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InfiniteZero
Sep 11, 2004

PINK GUITAR FIRE ROBOT

College Slice
If "Backdoor Socialism" isn't a category on PornHub, it really should be.

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Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

Fallen Rib

InfiniteZero posted:

If "Backdoor Socialism" isn't a category on PornHub, it really should be.

From the The beaverton

"Conservatives warn Liberal-NDP deal is “backdoor socialism”, “handjob democracy” and “salad-tossing representation”

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009

Madkal posted:

From the The beaverton

"Conservatives warn Liberal-NDP deal is “backdoor socialism”, “handjob democracy” and “salad-tossing representation”

You put that up so fast I have to wonder if you wrote it. :thunk:

Legit Businessman
Sep 2, 2007


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Legit Businessman fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Sep 10, 2022

Alctel
Jan 16, 2004

I love snails


Would have preferred further concrete environmental action but maybe this will help people learn how our government works?

You'd think people in BC would be used to it, we had a similar government a couple years ago between the NDP and the greens

InfiniteZero
Sep 11, 2004

PINK GUITAR FIRE ROBOT

College Slice
Pierre Poliviere always looks (and talks) like some sort of experimental satire AI that would run on Adult Swim at 3am. I can't look at him and have it register that he's an actual human.

Another Bill
Sep 27, 2018

I stumbled ass-backwards into a comfortable, easy life for reasons beyond my comprehension and now I think I'm better than you for it.

InfiniteZero posted:

Pierre Poliviere always looks (and talks) like some sort of experimental satire AI that would run on Adult Swim at 3am. I can't look at him and have it register that he's an actual human.

I know what you mean, he's like a mirror universe Joe Pera.

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

Maybe I'm just getting lucky but despite the dumbass Tories lifting restrictions most people in Hali are keeping their masks. I work in a hospital so I can't stop wearing one even if I wanted to (I don't) but I was really worried about how the rest of the city would react.

That said an anti-mask/vaccine convoy of Honda Civics rolled by my place on Saturday so not filled with optimism

UnknownMercenary
Nov 1, 2011

I LIKE IT
WAY WAY TOO LOUD


Pretty much everybody I saw who came in maskless today was a middle aged white guy in a safety vest, so about what I expected.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Well at least there seems to be an actual commitment to national dental? Though it being means tested is moronic, just make it universal.

quote:

According to a release from the Prime Minister's Office detailing the grounds of the agreement, the proposed dental program would start with those under 12 years old in 2022, then expand to under-18-year-olds, seniors and persons living with a disability in 2023. Full implementation would be rolled out in 2025.

The dental program, a key plank of the NDP's past two campaign platforms, would be restricted to families with an income of less than $90,000 annually, with no co-pays for anyone under $70,000 annually in income, said the government.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeu-jagmeet-singh-deal-government-1.6393021

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




Its the Liberals, they means test everything. Its kind of their thing.

Its still better than nothing though and at least gets a foot in the door for vision care next.

Indolent Bastard
Oct 26, 2007

I WON THIS AMAZING AVATAR! I'M A WINNER! WOOOOO!

UnknownMercenary posted:

Pretty much everybody I saw who came in maskless today was a middle aged white guy in a safety vest, so about what I expected.

The majority of the gym was unmasked today. Only a few people aged 50+ seemed to have one on (and me) yet some of those were still wearing them down at their chin.

You don't have to have it on all, you can skip the half assed attempt dude.

So many fit, strong, healthy people that are willing to risk their lung capacity for freedom (maybe, its for freedom. I think?)

Indolent Bastard fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Mar 22, 2022

mom and dad fight a lot
Sep 21, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 22 days!
I just straight up bought some cheap equipment and changed my routine so I wouldn't ever have to visit a gym again.


Just kidding, I don't exercise.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


Furnaceface posted:

Its the Liberals, they means test everything. Its kind of their thing.

Its still better than nothing though and at least gets a foot in the door for vision care next.

Woah, you get luxury bones covered and NOW you want luxury organs taken care of, too?

You socialists won't be happy until people aren't forced to work at abusive jobs they don't want just to stay alive. Terrible.

Syfe
Jun 12, 2006


Turns out the Alberta War Room, is not a public entity. No FOI requests can touch it.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-energy-war-room-immune-from-freedom-of-information-law-rules-adjudicator-1.6392887

quote:

An adjudicator's ruling means the public won't have access to information about what's going on inside Alberta's government-funded oil and gas war room.

