|
cinci zoo sniper posted:
Boat posting isn't super important for this war so far but it's led to some of the more  moments, and it's the chance of those that makes me check my boat twitter dudes at least once a day.If anyone wants an overview of what's happened militarily in that arena so far one of em published an article today https://twitter.com/KaptainLOMA/status/1509586037516947458?s=20&t=eBK3dO1vQe45DmDcamM8uA Link: https://marineschepen.nl/nieuws/Schiet-de-Zwarte-Zee-Vloot-tekort-310322.html It's a good quick read. The author/twitter guy bio: Former officer of the Belgian Navy and current naval analyst studying and reporting on the Russian Navy
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 20:35
|
|
@ everything in this post.
|
|
| # ? Jun 4, 2024 22:21 |
|
|
MikeC posted:But if the fighting is sustained, the autoloader wins in the long run. ...depending on where the shells being selected by the gunner are positioned in the autoloader carousel. Also only until said carousel is out of readied shells of that type, at which point manual loading is required which is extremely slow.
|
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 20:38
|
|
|
CommieGIR posted:Makes me wonder if the've even disembarked these guys at all in the past few weeks. Keeping troops cramped up on landing ships drives them nuts and tires them out. Comedy option: the vessels land and the troops spill out but they're all already dead, having starved to death weeks earlier.
|
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 20:40
|
|
|
I don't give a gently caress if sanctions make the elite rally around Putin. They were already at best guilty of aiding and abetting him. Sanctions will make it harder for Russia to continue the war and replace lost equipment and that in itself is more than enough reason to keep it up.
|
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 20:42
|
|
|
Feel good post: Ukrainian ambassador to the UN continues to find diplomatic ways to  at the Russians https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1509550947965542418?s=20&t=NMd-9Sb_KolukLwYgWPBRA Including making sure it was an English copy so everyone could get the barb. It delights me.
|
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 20:46
|
|
|
CommieGIR posted:Makes me wonder if the've even disembarked these guys at all in the past few weeks. Keeping troops cramped up on landing ships drives them nuts and tires them out. I think some of them were disembarked in Sevastopol’ to stretch legs, and some were definitely sent into Mariupol’ via the formation that got hit in Berdyansk.
|
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 20:49
|
|
|
Herstory Begins Now posted:Man, I wouldn't have guessed that it would be that much higher, but that low is surprising. That's pretty much margin of error off of zero They’re fighting against 70+ years of the best American Cold War propaganda had to offer, on its biggest and longest consumer audience: the Boomers.
|
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 20:50
|
|
|
MikeC posted:It would be borderline suicide to land right now and it doesn't match their objective of securing the Donbas. More likely a demonstration to force the Ukrainians to keep forces in the south and prevent them from reinforcing the east. Just curious how he knows they are loaded and if there is information on which units are on those landing vessels. Checking the freeboard of the ship would be the easiest way to see if the ship is loaded, assuming you can get a decent side view of them, but this only tells you that the ship is loaded with SOMETHING. Hypothetically if you got all your naval infantry killed in, say, Mariupol, but you wanted to create a landing-force-in-being to tie up Ukrainian forces in Odessa you could fill the landing ships full of sandbags painted in camo with styrofoam helmets strapped on or similar ballast to load it down. Would be a clever, if fuel-expensive way of tying down much-needed Ukrainian forces if you don't have enough troops to actually make a landing.
|
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 20:55
|
|
|
Tomn posted:Checking the freeboard of the ship would be the easiest way to see if the ship is loaded, assuming you can get a decent side view of them, but this only tells you that the ship is loaded with SOMETHING. Hypothetically if you got all your naval infantry killed in, say, Mariupol, but you wanted to create a landing-force-in-being to tie up Ukrainian forces in Odessa you could fill the landing ships full of sandbags painted in camo with styrofoam helmets strapped on or similar ballast to load it down. Would be a clever, if fuel-expensive way of tying down much-needed Ukrainian forces if you don't have enough troops to actually make a landing. Good idea for a competent and sane military, like those inflatable tanks and fake towns Britain used to screw with the Luftwaffe in WW2. But of course this is 2022's Russian military, so I'm going to bet the ship is loaded more like what another poster suggested: all the vehicles and ammo for an amphibious landing, and a pile of literal skeletons who no one has supplied or thought to check on since February 24th.
