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Ynglaur posted:This is an excellent point.
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Ynglaur posted:This is an excellent point. I think you mean "Ukraine". Poland has a bunch of modernized T-72, no idea where PT-91 is in comparison to stuff like T-90, I imagine lower tech but better maintained.
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Kaal posted:The US had a similar policy during the Civil War, but soon realized that it caused massive civilian morale issues because if a unit got hit bad then suddenly some little town in Ohio lost an entire generation of sons. Mixing up the recruits geographically means that losses get spread around a lot more. That’s the often touted reason. The real reason—or at least a huge contributing factor—was the sectionalism that contributed to the American Civil War. So in any future sectional conflict it would be a little difficult for say, the entire regiment from Farmville, Virginia to desert with all of their officers, men, and equipment to join a rebellion.
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:I would just like to mention that our little independent media that we have left, asked Orban's office the other day if he is also going to visit Kyiv like leaders of other countries. Maybe it's just cos I'm old, but those soldiers look like literal schoolchildren to me 
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Kaal posted:The US had a similar policy during the Civil War, but soon realized that it caused massive civilian morale issues because if a unit got hit bad then suddenly some little town in Ohio lost an entire generation of sons. Mixing up the recruits geographically means that losses get spread around a lot more. Though it's still really popular for governments that want to use their militaries to suppress internal dissent or as a public babysitting service for restless young men. Sure it's got that problem in a real war, but in peacetime you make sure the units made up of more loyal regions/ethnicities get the good gear and training and the less loyal ones are stationed too far from home to easily desert. If some restless area needs a little "peacekeeping force" you can make sure it's made up of people who won't identify too much with the locals.
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ZombieLenin posted:Okay, but why do British people put an f in the word? The letter 'v' is used for 'v' and 'u' in Latin. "Lievtenant" pronounced with the f is no more or less correct based on that alphabet limited spelling.
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Barrel Cactaur posted:A deepfaked surrender message is now circulating so expect some dumb takes to pop back up. Wow that's bad. Like pornhub bad.
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ZombieLenin posted:Okay, but why do British people put an f in the word? Latin doesn't have a discrete u and v letter, and this was carried over into French. Lieu was originally pronounced lef as if it was spelled liev. The written spelling gradually changed to lieu with the emergence of the letter u as distinct from v. French pronunciation followed the spelling whereas the Norman and English pronunciation remained lef.
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Pookah posted:Maybe it's just cos I'm old, but those soldiers look like literal schoolchildren to me I was thinking the same thing.
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a pipe smoking dog posted:Latin doesn't have a discrete u and v letter, and this was carried over into French. Lieu was originally pronounced lef as if it was spelled liev. The written spelling gradually changed to lieu with the emergence of the letter u as distinct from v. French pronunciation followed the spelling whereas the Norman and English pronunciation remained lef. In all seriousness, thank you for this answer. This pronunciation difference given the word’s spelling has been bugging me for years. ZombieLenin fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Mar 17, 2022 |
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lilljonas posted:The old French system was so much better. A leader of a battalion was a general de bataillon. A leader of a brigade was a general de brigade. A leader of a division was a general de division. It made way too much sense to be picked up by other armies. Well of course, those are metric ranks, everyone else is standardized on imperial or us customary.
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headspace posted:Looks like at least some Americans are sticking around to fight. And others are... uh. https://twitter.com/benlewismedia/status/1504048686766211073
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https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1504440205352349700?s=21 Edit Russia needs a Zhukov right now. Not to win in the Ukraine, but to tell Putin to stfu and sit down. ZombieLenin fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Mar 17, 2022 |
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Soviets had the same system after revolution :https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_ranks_of_the_Soviet_Union posted:Immediately after the Revolution, personal military ranks were abandoned in favour of a system of positional ranks, which were acronyms of the full position names. For example, KomKor was an acronym of Corps Commander, KomDiv was an acronym of Division Commander, KomBrig stood for Brigade Commander, KomBat stood for Battalion Commander, and so forth.
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Pookah posted:Maybe it's just cos I'm old, but those soldiers look like literal schoolchildren to me Those are academy cadets.
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There Bias Two posted:I was thinking the same thing. Is it something like Hungarian ROTC? The girl looks like she could maybe be 18, but the boy doesn’t look a day over 14.
