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Rinkles posted:Is it the grasp they have over media? Pretty sure. 12 our of the 14 voting districts of Budapest were won by the opposition. The countryside is under total media control tho. mobby_6kl posted:No worries putin will come to denazify you any moment now These are the nazis paid by Putin.
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:Pretty sure. 12 our of the 14 voting districts of Budapest were won by the opposition. The countryside is under total media control tho. with a rebel yell she QQd posted:These are the nazis paid by Putin. 
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Hungarian politics really does confuse me. Based on Hungarian history I would expect it to be extremely anti-russian, but Orban is in no way hiding that he's Putin's stooge. Also saw a snippet of his victory speech where he blamed everything bad on either specific Jews of dogwhistle terms for Jews so I'm waiting with trepidation to see what he does with his supermajority this time
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:Pretty sure. 12 our of the 14 voting districts of Budapest were won by the opposition. The countryside is under total media control tho. PiS was floating an idea of FPTP in rural areas (where they have a majority/plurality so 100% of seats go to them) and proportional in the cities (where the opposition has a majority/plurality, so PiS captures some votes there as well). I'm assuming that Hungary has a similar system (and this is where PiS got the idea from), or is it all FPTP?
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mmkay posted:PiS was floating an idea of FPTP in rural areas (where they have a majority/plurality so 100% of seats go to them) and proportional in the cities (where the opposition has a majority/plurality, so PiS captures some votes there as well). I'm assuming that Hungary has a similar system (and this is where PiS got the idea from), or is it all FPTP? Holy poo poo I haven't heard of that but that's an amazingly bold strategy. I'm quite sure even the republicans didn't think of this yet.
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:Fidesz 2/3 majority, nazis got in as well. No hope in this country. loving hell, that’s way wider than the speculated difference of a few percentage points.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:loving hell, that’s way wider than the speculated difference of a few percentage points. Think it's legitimate, or did he fudge the numbers somehow?
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Charlz Guybon posted:Think it's legitimate, or did he fudge the numbers somehow? My personal opinion is that Orban good enough at tampering with the electoral process, with his media control and all, that there’s no need for his party to do any much ballot stuffing or other direct numbers fudging. Problem is his pre-election tampering is done competently enough that no one can really interfere.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Think it's legitimate, or did he fudge the numbers somehow? I think its "legitimate" as much as it can be, with the mail in ballots from abroad being collected by Fidesz stooges and Fidesz controlling 90% of the media. Opposition parties had exactly 5 minutes given to them on state TV in 4 years. Fidesz has basically infinite resources for campaigning as they blur the lines between "government information" and "Fidesz campaign", while the opposition barely has anything and constantly gets fined by the state. mmkay posted:PiS was floating an idea of FPTP in rural areas (where they have a majority/plurality so 100% of seats go to them) and proportional in the cities (where the opposition has a majority/plurality, so PiS captures some votes there as well). I'm assuming that Hungary has a similar system (and this is where PiS got the idea from), or is it all FPTP? Hungary uses a mixed system. Everyone basically casts two votes, one on a candidate from their district with FPTP, this gives 106 seats out of the 199 required. And one nationwide party list which uses proportional representation for the remaining 93 seats. This is why such things like Fidesz getting 46% of the votes but that somehow translates to 2/3 majority can happen. I guess I dont have to explain the colours on these maps. Hungary  Budapest  Edit: To have some good news as well. The homophobic referendum held at the same time as the election failed due to the amount of invalid votes cast. 