In a decision released Monday, adjudicator Catherine Tully said the Canadian Energy Centre isn't subject to provincial freedom of information legislation.

The legislature hasn't designated the government-created corporation as a "public body," groups which are compelled to respond to freedom of information (FOI) requests, Tully said.

The decision was a disappointment, but not a surprise, to Sean Holman, a University of Victoria professor of environmental and climate journalism and FOI expert.

"It is engaged in an activity that is of high public interest," Holman said of the centre on Monday. "The propagandizing by the government on the part of the oil and gas industry is something that voters should have a right to know about."

Canadian Energy Centre (CEC) CEO Tom Olsen said in an email his organization is subject to "vigorous annual audits" by the province's auditor general.

"The CEC will continue to proudly stand up for responsibly developed Canadian energy and the benefits it provides to Canada, North America, and the World," Olsen said.

Although the United Conservative Party government created the CEC as a private corporation, the energy minister is the sole voting shareholder. Its board of directors consists of three Alberta government ministers. The CEC is funded by Alberta's industrial carbon tax, the Technology, Innovation and Emissions Reduction (TIER) fund.

When the government incorporated the CEC in late 2019, ministers said it shouldn't be subject to FOI requests, to avoid information getting into the hands of those who seek to malign Alberta's oil and gas.

bub spank
Feb 1, 2005

the THRILL
I don't know why but this is way funnier in light of the way the CPC is framing this as some kind of nefarious backroom deal:

https://twitter.com/KiavashNajafi/status/1506328375077519362

Also, kids getting access to dental care owns.

MNIMWA
Dec 1, 2014

That's... kinda sweet actually. Singh is a really likeable guy

Alctel
Jan 16, 2004

I love snails


The fed liberals are actually following through on a good thing (closing open pen salmon farming)

You'll never guess who wrote a letter against it!*

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6388341

*Actually you probably will

This was the kicker for me

quote:

The letter also says eliminating salmon farm licences "would fly in the face" of commitments by the federal and provincial governments to pursue the intentions of the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, considering some First Nations are exploring salmon farming.

What makes it even more annoying is that most NDP MLAs are actually against open pen farming but Premiere Boomer strikes again

Another Dirty Dish
Oct 8, 2009

:argh:

Powershift posted:

Woah, you get luxury bones covered and NOW you want luxury organs taken care of, too?

On a slightly related note, firefighters in Nova Scotia now have medical coverage for cancer in a few additional luxury organs:

“The provincial government says today it is acting on its commitment to increase presumptive coverage to 19 cancers from six and is also covering heart attacks that occur within 24 hours of an emergency call.

(…)The cancers being added are esophageal, lung, testicular, ureter, breast, multiple myeloma, prostate, skin, ovarian, cervical, penile, thyroid and pancreatic. There is currently coverage for bladder, brain, colorectal and kidney cancer, as well as leukemia and non-Hodgkin lymphoma.”

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




Someone please tell Horgan that wading into giant bodies of poop and disease should be left to Conservatives.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
Jim Watson is banging his "bring federal public servants back downtown to save businesses" drum again.

https://twitter.com/ctvottawa/status/1506423326398459904

I assume the folks in the replies are all public servants very much on the "no" train (as opposed to the O-Train which is sometimes the no-train)

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Chillyrabbit posted:

So 20 years of waving pharmacare and dental care at us then? Is this the new "vote for us" meme now that childcare is done

it's that or pretend they're going to change how hosed fptp elections are, and they've already run that one into the ground

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Yinlock posted:

it's that or pretend they're going to change how hosed fptp elections are, and they've already run that one into the ground

That one only works when the Conservatives are in power

Maneck
Sep 11, 2011

bub spank posted:

I don't know why but this is way funnier in light of the way the CPC is framing this as some kind of nefarious backroom deal:

https://twitter.com/KiavashNajafi/status/1506328375077519362

Also, kids getting access to dental care owns.

The conservatives are going to find themselves hemmed in. While they were engaged in internecine fighting over who was sufficiently cheering a host of braying jackasses (led by a guy who believes in the superiority of certain bloodlines), the left wing parties got together. And they actually did something. What they did will be a huge help, to a significant number of Canadians, including a huge chunk of the conservative base.