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Belan posted:And others are... uh. loving hate evangelicals, do they think Orthodox Christians aren’t Christian?
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The point of ministry abroad isn't to convert, it's to go evangelize in the most obnoxious way so that everyone hates you and you come back with a renewed persecution complex and never want to leave the religious community again.
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Belan posted:And others are... uh. Thankfully evangelicals are dumb as hell and so go to the fire and brimstone for recruiting people because it works on those already in the club. E: Triskelli posted:loving hate evangelicals, do they think Orthodox Christians aren’t Christian? Yes, unironically. Barrel Cactaur fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Mar 17, 2022 |
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Triskelli posted:loving hate evangelicals, do they think Orthodox Christians aren’t Christian? They probably think they're Satan worshipers. Evangelicals aren't exactly know for their, uh, theological consistency or having brains.
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Triskelli posted:loving hate evangelicals, do they think Orthodox Christians aren’t Christian? Yes. Just like they think Catholics aren’t Christians. I’m a card carrying historical materialist, but on many occasions I’ve debated evangelicals who would show up on my university campus when I was in grad school, where I found myself explaining… Your stupid version of Christianity would not have came into existence if it weren’t for the Roman church keeping Christianity alive in Western Europe after 476 CE.
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Triskelli posted:loving hate evangelicals, do they think Orthodox Christians aren’t Christian? Evangelicals absolutely believe that every denomination of Christianity outside their own are, at best, corrupted by worldly ideology and not worshipping Jesus correctly, or, at worst, corrupted by Satan and have deviated from worshipping Christ so much that they're essentially pagans.
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Triskelli posted:loving hate evangelicals, do they think Orthodox Christians aren’t Christian? Probably. I've seen a number of Evangelicals argue over the years that Catholics aren't real Christians either.
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Triskelli posted:loving hate evangelicals, do they think Orthodox Christians aren’t Christian? I'm now seriously considering heading to the polish border and run some kind of interference on these assholes
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ZombieLenin posted:Yes. Just like they think Catholics aren’t Christians. The derail is getting kinda long but I have heard the secret oppressed true believers line from some family and it was 
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ZombieLenin posted:That’s the often touted reason. The real reason—or at least a huge contributing factor—was the sectionalism that contributed to the American Civil War. this was still roughly true for the american military through ww2, due to activated national guard units. the 36th division was the Texas Division among other nicknames, because it was composed mostly of national guardsmen from texas (and oklahoma). similarly the 42nd was the Rainbow Division because it was oddly composed of national guard units from all over the country, swept up into one unit that stretched over the whole nation basically as the american military has become more federalized it has become more diverse in terms of mixing soldiers from various home locations within and without the united states, but during the civil war a lot of american units were sourced from immediate geographic locations at the state or sub-state level. this is because of the practicalities of recruitment. its a lot easier to recruit units from people in the same geographic area. you don't have to do so much moving people around, if you have enough recruits from Shitsville to make a whole company then cool, you guys are now the Shitsville Company. this was also true for the british during ww1 with the territorial forces, which are not the same as the american national guard but are generally similar in concept - so you ended up with whole units of guys from the same general area, and when these units got annihilated in industrial combat you'd end up with waves of death letters hitting town at the same time this is more common when you have a sudden mass call-up and need to streamline the induction of gobs of new boys to go fight. so, the real reason you don't really see this as often anymore is that it just isn't necessary or useful to put everybody from the block into the same regiment - it's got a little to do with mass casualties and nothing to do with sectionalism, because during the civil war the confederacy sourced most of its soldiers from an initial surge in volunteers, not desertions from the regular army - and then afterwards, by conscription Mr. Fall Down Terror fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Mar 17, 2022 |
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Boris Galerkin posted:So a major general is a general, but a sergeant major is a sergeant. Not confusing at all. The title in Russian is “general-major”.
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:this was still roughly true for the american military through ww2, due to activated national guard units. the 36th division was the Texas Division among other nicknames, because it was composed mostly of national guardsmen from texas (and oklahoma). similarly the 42nd was the Rainbow Division because it was oddly composed of national guard units from all over the country, swept up into one unit that stretched over the whole nation A lot of people don't really have a good concept of it but prior to the civil war most militaries recruited by unit and literally went through towns with a drummer and a sergeant to get people to sign up.