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Emperor Vučić won easily in Serbia. He won personally in the first round for the president, he has over 50% of the parliament with his allies, and it looks like he won Belgrade too, just with a very small margin. You can say this is worse than before because not only you still have him, but now far right opposition made significant progress. Or maybe it's better than before because on the last elections the opposition gambled on a half-assed boycott and ended up achieving nothing, and left Vučić with literal 100% of the power. Now there is at least some leftish opposition, and they have a solid representation in parliament and in Belgrade. Croatia had a similar situation in the previous elections and then last year they won Zagreb in a landslide so optimists (the few that still exist) are hoping for a similar outcome in the next Serbian elections.. Doctor Malaver fucked around with this message at 12:12 on Apr 4, 2022 |
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So yeah Fidesz basically owns the entirety of the traditional media in Hungary and they have a pretty big position in facebook as well, so even on the internet they have a huge presence. However I would personally still blame the opposition party because all they could do in the last 12 years is to to unite multiple parties in the ballot only, but not in policy, messaging or even a central figure until the very last moment (this kinda hosed up the fidesz messaging as they were expecting the old PM to come back, but they didn't care, the messaging still kind of worked). The opposition was made out of center-left, center-right and straight up far-right parties so no wonder they couldn't come to a common ground. Looking at the map shows that opposition basically had no presence outside of the capital, and this isn't just propaganda and gerrymandering, they were straight up ignored. I keep hearing activists living outside how they had 1-2 opposition rallies and up to 20-50 fidesz rallies. Like we can cry how rural people are stupid and easy to control and there is no money, but if you just straight up ignore them then no loving wonder you lost. Kinda funny how we cry how we are getting further from the west, yet we do the exact same political errors as they do.
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Bholder posted:So yeah Fidesz basically owns the entirety of the traditional media in Hungary and they have a pretty big position in facebook as well, so even on the internet they have a huge presence. I have to agree. Not only people in the rural areas were ignored but also the ones abroad as usual. I think Márki-Zay was also a bad choice with all the crazy poo poo he was saying (I just can't trust conservative christians), Dobrev would have been similarly a bad idea with the rampant chauvinism in this country and her being Gyurcsány's wife, propaganda would have taken her apart. Karácsony is not perfect, but in my opinion would have been the best choice even tho I'm not sure if things would have turned out different at the elections or not.
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Our defence minister has figured out the real purpose of the war in Ukraine – to grant him ammunition to deal with his posting enemies on Twitter.
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Pabriks is a Twitter boomer, but he's on the record for having tried to roll with punches at least a couple of times. My favourite tweet of his was a couple of years back when he got mad about an American pancake mix not sold in Latvia changing their packaging to be more inclusive or less racist and swore to not to buy it again. The latest spat is interesting though and could have real life implications for press freedom to the point where it would almost be worth a small effortpost which I won't make. The tldr is that the nationalists are still loving mad at Leonid Ragozin and Re:Baltica for that Azov article they collaborated on a few years back and have been trying to cancel Ragozin and R:B ever since. They've also been mad at the public broadcaster for about a decade for reasons I've honestly forgotten. LGBT propaganda? Portrayal of 2016 refugee crisis? Refusal to acknowledge glorious achievments of Vyšegrad countries? Who knows. Giving Ragozin airtime on the Russian public media channel kicked off (among the usual suspects at least) a minor witch hunt for journalists "toeing the Kremlin line". It could impact the public media, unfortunately.
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Yeah, SEPLP is fighting back, but I’m really not a fan of Pabriks playing fast and loose with rhetoric. Thankfully, neither Rinkēvičs not Golubeva seem to be particularly interested in pandering to his spat with Ragozin. That doesn’t stop him from posting poo poo like this though: https://twitter.com/pabriks/status/1511000241448833030 As for the public media, I think that conservatives can just stay mad. Despite their yelling, there doesn’t seem to be much popular support for gutting it further - if anything, it feels like there may finally be momentum to do something about providing Russian speakers an alternative to Russian information space.
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a podcast for cats posted:The tldr is that the nationalists are still loving mad at Leonid Ragozin and Re:Baltica for that Azov article they collaborated on a few years back and have been trying to cancel Ragozin and R:B ever since. i never knew quite what this was, only had heard about it vaguely or seen people getting in twitter spats with Ragozin, despite his seeming pretty normal. have now looked it up and oh, lol, that makes a lot more sense now.
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I think we should send the virus a get well soon card for catching a long case of zhirinovsky.
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anilEhilated posted:Seems EU is finally trying to move against Orbán. Can this actually hurt him in any meaningful way? This can completely destroy him, since Hungary is a failed state without EU cash inflows. The question is if Orban is more popular with Hungarians than the EU.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2WH8mHJnhM What a shame.  cinci zoo sniper posted:This can completely destroy him, since Hungary is a failed state without EU cash inflows. The question is if Orban is more popular with Hungarians than the EU.
