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Chalks
Sep 30, 2009

freeasinbeer posted:

Mauripol is probably gonna fall in the next few days, so there will be some Russian victories soon. But that’s really the only one I’m aware of.

There's been lots of talk about how gruelling urban warfare will be for the Russian army and Mauripol will be the first time they've attempted it. I assume that it will either take a long time to capture the city now that they've entered it, or all that talk was overblown since surely it's a good example of how bad a fortified city can get for them.

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BoldFace
Feb 28, 2011
https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1505155921969881103

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

I'm going to hold out any judgment on Mariupol until we see what happens with Kherson and Melitopol. If Kherson gets retaken and Melitopol stabilizes under Ukrainian hands, then the Russian western front for Mariupol is going to collapse.

BTW, it's definitely looking like all of The Worst People On The Internet are Russian stooges...
https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1504932595850698760?s=20&t=MCltepDf3bTj1Sefs8JwDA
https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1504937206586265603?s=20&t=MCltepDf3bTj1Sefs8JwDA
https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1504940779231395851?s=20&t=MCltepDf3bTj1Sefs8JwDA

edit:
My dictator buddy saying that "I'm not sick and unhealthy" has people asking a lot of questions already answered by my dictator buddy.

Young Freud fucked around with this message at 13:31 on Mar 19, 2022

Somaen
Nov 19, 2007

by vyelkin

Oh poo poo this means Putin died and they're choosing the successor in the background

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Totally normal things to say about someone in actually good health.

Those say "for capturing" not "for occupying".

Are they really legit? They look like someone just discovered the emboss filter in photoshop

Chalks
Sep 30, 2009


Were these comments prompted by a specific question?

Seth Pecksniff
May 27, 2004

can't believe shrek is fucking dead. rip to a real one.

Lukashenka really is the dumbest tinpot dictator.

His "Putin definitely isn't sick" shirt is raising a lot of questions already answered by his shirt.

FishBulbia
Dec 22, 2021

Chalks posted:

There's been lots of talk about how gruelling urban warfare will be for the Russian army and Mauripol will be the first time they've attempted it. I assume that it will either take a long time to capture the city now that they've entered it, or all that talk was overblown since surely it's a good example of how bad a fortified city can get for them.

Russia learned in Aleppo how to do urban warfare

same lesson the US learned in Raqqa

make a desert and call it peace

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

Trump posted:

Nice.

As was every other shipment from the countries that didn't commit until hostilities started. I don't believe for a second, no matter how poo poo condition the Bundeswehr is, that an organization with 180.000 people doesn't have anything to send over. It makes little sense to compare, but I'll do it anyway. Germany has barely given more aid than Denmark, which also have a military in shambles, and like 8% of the population Germany has.

Suddenly turning it into a case of weapons export is a bureaucratic maneuver to stall on giving more military aid.

I'll give you more fodder for that theory, Italy shipments of stingers got blocked by the Pisa airport crews protesting for providing weapons against the peaceful Russia

https://www.secoloditalia.it/2022/03/la-sinistra-scopre-che-litalia-manda-armi-e-non-farmaci-in-ucraina-e-sinfuria-lo-sciopero-di-pisa/

Anything more substantial than those packages is still in limbo since we cut our military spending to the bone and nobody has any idea if the kit to be sent away works and has a viable replacement.

I am not surprised at a state that made their economy and budgets holy to have a empty or unusable weapons stocks.

Aertuun
Dec 18, 2012

The little maps people have been producing have shown some back and forth over the past two/three weeks. However no substantial changes on where the fighting is happening.

I've tried to attach a map from the ISW showing Mar 2, and then another from Mar 18.

Only registered members can see post attachments!

Haramstufe Rot
Jun 24, 2016

When the German army says it can not send weapons, it is not meant in the way of not wanting to - it means there are literally no weapons to send.