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Belan posted:And others are... uh.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:The title in Russian is “general-major”.
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Killer robot posted:Though it's still really popular for governments that want to use their militaries to suppress internal dissent or as a public babysitting service for restless young men. Sure it's got that problem in a real war, but in peacetime you make sure the units made up of more loyal regions/ethnicities get the good gear and training and the less loyal ones are stationed too far from home to easily desert. If some restless area needs a little "peacekeeping force" you can make sure it's made up of people who won't identify too much with the locals. occupying new jersey with the people who hate the state the most: new jerseyans
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Barrel Cactaur posted:A lot of people don't really have a good concept of it but prior to the civil war most militaries recruited by unit and literally went through towns with a drummer and a sergeant to get people to sign up. old school recruitment was wild, you could become a general if you brought enough guys to the recruitment office. during the civil war there was a guy named daniel sickles, a lawyer in new york city. dude was loaded. before the war he was involved in a scandal where his young wife was secretly carrying on with the district attourney for DC, philip key, the son of francis scott key. sickles shot key dead in front of the white house (the same place trump did his idiot bible photo op) and the trial was a sensation. sickles argued temporary insanity for the first time in american history and got acquitted anyway his reputation was dogshit after this. in order to rehab it, when the civil war kicked off sickles raised a lot of volunteer infantry regiments. "raised" meaning "paid for the uniforms, gear, and first months wages" of some volunteer infantry regiments. dude was loaded, like i said. it was common then for soldiers to vote for who they wanted their commander to be and ofc you're going to vote for the guy who bought you spiffy new poo poo so hooray, sickles is a colonel now because he's got so many dudes voting in his confidence sickles did a pretty ok job at being a colonel and due to his political likeability and good luck so far, eventually ascended to a divisional and then corps command, making him a general. he was the only general in the american army who hadn't gone to west point or had a military career prior to the war. all this came to a Problem during the battle of gettysburg, when for reasons known only to himself sickles decided that he didn't want to take a defensible position on the ridgelines south of the town like everyone else was doing and so he parked his corps (thousands of men) out in the middle of a wheat field. well they got shot to loving pieces and this was the notable event of the second day of the battle, almost costing the union their victory except for some stirring and immediate response to shore up the federal left flank (including the famous charge by col. chamberlain) anyway sickles got his leg shot off at gettysburg and spent the rest of his life arguing that no, standing around in the open with your thumb up your rear end is actually the smart and cool thing to do in that situation (it is not, everyone agrees about this) i'll shut the gently caress up about the civil war now but this guy is a real interesting character and he illustrates some of the, uh, irregularities of 19th century military organization https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7RlPGVAciw Mr. Fall Down Terror fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Mar 17, 2022 |
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As a Christian this pisses me off. You want to show love? Then start giving water, food, blankets, whatever the people need in that moment. There are a million ways you could be helping instead of just yelling at people to repent and it’ll magically get better.
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Nash posted:As a Christian this pisses me off. You want to show love? Then start giving water, food, blankets, whatever the people need in that moment. There are a million ways you could be helping instead of just yelling at people to repent and it’ll magically get better. And then they wonder why everyone doesn't like them.
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Fragrag posted:What about lieutenant corporal, where does that fit in As mentioned in a previous post, lieutenant is roughly second in command - so just below corporal.
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Right? Love thy neighbor is kind of a lost concept to lots of folks.
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aluminumonkey posted:And then they wonder why everyone doesn't like them. Not really, in my experience they use that as a badge of honor to justify their superiority complex. Also persecution complex.
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Pook Good Mook posted:And then Britain did the exact same loving thing in WW1. iirc it was even a custom to keep the windows shut fo the duration of the war if your son/husband was killed? These towns must have looked depressing.
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Fragrag posted:What about lieutenant corporal, where does that fit in Lieutenant Corporal was a rank obtained by only one soldier in the Korean War. Lieutenant Corporal Walter "Radar" O'Reily. However, since Lieutenant Corporal was an officer rank, his enlisted friends no longer liked him and no other officers took him seriously, so he got himself demoted back to Corporal in a few days. When asked about the rank names, an unnamed colonel simply described it as "horse hockey".
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