|
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 20:59
|
|
|
Tomn posted:Checking the freeboard of the ship would be the easiest way to see if the ship is loaded, assuming you can get a decent side view of them, but this only tells you that the ship is loaded with SOMETHING. Hypothetically if you got all your naval infantry killed in, say, Mariupol, but you wanted to create a landing-force-in-being to tie up Ukrainian forces in Odessa you could fill the landing ships full of sandbags painted in camo with styrofoam helmets strapped on or similar ballast to load it down. Would be a clever, if fuel-expensive way of tying down much-needed Ukrainian forces if you don't have enough troops to actually make a landing. Which is why we must finally sink this junk asap to free up resources for defense elsewhere
|
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 21:00
|
|
|
Orthanc6 posted:Good idea for a competent and sane military, like those inflatable tanks and fake towns Britain used to screw with the Luftwaffe in WW2. ...But on the papers presented to Putin those skeletons are already approaching Kyiv from South, and are about to complete the encirclement any day now!
|
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 21:02
|
|
|
Cross posting and I regret nothing There's been some really good interviews with Ukrainian fighter pilots - link to a personal favorite, I think it was posted already: https://coffeeordie.com/ukrainian-mig-29-pilot-interview/ Hmm a Mig-29. And he talks about how low they fly to avoid detection. Well a video just popped up on my Ukraine feed https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1509622003711500288?t=Fgk-pDpoY60094tW3TtuGQ&s=19 Pretty...pretty loving low 
|
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 21:06
|
|
|
When the offshore Russians start loading inflatable boats with riot police to storm the Odesa shore first, then you'll know the balloon has gone up.
|
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 21:07
|
|
|
Freudian slippers posted:I don't give a gently caress if sanctions make the elite rally around Putin. For all their supposed opposition they didn't do much if anything to stop his excesses and they were only ever in it for the money. As the article notes too its still very early on in the sanctions so there really isn't a tremendous amount of issues yet. If the sanctions continue towards the end of the year at minimum (dunno if they will but I suspect so) I wouldn't be surprised if a whole lot of these elite Richie Rich's suddenly turn out to be fair weather friends and change their position. Not that it'll matter. Going by the article it sounds like Putin never was going to listen to them anyhow. And yeah at least some of the sanctions will have to be kept up for a long long time to ham string any rearmament process they're going to attempt after this. I actually don't much care if clothes or consumer electronics are sanctioned or not, letting the average Russian Joe Vodka have their PS5 and Victoria's Secret isn't a concern at all, but tech and materials that are used by their military should be as hard to get as possible for a good long time after this.
|
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 21:09
|
|
|
I'm hearing some very interesting hot takes from more Russian friendly (but non-Russian) media. Some points they're making: -The Russian military operation has achieved all of its tactical objectives- disabling most of the mobility and offensive capability of the Ukrainian military thus preventing them from being able to launch offensive operations into contested seized territories. (Because they lack combined arms (air support/artillery) so they can't assault dug in positions anymore). -That Donetsk and Luhansk were the goals all along and Russia has achieved this so they're gonna push to force Ukraine to recognize it while having no military means to retake those places. -Western support for Ukraine isn't actually materializing and Ukraine is mostly operating on weaponry that was already delivered pre-invasion. In other words, all those claims of UK, USA etc sending X weaponry to Ukraine is not really happening and is just posturing to show the public they're doing something about this without really doing anything because it would piss off Russia. In other words the Ukranians have run out of ATGMs, heavy artillery and SAMs. Now I want to add I do not want any of this to be true. But It does make you wonder if the Ukrainians are getting the help they need, and quickly enough for it to matter in the overall conflict. All the territory they're taking back around Kiev sounds like it's happening because the Russians are withdrawing rather than contesting those territories.
|
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 21:12
|
|
|
Kraftwerk posted:I'm hearing some very interesting hot takes from more Russian friendly (but non-Russian) media. Why would you be taking Russia-friendly sources seriously? They haven't been particularly accurate about much of anything thus far.
|
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 21:13
|
|
|
Kraftwerk posted:I'm hearing some very interesting hot takes from more Russian friendly (but non-Russian) media. The US not using an opportunity to flood a warzone with weapons is a bold claim regardless of source.
|
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 21:15
|
|
|
Kraftwerk posted:I'm hearing some very interesting hot takes from more Russian friendly (but non-Russian) media. - But they didn't do any of that? In fact Ukraine remains very mobile and offensively capable. - Man, nobody tell them that the Ukrainians are already encroaching LNR/DNR territory - Yeah that last point is blatantly untrue even with the  that Germany and the UK have thrown around to try to garner attention.
|
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 21:15
|
|
|
Russian Friendly sources is some absolutely massive COPE right now, so they could have value as humor at least. What is the latest Tankie/ chud take? Is Russia still bluffing and the Bear will soon awaken in all its fury?
|
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 21:16
|
|
|
Kraftwerk posted:Now I want to add I do not want any of this to be true. But It does make you wonder if the Ukrainians are getting the help they need, and quickly enough for it to matter in the overall conflict. All the territory they're taking back around Kiev sounds like it's happening because the Russians are withdrawing rather than contesting those territories. what about russia's actions make it seem reasonable russia would withdraw from conquered territory that wasn't actually being contested?