Take a good look at the last 5 or 6 defense ministers in Germany, which by the way includes walking disasters like Ursula vdL, faildaughter Annegret KK and literal conman "Karl-Theodor Maria Nikolaus Johann Jacob Philipp Franz Joseph Sylvester Buhl-Freiherr von und zu Guttenberg" (real name) - and you'll see it is a position that no one in Germany wants (wanted?), certainly no one with competencies in the area of defense, and which has (had?) zero power and status.
The largest defense expense in the past decades were some rounds of McKinsey consultants that led to no change whatsoever. I am not kidding.


The only country in the world that Russia could successfully defeat right now is Germany.

Haramstufe Rot fucked around with this message at 14:24 on Mar 19, 2022

Tuna-Fish
Sep 13, 2017

Young Freud posted:

I'm going to hold out any judgment on Mariupol until we see what happens with Kherson and Melitopol. If Kherson gets retaken and Melitopol stabilizes under Ukrainian hands, then the Russian western front for Mariupol is going to collapse.

I don't think this is true at all. Russians took the port of Berdyansk intact, and their ships have been spotten entering the port. They can maintain the assault on Mariupol even if they lose both Kherson and Melitopol.

Kherson is strategically important because it controls two of the three bridges over the lower 300km of Dniepr. If Ukraine regains control over the bridges, it makes central south Ukraine unassailable, and frees a lot of troops for other fronts. It really has no direct impact on the battle for Mariupol.

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

Haramstufe Rot posted:

When the German army says it can not send weapons, it is not meant in the way of not wanting to - it means there are literally no weapons to send.


Take a good look at the last 5 or 6 defense ministers in Germany, which by the way includes walking disasters like Ursula vdL, faildaughter Annegret KK and literal conman "zu Guttenberg" - and you'll see it is a position that no one in Germany wants (wanted?), certainly no one with competencies in the area of defense, and which has (had?) zero power and status.
The largest defense expense in the past decades where some rounds of McKinsey consultants that led to no change whatsoever. I am not kidding.


The only country in the world that Russia could successfully defeat right now is Germany.

I think vDL was well respected (I mean obviously she was a rising star) but it's a big ship to try and turn around.

e: I have no idea why anyone is saying that Melitopol is in any risk at all

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound
Any Syrian troops would be combat veterans, probably moreso than any other soldiers Russia has access to.

Haramstufe Rot
Jun 24, 2016

Alchenar posted:

I think vDL was well respected (I mean obviously she was a rising star) but it's a big ship to try and turn around.


she was literally rotated from failure to failure as a minister (including in defense) before getting shipped off to Europe. So no.

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

Haramstufe Rot posted:

The only country in the world that Russia could successfully defeat right now is Germany.

I am not sure about that, a lot of euro countries had to sacrifice their armies to fit in their eurozone budgets. The Italian MBTs are currently at the original production tech level, compared to the various leo2 modernization programs. European countries have pretty much wasted their limited budgets to follow the US lead and fill theirselves with kit that will do poo poo against a near peer adversary.

Collateral
Feb 17, 2010

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Any Syrian troops would be combat veterans, probably moreso than any other soldiers Russia has access to.

Haven't "The Chechens" been brutalising their region and others for some time now?

Trump
Jul 16, 2003

Cute

Haramstufe Rot posted:

When the German army says it can not send weapons, it is not meant in the way of not wanting to - it means there are literally no weapons to send.

That's bullshit and you know it.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

Haramstufe Rot posted:

... and literal conman "Karl-Theodor Maria Nikolaus Johann Jacob Philipp Franz Joseph Sylvester Buhl-Freiherr von und zu Guttenberg" (real name)

Are you sure it wasn't Ostap Suleyman Berta Maria Bender Bey?

khwarezm
Oct 26, 2010

Deal with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igq2fqa7RY4&ab_channel=Task%26Purpose

I think this is an interesting video on the difficulties in talking about this war in the west considering that a lot of the info we are getting is skewed in favour of Ukraine.

sniper4625
Sep 26, 2009

Loyal to the hEnd
https://mobile.twitter.com/AFP/status/1505170089498267655

Even on fronts where things seem to be improving, prices are still being paid :(

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

Collateral posted:

Haven't "The Chechens" been brutalising their region and others for some time now?

