnically the oblast is now 85%+ Russian and Russia wants to keep it. Russian doctrine was to expel the locals from annexed territory and resettle it with Russians to avoid any uprisings or having to deal with a minority population. Returning Kaliningrad to Germany/Poland or the Kuril islands to Japan would mean that these countries would suddenly find themselves inheriting large Russian minority areas. I recall reading at some point that Kaliningrad has some serious environmental issues as well.
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Mar 11, 2022 01:04
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Russia going all in on this bullshit huh. https://twitter.com/biannagolodryga/status/1502071182996164609?t=WiAGr9uZUcfQtf-sEc5r3g&s=19 Well. Huh.
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Mar 11, 2022 01:04
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Are they regrouping northwards to avoid getting surrounded and decimated?
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Russia, successor state to the USSR, stands against the West and is friendly with China. This puts them on the same team, at least in spirit, with people who are against the West across the whole ideological spectrum. Add in Putin cultivating a specific kind of image that facilitates forming a parasocial relationship with, and Russia's shotgun approach to propaganda, and anyone so inclined can just pick and choose what is true while projecting their own ideas to the nature of whatever conflicts they get involved in. And for this invasion Putin has gone full mask-off, the chickens have come home to roost, and those people are now being forced to deal with the cognitive dissonance - it's not about trying to win internet arguments, its about mental gymnastics and masks coming off. ED: and this is completely independent of libhawks existing and being morons
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Mar 11, 2022 01:06
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NYT is reporting the whole Facebook allowing for calls for violence against Russians in ‘certain’ countries thing now.
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ZombieLenin posted:NYT is reporting the whole Facebook allowing for calls for violence against Russians in ‘certain’ countries thing now. Le sigh, this is how misinformation spreads. We literally have a live example in front of us.
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Mar 11, 2022 01:07
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MadJackal posted:Yeah my money’s on capitalism on this one. In the 90's when all the theft made so many rich, someone told me that the Soviets believed everything they learned in school and were warned about capitalism: rapacious, cuthroat thievery run by the mafia. So they emulated it.
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FizFashizzle posted:WNC has a sizable Ukrainian population. Get on on the ground floor for the "Moscow Madison" sobriquet
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Mar 11, 2022 01:08
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Dapper_Swindler posted:only america/west has agency. that's basically it. also "the libs" are the greatest threat. these fucks didn't learn anything from the rise of nazi germany. The social democrats reeeeeeely hosed over the German communists; they even armed and used the freikorps (the beta for Nazism) to crush communist agitation. The social democrats also betrayed the second international by being pro wwi. The lesson was never join a popular front. They were correct in the context of German parliamentary politics and in that social democratic parties rapidly become bourgeoisie.
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Mar 11, 2022 01:09
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Cimber posted:Today's briefing: https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-10 Lol that Russia can’t even sustain an offensive even after days of consolidation and resupply.
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Mar 11, 2022 01:10
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KitConstantine posted:Russia going all in on this bullshit huh. "It seems while the Ukrainians were shelling and attacking themselves, devious plots become known to Russia alone."
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Mar 11, 2022 01:11
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CommieGIR posted:"It seems while the Ukrainians were shelling and attacking themselves, devious plots become known to Russia alone." Clearly they were trying to hide the evidence!
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Redeployed where? Belarus?
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awesome-express posted:Le sigh, this is how misinformation spreads. We literally have a live example in front of us. to be fair Facebook kind of has it coming on the whole spreading fake news thing
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Mar 11, 2022 01:15
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The_Franz posted:Russian doctrine was to expel the locals from annexed territory and resettle it with Russians to avoid any uprisings or having to deal with a minority population. Returning Kaliningrad to Germany/Poland or the Kuril islands to Japan would mean that these countries would suddenly find themselves inheriting large Russian minority areas. Not if they decided to move to Crimea or Siberia first. KitConstantine posted:Russia going all in on this bullshit huh. 
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In a nice side note, Kazakhstan is doing their best  https://twitter.com/b_nishanov/status/1502069706806681600?t=eweskHLyXENj2_OLAixpMg&s=19 Russia is putting a lot of pressure on them to take their side and they're staying firmly on Ukraines side for this https://twitter.com/LukeDCoffey/status/1502074443253882885?t=wI9L_m2ZpJFOoTMWzBkUtQ&s=19 Guessing that flashing the Soviet Union flag won't do Russia any favors there
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KitConstantine posted:In a nice side note, Kazakhstan is doing their best Holy poo poo, greatest nation in world confirmed! I have to say I'm also shocked by their behavior considering they got just bailed out by putin E: I'm well aware of their own history with Russians, I just thought it would be more important to suck up now mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Mar 11, 2022 |
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DandyLion posted:Clearly they were trying to hide the evidence! And clearly the secret American weapons lab were taken by complete surprise by the attack they'd been yelling to the world was coming for the last month.
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Mar 11, 2022 01:23
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Also while the official Belarusian army hasn't moved a step Belarusian fighters on the side of Ukraine are filming flashy recruitment videos https://twitter.com/war_noir/status/1502056977798680578?t=lkATYSkC8mMbgqMllBTwpg&s=19 I wouldn't call it a great sign for Lukashenko
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Dapper_Swindler posted:only america/west has agency. that's basically it. also "the libs" are the greatest threat. these fucks didn't learn anything from the rise of nazi germany. This is not 'basically it.' Lots of online lefties are being dumb as poo poo about this war because A) people in general are ignorant as hell about foreign policy and will simply read it through their ideological priors, and B) after two decades of the media cheerleading bloody, idiotic, criminal overseas wars under a rhetoric of liberation and human dignity they are primed to believe the opposite of what it tells them. C) addendum to B, the current atmosphere in the papers and liberal commentariat is vaguely reminiscent of the post 9-11 jingoist nightmare and thats probably throwing people as well (see DSA's deeply embarassing statements on the war for example) also people posting context-less fragments of early 20th century history from loving wikipedia is not helping, and we probably shouldnt just open the can of worms that is Weimar era social democratic and communist politics itt!