I thought Jagmeet was crazy to give the Liberals four years, but I'm coming around to it being a good way to make the best of a bad situation. NDP finances are a disaster and they cannot afford to run a proper election campaign. They need to play for time. With this deal, the next election will be around the same time people start benefitting from this program, and the NDP can point to the huge demands the Liberals made to get this passed and claim full credit.

Blood Boils
Dec 27, 2006

Its not an S, on my planet it means QUIPS

Maneck posted:

The conservatives are going to find themselves hemmed in. While they were engaged in internecine fighting over who was sufficiently cheering a host of braying jackasses (led by a guy who believes in the superiority of certain bloodlines), the left wing parties got together. And they actually did something. What they did will be a huge help, to a significant number of Canadians, including a huge chunk of the conservative base.

I thought Jagmeet was crazy to give the Liberals four years, but I'm coming around to it being a good way to make the best of a bad situation. NDP finances are a disaster and they cannot afford to run a proper election campaign. They need to play for time. With this deal, the next election will be around the same time people start benefitting from this program, and the NDP can point to the huge demands the Liberals made to get this passed and claim full credit.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Also the libs are incredibly centrist, and most of the dippers are too, "left" c'mon now.

Enjoy the rightists melting down, but don't get your hopes up and keep an eye on those promises.

Femtosecond
Aug 2, 2003

Are NDP finances actually a disaster? I feel like this is a meme from the post Mulcair poo poo show era that continues to be repeated but just prior to the last election the NDP was in the black.

Now of course, there was just an election, and they would have spent a lot, which needs to be repaid, but I don't get the sense that the NDP is in as bad of a situation as they were just after Mulcair hosed up. They made some (extremely) mild gains and I don't think supporters are that dispirited so as to cancel their monthly donations.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
SRW Fanatic




Libs gonna Lib. Get excited about this but just a reminder that the Libs gonna Lib.

Lassitude
Oct 21, 2003

I wouldn't be surprised if they pull a Bismarck and actually go through with plans for dental/pharma care to an extent (half-assed, of course) if only so they can take credit for them while removing these rounds from the NDP's magazine. People do genuinely want programs like those.

UnknownMercenary
Nov 1, 2011

I LIKE IT
WAY WAY TOO LOUD


Please Justin Trudeau give me dental and pharma to own the NDP.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.

HackensackBackpack posted:

We haven't had an actual coalition in a long time, not since WW1, if I'm remembering right. This is very much not a coalition under the WPS, it's a supply and confidence agreement. The Liberals are not offering any cabinet posts to New Democrats, the NDP is simply formally agreeing to vote in favour of supply and confidence motions (budgets, etc.) to effectively keep the Liberal government in power.

...other stuff...

Exactly. I think it's fair to say that most people do not realize how much of our government is run on "tradition" and "rules" inherited from Westminster, and nothing to do with laws at all. Parties themselves are not a 'real' thing defined by law. Like, the official opposition getting paid a certain salary and living in Stornoway is just because parliament decided that's how they would do it and they could change that if they really wanted to.
Like you said, it's perhaps a bit pedantic, but there's no vote for the government, for a party, for the prime minister, or anything other than your single representative MP. Unless I'm mistaken, legally, the Prime Minister could be some random unelected person who isn't even a member of a party (because parties aren't "real") as long as they could hold confidence.

I mean, in the end, coalition government or supply and confidence agreement have no official outline.
Can a government be formed that can hold confidence? That's the only question. If some theoretical party held 49% of the seats and every other seat was an independent, the independents could make an agreement to make one of them PM and form government together if they could somehow manage that and that would be totally fine and legal.
There is nothing shady about making deals to form or sustain a government.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

HackensackBackpack posted:

Jim Watson is banging his "bring federal public servants back downtown to save businesses" drum again.

https://twitter.com/ctvottawa/status/1506423326398459904

I assume the folks in the replies are all public servants very much on the "no" train (as opposed to the O-Train which is sometimes the no-train)

I don't think the feds are going to be able to put the genie back in the bottle on WFH for their staff.

The flip from pre-pandemic to now is wild to see with friends I have who work for the feds. When the pandemic hit, there were offices where you didn't get laptops and there was no wifi. You could only log into the VPN at like 7pm because it was so overloaded. The feds have made an enormous investment in technology, workers who are very routine-oriented have completely changed their lives, and I just don't see a world where this reverses anytime soon. And that's to say nothing of the office space the feds have let go during the pandemic.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

Fidelitious posted:

Exactly. I think it's fair to say that most people do not realize how much of our government is run on "tradition" and "rules" inherited from Westminster, and nothing to do with laws at all.