Yeah but that's not combat that's just slaughter.

jaete
Jun 21, 2009


Nap Ghost
Hello friends, here's some Finnish guy talking about potential defence methods against Russia:

https://twitter.com/jmkorhonen/status/1504016326976843780

And here's a column by a Finnish author with Estonian background:

Sofi Oksanen: Putin ei ole hullu (in Finnish; also paywall)

Sofi Oksanen: Putin is not crazy (English, translated with Google + some corrections by me)

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



jaete posted:

Hello friends, here's some Finnish guy talking about potential defence methods against Russia:

https://twitter.com/jmkorhonen/status/1504016326976843780


There was that one prominent video a couple days ago of a tank getting absolutely shredded by a mine, and there's been some reporting from Ukrainian forces around Kyiv where they've directly talked about it.

I think maybe we haven't seen a ton because a lot are being laid around front lines that Russia has not actually breached as its offensive around there has stagnated.

with a rebel yell she QQd
Jan 18, 2007

Villain


sniper4625 posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/AFP/status/1505170089498267655

Even on fronts where things seem to be improving, prices are still being paid :(

Some Hungarian journalists were there yesterday. Initially reporting at least 100 dead. Today morning I think 40 dead was confirmed.
Hungarian article with some photos and video, in Hungarian :nws: bodybags https://telex.hu/kulfold/2022/03/18/mikolajiv-ukrajna-laktanya-elleni-raketatamadas

Zedsdeadbaby
Jun 14, 2008

You have been called out, in the ways of old.

Alchenar posted:

I think vDL was well respected (I mean obviously she was a rising star) but it's a big ship to try and turn around.

Woefully undermined German security to the point where its soldiers trained with wooden guns, and woefully undermined Europe's vaccination campaigns in their early stages. AstraZeneca had a legitimately effective vaccine whose credibility was needlessly undermined by vDL's antics, and potentially cost thousands of lives. I don't know where you got this 'well respected' thing from. As far as I'm concerned she's a loving clown.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Haramstufe Rot posted:

Karl-Theodor Maria Nikolaus Johann Jacob Philipp Franz Joseph Sylvester Buhl-Freiherr von und zu Guttenberg

Too long for the thread title.

Alchenar posted:

I think vDL was well respected (I mean obviously she was a rising star) but it's a big ship to try and turn around.

I have passing familiarity with German politics, but afaik she was loathed, but too expensive to get nuked proper, due to having an influential dad - and so she got to the defence minister, which is the fall guy seat of German government. The real story was that she’s been shrewd enough to propel herself upwards after that.

eke out posted:

I think maybe we haven't seen a ton because a lot are being laid around front lines that Russia has not actually breached as its offensive around there has stagnated.

I think this is the case, plus general fog of war. For instance, we know that Odessa beaches are full of anti-vehicle mines.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Happy Saturday. Fire up the IL76s we're going on putins wild ride

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

Trump posted:

That's bullshit and you know it.

Stop making GBS threads up the thread with your dumb refusal to face reality. If multiple people tell you you know poo poo, the correct response is to shut up, not to double down on stupid.

We had multiple posts explaining things to you, loving learn from it.

Yes, the Bundeswehr is in a lovely position and further help for Ukraine will have to come by buying new weapons to ship first. That's reality after multiple decades of mismanagement and corruption. Deal with it.

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Trump
Jul 16, 2003

Cute

Libluini posted:

Stop making GBS threads up the thread with your dumb refusal to face reality. If multiple people tell you you know poo poo, the correct response is to shut up, not to double down on stupid.