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TearsOfPirates posted:I dunno about that my dude. Janša *is* being funded by Orban. This a bummer, I had the impression Slovenia had its poo poo together the most out of the Yugoslav countries.
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TearsOfPirates posted:I dunno about that my dude. Janša *is* being funded by Orban. Yeah I turned my gaze towards Romania now. 
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mobby_6kl posted:This a bummer, I had the impression Slovenia had its poo poo together the most out of the Yugoslav countries. We do, but we also don't. It also doesn't help that a lot of people are moving out because the country is steering just slightly more right every day and the pay is pretty much poo poo and not going up at all.
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:Yeah I turned my gaze towards Romania now. Extremely poor, barely in EU.
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TearsOfPirates posted:I dunno about that my dude. Janša *is* being funded by Orban. Although JJ being suddenly pro-Ukrainian sure is a great way to avoid paying his dept. It has been funny watching RTV "just asking questions" in the lead up to the war, then being ordered to do a 180 afterwards. TearsOfPirates posted:And the left is more and more inept the more the war in Ukraine goes on. I swear those people must be drinking lead or something. Can't wait to move out. This is by design. There is another new anti-Janša party being fronted for the election in a few weeks and they could "win", like Cerar and Šarec before. It won't solve anything and will just be another few years before Janša is back again.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Extremely poor, barely in EU. Oh I know. I'm more about the "cheap" factor. If I could afford it I would move to the west. 
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:Oh I know. I'm more about the "cheap" factor. If I could afford it I would move to the west. What about the Czech Republic, my dude. Not quite "west" but not too hosed up either
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Mokotow posted:Why don’t we all move to Latvia - with all the EE thread goons moving there, we could easilly account for like 70% of the electorate, plus we have an IK there already. Even after reading your posts for 8 years, I wouldn’t suggest that to you.  with a rebel yell she QQd posted:Oh I know. I'm more about the "cheap" factor. If I could afford it I would move to the west. That’s fair enough.
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alex314 posted:If I ever move from Poland one of the main criteria would be "how far away is the nearest border with Russia. Present idea is either Portugal or Canaries. Azores seem to be the best of both worlds - Portuguese and middle of the Atlantic Seriously though, don't move to an island. I've lived on one for quite some time and it is it's own unique flavour of suck. If I had to pick an EE location to move to (other than Latvia), it'd be Czechia or Slovakia, but it's based mostly on superficial impressions.
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If I were moving to somewhere in EE, it would likely be Czechia, maybe Croatia - but also based merely on colleagues I’ve had from those countries, I’ve visited neither. Ultimately, I’m also privileged enough to just work remotely, so moving away from Latvia means taking substantial financial hit for non-existential (yet) reason, which I guess is a nice problem to have. And yeah gently caress islands. I briefly lived in Puerto Rico and it was impossible to get a fresh vegetable salad in a restaurant. Stuff like Azores or Canaries must suck so much more in the long run, if you care about anything other than stable summer weather and sea beaches.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:If I were moving to somewhere in EE, it would likely be Czechia, maybe Croatia. Yeah, I'd recommend against it. We are on downward spiral, our hopelessly corrupt ruling party is currently unchallenged and will stay in power for foreseeable future, we currently second poorest EU nation and there are no signs that things will ever get better. But at least food is nice, coast is pretty but people are garbage.
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:Oh I know. I'm more about the "cheap" factor. If I could afford it I would move to the west. How about eastern Slovakia then? We have low prices(lower than the Bratislava-Vienna region at least), a conservative-but-not-far-right government (the only in V4), plenty of Hungarian speakers, alpine mountains, no saltwater shoreline, but a few lakes and it's only about 3 hours to Budapest.
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Gervasius posted:Yeah, I'd recommend against it. We are on downward spiral, our hopelessly corrupt ruling party is currently unchallenged and will stay in power for foreseeable future, we currently second poorest EU nation and there are no signs that things will ever get better. But at least food is nice, coast is pretty but people are garbage.  In my old job we had a Serbian team with a Croatian lead, which led to a lot of really funny banter.
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Gervasius posted:Eastern Europe: We are on downward spiral  I'd certainly like nice weather year-round but not enough to confime myself to a lovely island. Southern Spain or Italy are relatively poor but not too bad IMO.
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