|
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 21:17
|
|
|
I have no idea if this was posted before nms https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1509485974971166731
|
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 21:17
|
|
|
Well that's what the other side is saying. I just wanted a fact check in this thread because more than anything I want to see the Russians lose somewhere and decisively.
|
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 21:17
|
|
|
Kraftwerk posted:Well that's what the other side is saying. I just wanted a fact check in this thread because more than anything I want to see the Russians lose somewhere and decisively. there is no reason russia would be withdrawing if it wasn't going to get pushed out of that area if it didn't
|
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 21:18
|
|
|
Kraftwerk posted:I'm hearing some very interesting hot takes from more Russian friendly (but non-Russian) media. actually not gonna address this because other people are. I will add this - The Russians appear to be abandoning their foothold north of the Dnprio, AKA the only way they were going to be able to move on Odesa in any reasonable fashion AKA giving up their only shot at shutting Ukraine off from ports entirely. https://twitter.com/mhmck/status/1509622722976006151?s=20&t=NMd-9Sb_KolukLwYgWPBRA Does this seem like a military that's confident it's opponent is running out of offensive power to you? And even if Ukraine *was* running out of offensive power reducing the number of fronts they're fighting on by pulling troops back allows Ukraine to move their forces to the same places Russia is moving theirs. And Ukraine can move them FASTER because they have interior lines. In other words you need less copium addicted sources.
|
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 21:19
|
|
|
Kraftwerk posted:Well that's what the other side is saying. I just wanted a fact check in this thread because more than anything I want to see the Russians lose somewhere and decisively. The issue is they're being rolled up slowly compared to the start of the invasion, but Ukraine is taking more territory than they're losing excluding Kiev. Most of what I'm seeing is infantry action in villages in the countryside so it's not super dramatic. https://liveuamap.com/ is a good way to keep track of the little towns that are being liberated.
|
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 21:21
|
|
|
Kraftwerk posted:Well that's what the other side is saying. I just wanted a fact check in this thread because more than anything I want to see the Russians lose somewhere and decisively. The Russians are losing ground northwest of Kyiv, east of Kyiv, around Chernihiv, the siege of Sumy has been broken, and Ukrainian troops are mopping up in Kerson oblast west of the Dnieper in the last two days. They've been losing lots of ground all over the place. The only place they haven't has been in the Donbas, where it remains mostly a stalemate.
|
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 21:21
|
|
|
Deteriorata posted:The Russians are losing ground northwest of Kyiv, east of Kyiv, around Chernihiv, the siege of Sumy has been broken, and Ukrainian troops are mopping up in Kerson oblast west of the Dnieper in the last two days. It's all part of an ingenous trap! RUSSIA WILL WIN IT'S WAR AGAINST INTERNATIONAL JEW-UUUUHH, NAZIS AND GLOBALISTS  If Russia is winning the war then their propaganda is so good at misdirection they have convinced themselves they are losing TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Mar 31, 2022 |
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 21:23
|
|
|
Tomn posted:Checking the freeboard of the ship would be the easiest way to see if the ship is loaded, assuming you can get a decent side view of them, but this only tells you that the ship is loaded with SOMETHING. Hypothetically if you got all your naval infantry killed in, say, Mariupol, but you wanted to create a landing-force-in-being to tie up Ukrainian forces in Odessa you could fill the landing ships full of sandbags painted in camo with styrofoam helmets strapped on or similar ballast to load it down. Would be a clever, if fuel-expensive way of tying down much-needed Ukrainian forces if you don't have enough troops to actually make a landing. This is a gross over estimation of their tactical acumen as vividly demonstrated by Russia during their invasion of Ukraine. However if you are saying that they are actually going to attempt an amphibious assault with a hold full of sandbags wearing helmets, then I 100% believe this will happen.
|
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 21:26
|
|
|
If nothing else Ukraine hasn't really been quiet about its requests for more stuff. If they hadn't gotten anything I'm fairly sure it wouldn't be a secret
|
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 21:27
|
|
|
KitConstantine posted:Cross posting and I regret nothing Jesus I was thinking they were talking at flying at like 1500-2500 meters. That seems sub 1000. No wonder why US pilots and the Ukrainians themselves say they do some crazy stuff. Especially at that speed, that is at least 275 knots. There are some US aircraft that can do that, most notably the B-1B but it has specialized systems to allow them to fly like that even still it is incredible dangerous. On a MiG-29 that is almost suicidal.