Multiple people can't be wrong, gotcha. I don't give a gently caress about your hurt feelings because I'm calling out the bullshit of Germanys lackluster support.

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Feliday Melody
May 8, 2021

eke out posted:

There was that one prominent video a couple days ago of a tank getting absolutely shredded by a mine, and there's been some reporting from Ukrainian forces around Kyiv where they've directly talked about it.

I think maybe we haven't seen a ton because a lot are being laid around front lines that Russia has not actually breached as its offensive around there has stagnated.

The Ukrainians probably expected that the actual "holding of the line" to happen far deeper into the country than it ended up.

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Haramstufe Rot posted:

"Karl-Theodor Maria Nikolaus Johann Jacob Philipp Franz Joseph Sylvester Buhl-Freiherr von und zu Guttenberg" (real name) -

That name sounds like something preceding a ridiculous military disaster in WW1

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

FishBulbia posted:

Russia learned in Aleppo how to do urban warfare

same lesson the US learned in Raqqa

make a desert and call it peace

Homs and Hama are probably better examples of that pattern of urban warfare. Aleppo was generally a lot less succesful, albeit probably substantially more russians experienced the latter than the previous two.

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

fatherboxx posted:

That name sounds like something preceding a ridiculous military disaster in WW1

luckily he fell to a scandal before he could lead us into disaster (he bought his degree, it turned out)

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Feliday Melody posted:

The Ukrainians probably expected that the actual "holding of the line" to happen far deeper into the country than it ended up.

It's been observed by multiple analysts that the Russians have generally penetrated no deeper than a truck can go on a single tank of fuel. They have been unable to establish any sort of forward supply bases to go any further.

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!

mobby_6kl posted:

Totally normal things to say about someone in actually good health.

Those say "for capturing" not "for occupying".

Are they really legit? They look like someone just discovered the emboss filter in photoshop

No, they are very clearly not legit. Yanina Sokolova never was a great example of journalistic integrity, she's more of a politically themed entertainer.

Ynglaur
Oct 9, 2013

The Malta Conference, anyone?

Son of Rodney posted:

This is more about literally having nothing to deliver that is not needed for our pathetic troop. She's saying other kinds of weapon exports need to be done over other channels as the army can't (or is unwilling) to take care of it, essentially making someone else responsible for it.

Remember the best they could offer was rusty and moldy strela rockets. it cannot be overstated in what kind of pathetic state the Bundeswehr is in.
How much of the recent change in Germany's attitude towards defense spending caused by the sudden realization that their military is so ill-prepared that, were something like the Russian invasion of Ukraine happen to them, they would be conquered in far shorter order? Is the sentiment shared among the population or is it found more in the political leadership? I'm just curious.

Antigravitas posted:

...you can't load McKinsey contractors into Javelin tubes (as great as that would be).
Okay, I have to ask. Did the Bundeswehr really spend a bunch of defense dollars on McKinsey? I'm a former officer in combat arms, have fought, and worked for a Big 4, but I wouldn't hire those types of consultants for defense consulting. There are companies I could see doing consulting work with because they have specialists in that type of consulting, but McKinsey?

Griefor
Jun 11, 2009

This has the same energy as someone getting a tattoo commemorating their team's league victory before the season's end only to have them do a massive fumble over the last few matches

Just Another Lurker
May 1, 2009

Deteriorata posted:

It's been observed by multiple analysts that the Russians have generally penetrated no deeper than a truck can go on a single tank of fuel. They have been unable to establish any sort of forward supply bases to go any further.

The problem is if they just keep doing that ad infinitum... need to blow up more supply trucks. :ohdear:

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Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009

Haramstufe Rot posted:

Karl-Theodor Maria Nikolaus Johann Jacob Philipp Franz Joseph Sylvester Buhl-Freiherr von und zu Guttenberg

To top it off he's married to a Bismarck.

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