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KitConstantine posted:In a nice side note, Kazakhstan is doing their best I think Kazakhstan is getting very strong "this could be you" vibes from the Ukraine invasion and would very much prefer it to be a failure.
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KitConstantine posted:In a nice side note, Kazakhstan is doing their best This is excellent news, I imagine despite Kazakhstan's links to Putin they feel safe to do this because Russia's military is far too busy to open up another front, and Russia's economy and reputation is tunneling into the Earth's core so it's a better move all around to move away from them.
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KitConstantine posted:Also while the official Belarusian army hasn't moved a step Belarusian fighters on the side of Ukraine are filming flashy recruitment videos Haha maybe those Russians are pulling out of Ukraine in case there’s a coup in Belarus and they get cut off from their supply lines even more.
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My brain is too broke to determine if this is real, satire, or terror. https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1502077728044036096?cxt=HHwWgMC50YfvudgpAAAA 
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TulliusCicero posted:Redeployed where? Belarus? Looks like they just moved off the road some? Not sure. Pictures below   
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The Lone Badger posted:I think Kazakhstan is getting very strong "this could be you" vibes from the Ukraine invasion and would very much prefer it to be a failure. Zyuganov literally gave a "North Kazakhstan is Russia!" speech recently.
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KitConstantine posted:In a nice side note, Kazakhstan is doing their best Kazakhstan can re-adjust into the Chinese sphere of influence any time they like. They have a long border with China and the Chinese market is larger and richer than the Russian one. China wants help securing its western territories and hey look at who’s right there. Putin is bogged down in Ukraine, what’s he going to do, open a second front thousands of km away? Kazakhstan is 19% Russian ethnicity, so that’s a lot of Russian people, but they can be “invited” to leave an Asian country. It is definitely not Russia.
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Nieuw Amsterdam posted:Kazakhstan can re-adjust into the Chinese sphere of influence any time they like. Also I remember reading somewhere that China has been investing heavily in Kasakhstan infrastructure with their new silk road program
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KitConstantine posted:In a nice side note, Kazakhstan is doing their best yeah they are gonna be the next on the list if russia somehow makes all this work perfectly. i wouldnt be shocked if more states end up trying to break away soon. Fuligin posted:This is not 'basically it.' Lots of online lefties are being dumb as poo poo about this war because A) people in general are ignorant as hell about foreign policy and will simply read it through their ideological priors, and B) after two decades of the media cheerleading bloody, idiotic, criminal overseas wars under a rhetoric of liberation and human dignity they are primed to believe the opposite of what it tells them. C) addendum to B, the current atmosphere in the papers and liberal commentariat is vaguely reminiscent of the post 9-11 jingoist nightmare and thats probably throwing people as well (see DSA's deeply embarassing statements on the war for example) good points. thanks.
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mobby_6kl posted:Holy poo poo, greatest nation in world confirmed! This is what happens when people smell blood in the water around "strongmen". Putin's means of gaining power creates not just a lot of enemies but a lot of "friends" who are just waiting for a sign of weakness.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah they are gonna be the next on the list if russia somehow makes all this work perfectly. i wouldnt be shocked if more states end up trying to break away soon. A lot of them should know better and are deceiving themselves. I think it is fair in this case to draw a direct parallel to the Second World War and they are, in essence, arguing in favor of the the side of state capitalist nationalism trying to take territory from their neighbors under the guise of “Greater Russia.” This is a textbook definition of people on the left supporting fascism and being intentionally oblivious—because the United States is ‘bad.’ And I am saying this as a Marxist.
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Fuligin posted:This is not 'basically it.' Lots of online lefties are being dumb as poo poo about this war because A) people in general are ignorant as hell about foreign policy and will simply read it through their ideological priors, and B) after two decades of the media cheerleading bloody, idiotic, criminal overseas wars under a rhetoric of liberation and human dignity they are primed to believe the opposite of what it tells them. C) addendum to B, the current atmosphere in the papers and liberal commentariat is vaguely reminiscent of the post 9-11 jingoist nightmare and thats probably throwing people as well (see DSA's deeply embarassing statements on the war for example) This utterly depresses me. Especially since this includes some otherwise good people, and I don't know how to get through to them. And it's no longer limited to niche "terminally online" radicals living in an echo chamber. Remember that NY councilwoman that was basically reciting Russia's propaganda verbatim?
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the popes toes posted:My brain is too broke to determine if this is real, satire, or terror. Either way I really want to try their chicken.
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Rinkles posted:This utterly depresses me. Especially since this includes some otherwise good people, and I don't know how to get through to them. And it's no longer limited to niche "terminally online" radicals living in an echo chamber. Remember that NY councilwoman that was basically reciting Russia's propaganda verbatim?
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Rinkles posted:This utterly depresses me. Especially since this includes some otherwise good people, and I don't know how to get through to them. And it's no longer limited to niche "terminally online" radicals living in an echo chamber. Remember that NY councilwoman that was basically reciting Russia's propaganda verbatim? this. like seeing a disability activist loving screaming insane tankie poo poo over a country where they would probably be at best treated like poo poo for their gender and disabilities.
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