|
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 21:28
|
|
|
I think that Russian adherents generally seem to be holding an idea that somehow if they are able to "achieve their true objectives" then they will have won and the war will be over. But the Ukrainians basically see this whole conflict as the continuation of a war they've been fighting for eight years now. The Russians are retreating from Kyiv, they're still struggling to seize Donbas, the Belarusians aren't reinforcing them, their military and economy is in tatters, Ukrainian troops are training and redeploying and western arms continue to pour into the country. Every week it appears that the Ukrainian position is strengthened. I don't think this war is particularly close to being over.
|
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 21:30
|
|
|
Kraftwerk posted:Well that's what the other side is saying. I just wanted a fact check in this thread because more than anything I want to see the Russians lose somewhere and decisively. D/L NR were cearly always the most they could realistically get away with. But at this point nobody is buying that everything else was a diversion, you don't just send your paratroopers on sucidie missions as a distraction. Obviously they inflicted damage on the Ukrainian military but I don't see how they can spin this as denazification or demilitarization which is what they were claiming this whole time. They shot down some planes but it's not like Ukraine would've been free to use them near the border with all the SAMs on the other side anyway. Plus those Polish Migs will show up sooner or later. At the same time they're withdrawing in many places, which is dumb if they could've used those positions in negotiations to get recognition for their stupid republics. As for wester weapons, clearly there's some hesitation about the actual heavyweight poo poo like the plans and SAMs but it seems that ATGM and other lighter supplies are making it through. Hard to say what exactly is arraving obviously.
|
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 21:31
|
|
|
TulliusCicero posted:What is the latest Tankie/ chud take? Mr. Apollo fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Mar 31, 2022 |
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 21:32
|
|
|
Mr. Apollo posted:Russia will come out of this stronger than ever and will form a new anti-imperialist axis with China, North Korea, Iran, and Venezuela that will be able to counter NATO and The West. The new axis will liberate oppressed minorities from their capitalist masters like how Russia is liberating the Russian minorities in Ukraine. Don't forget Brazil and South Africa. The petrodollar's days are over! (Meanwhile in reality those countries trade quite a bit with China, Germany, and the United States, and have no interest in creating a USSR 2.0). Kaal fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Mar 31, 2022 |
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 21:34
|
|
|
Djarum posted:Jesus I was thinking they were talking at flying at like 1500-2500 meters. That seems sub 1000. No wonder why US pilots and the Ukrainians themselves say they do some crazy stuff. Especially at that speed, that is at least 275 knots. 1500m wouldn't be very low at all, that's like a few hundred max. Although it does climb at the end there so maybe it was after takeoff or something 
|
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 21:35
|
|
Kraftwerk posted:I'm hearing some very interesting hot takes from more Russian friendly (but non-Russian) media. Regardless of second-guessing, what are these Russia-friendly sources? Having the source material and context for discussion would help.
|
|
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 21:38
|
|
|
mobby_6kl posted:1500m wouldn't be very low at all, that's like a few hundred max. Although it does climb at the end there so maybe it was after takeoff or something The Swedish airforce practise low level flying at 60 meters, which is about twice as high as during the cold war, when they accepted some pretty harrowing losses, so I assume the Ukranians fly far lowe than a 1000 m in actual combat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxASTKno0gg
|
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 21:41
|
|
|
KitConstantine posted:Cross posting and I regret nothing Each time I read about those fighter pilots I think it's criminal that we haven't been sending them more jets. Just send them all the MIGs we have goddammit, air power is sooo important and we should be doing everything we can to make Ukraine win the air war. Also start training pilots on Western jets so that if the war isn't over in a few months we can send them those too.
|
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 21:43
|
|
|
Kaal posted:Don't forget Brazil and South Africa. The petrodollar's days are over! Also South Africa’s economic trajectory right now is the opposite of a rising star.
|
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 21:45
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 4, 2024 22:21 |
|
|
Djarum posted:Jesus I was thinking they were talking at flying at like 1500-2500 meters. That seems sub 1000. No wonder why US pilots and the Ukrainians themselves say they do some crazy stuff. Especially at that speed, that is at least 275 knots. That article was really great. A dumb aside I'm finding some humorous irony that because of Covid delays, we're getting Top Gun 2 this May even though it's been good to go since 2020, which was just long enough for whatever fake-war scenario they came up with for that film to look like small fries compared to the actual peer-to-peer air combat now happening over Ukraine. With things that actually matter; along with all the other things being learned about tanks, drones and logistics in modern warfare, the entire US Air Force better be glued to the intel they're getting from this air war. This has got to be one of the starkest "student replaces the teacher" scenarios in military history. US pilots have way more flying hours but nothing compares to being under constant threat from superior air and ground opponents at all times. Orthanc6 fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Mar 31, 2022 |
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2022 21:46
|
|