Traditions do play a big role and traditions can and do change. For example, it used to be tradition that if an MP became a cabinet minister, they would immediately resign and run in a byelection because they needed to see if their constituents wanted a cabinet minister as a representative. This proved to be largely redundant and unsustainable, so they stopped doing it, but it was a thing that parliamentarians used to do.

The PM being the leader of the party with the most seats is a tradition. When Stephen Harper became PM in 2006, Paul Martin could have made the case that he still had confidence and it may have even briefly worked, but it's also been tradition that if the PM's party doesn't win a plurality of seats, the PM resigns. It's an interesting thing to consider, particularly for the Conservatives, because if they only manage a slim minority, Justin Trudeau (provided he's still PM in 2025) could argue that he still has the House's confidence. It would be a huge kerfuffle and I don't think many Canadians would actually go for it, given the aforementioned tradition of resigning after failing to secure a plurality of seats, but it wouldn't be illegal.

TheCenturion
May 3, 2013
HI I LIKE TO GIVE ADVICE ON RELATIONSHIPS
"It's not fair that you get to form a coalition, because nobody will work with us! MOM, MAKE THEM PLAY WITH ME!"

I'm still pissed off that back in the Harper days when this was being batted around, CBC was saying things like 'Is this legal? Call in and tell us your opinion." Who the hell cares what Bob from Kenora's opinion is? Tell us if it's legal or not.

Oxyclean
Sep 23, 2007


HackensackBackpack posted:

Jim Watson is banging his "bring federal public servants back downtown to save businesses" drum again.

https://twitter.com/ctvottawa/status/1506423326398459904

I assume the folks in the replies are all public servants very much on the "no" train (as opposed to the O-Train which is sometimes the no-train)

you know what would also save businesses? dense mixed usage zoning.

like it's really laffo that businesses live or die purely on the ability to find excuses to drag workers to a particular part of town. great society we've built.

tagesschau
Sep 1, 2006
Guten Abend, meine Damen und Herren.

Jordan7hm posted:

I don't think the feds are going to be able to put the genie back in the bottle on WFH for their staff.

The flip from pre-pandemic to now is wild to see with friends I have who work for the feds. When the pandemic hit, there were offices where you didn't get laptops and there was no wifi. You could only log into the VPN at like 7pm because it was so overloaded. The feds have made an enormous investment in technology, workers who are very routine-oriented have completely changed their lives, and I just don't see a world where this reverses anytime soon. And that's to say nothing of the office space the feds have let go during the pandemic.

The fact that an office successfully pivoted after March 2020 to enable people to work from home is completely orthogonal to whether management wants to permit people to continue working from home.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

tagesschau posted:

The fact that an office successfully pivoted after March 2020 to enable people to work from home is completely orthogonal to whether management wants to permit people to continue working from home.

The unions in GC are pretty strong and forcing people back to the office is going to be a major challenge. This is not an environment with leaders willing to challenge individuals who run to their union when they are put out.

keep it down up there!
Jun 22, 2006

How's it goin' eh?

After 2 years wfh I can confidently say I will never accept a job in the office again unless I'm absolutely desperate.

Alctel
Jan 16, 2004

I love snails


The BC Gov union is loving useless

We don't even get 100% paid sick leave (it's paid at 80%) despite literally being mandated by law to have a minimum 5 days.

And everyone is being forced back to the office at the start of April

apatheticman
May 13, 2003

Wedge Regret
https://twitter.com/elisevonscheel/status/1506665023132815366

Who could have foreseen this happening?

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Sashimi
Dec 26, 2008


College Slice

Oxyclean posted:

you know what would also save businesses? dense mixed usage zoning.

like it's really laffo that businesses live or die purely on the ability to find excuses to drag workers to a particular part of town. great society we've built.
When I lived in small cities in Japan I absolutely loved having everything I could possibly need within walking or cycling distance from my apartment. My workplaces, groceries, transit, bars and restaurants, banks, clinics, pharmacies, all at worst a 15 minute bike ride from my place. Most things were more like a 5-10 minute walk.

Sadly as we know zoning like this is impossible in North America currently, and will need a vast cultural change to get thousands of municipalities to change the way they build cities.

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