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Megazver
Jan 13, 2006

Whaleporn posted:

I agree with people in the thread stating that it's way, way more engrossing to read about slice of life with the occasional life and death struggle vs the other way around where it gets exhausting and the author only lets you up for air once in a while, which is what you need to do to keep patreon subs rolling I guess?


Beware of Chicken does just fine on Patreon.

And HWFWM did fine, funding-wise, during the long stretches when it was more on the slice-of-life side. (TBH, I checked out when it went into full ALL CRISIS ALL THE TIME mode in the second half of the Earth arc, then checked back in when that ended, saw it was mostly gonna go on like that and stopped reading it.)

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Hungry
Jul 14, 2006

Plorkyeran posted:

The thing that bores me the most are fight scenes that are just fight scenes and don't do anything to develop the characters or their relationships. Two people punching each other for a while is even less interesting to read about than the hundredth description of someone learning how to see ~magic~.

This is getting more into discussion of narrative mechanics than web serials strictly, but ... yeah! Holy poo poo, yeah.

I dunno where the trend comes from (super hero movies? video games??? I dunno!) but a lot of stories seem to lose sight of what makes a fight scene exciting, which is that it should always be tied into the larger stakes and the goals of the characters having the fight. How they fight, the decisions they make, what's on the line for them (both materially and emotionally) are how a scene goes from being just an action sequence to a fight scene. I'm not claiming I'm great at this myself or anything, but it's always nice when one of those scenes comes together in just the right way and the physical fight is a reflection of conflict and character.

A big flaming stink
Apr 26, 2010

Nettle Soup posted:

Had this conversation earlier in a discord when somebody was attempting to explain their story about an exiled princess and a spoilt price and I am just so tired of War and Nobility. I cannot be arsed reading fantasy rich-people politics anymore.

My little story is absolutely not suited to the RR crowd and I'll never make any money off it, but I'm having a lot of fun with it, so that's ok.

i find it becomes very obvious which authors have played the hell out of crusader kings 2/3 and which authors have not

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I don't mind fantasy aristocracy politics when it's done right, but it rarely is. It's often just aesthetic. Like, they're just regular rich people and not you know, feudal or republican aristocrats.

Larry Parrish fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Apr 13, 2022

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness

Larry Parrish posted:

I don't mind fantasy aristocracy politics when it's done right, but it rarely is. It's often just aesthetic. Like, they're just regular rich people and not you know, feudal or republican aristocrats.
I mean this is hand in hand with how all the politics are always the same, and it's modern Americana, the same, forever, except with setting trappings

(with the exception of Chinese webnovels in which case it's modern China, the same, forever, except with setting trappings)

Whaleporn
May 6, 2007

This is me on my bike pretty cool huh?

DACK FAYDEN posted:

I mean this is hand in hand with how all the politics are always the same, and it's modern Americana, the same, forever, except with setting trappings

(with the exception of Chinese webnovels in which case it's modern China, the same, forever, except with setting trappings)

woah woah woah, sometimes it's imperial era china buddy!

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

Yeah, all of this annoys me as well. It's why I'm doing my own thing.

I'm currently (literally, let myself get distracted as I'm doing it) in the middle of building out three dozen different(ish... I'm shamelessly reusing in a few places because there's only so many) methods of government and ways of thinking, and WHOOOF it's a challenge.

Right now I have 438 different territories/cities/points of interest that I need to work out.... and that's only halfway through the list, still building the framework.

I'm determined to do this *right*

Chillyrabbit
Oct 24, 2012

The only sword wielding rabbit on the internet



Ultra Carp
Selkie what's the best way to support your work? I feel like throwing a couple of dollars your way for BTDM

.Z.
Jan 12, 2008

TWI Patreon:
IDKFA

Plorkyeran
Mar 22, 2007

To Escape The Shackles Of The Old Forums, We Must Reject The Tribal Negativity He Endorsed

Whaleporn posted:

woah woah woah, sometimes it's imperial era china buddy!

I'm pretty sure it's usually imperial era china, but maybe that's just my ignorance of modern china and some things I associate primarily with romance of the three kingdoms are more present today than I realize.

Hungry posted:

This is getting more into discussion of narrative mechanics than web serials strictly, but ... yeah! Holy poo poo, yeah.

I dunno where the trend comes from (super hero movies? video games??? I dunno!) but a lot of stories seem to lose sight of what makes a fight scene exciting, which is that it should always be tied into the larger stakes and the goals of the characters having the fight. How they fight, the decisions they make, what's on the line for them (both materially and emotionally) are how a scene goes from being just an action sequence to a fight scene. I'm not claiming I'm great at this myself or anything, but it's always nice when one of those scenes comes together in just the right way and the physical fight is a reflection of conflict and character.

I do think this is one of the strengths of Katalepsis. The awkward mishmash of genres works specifically because it's all working towards a consistent goal. The tone shifts aren't just because a different writer is writing this episode or something, but rather it's because it's what this character beat needed. You're not the best at writing an action sequence that's exciting on it's own merits, but you are good at writing action sequences that are clearly there for a reason other than that you needed to hit your target word count, which for me is the more important part.

Peachfart
Jan 21, 2017

Plorkyeran posted:

The thing that bores me the most are fight scenes that are just fight scenes and don't do anything to develop the characters or their relationships. Two people punching each other for a while is even less interesting to read about than the hundredth description of someone learning how to see ~magic~.

Agreed, Ar'Kendrithyst is the only story where I really enjoy the magic discussion, and fight scenes that don't mean anything are boring.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
speaking of Ar'kendrythist I love that in the later volumes when Eric is an absurdly high level archmage, it gets less and less detailed when he's doing stuff like mass monster exterminations remotely. it's a trivial task and it gets about as much attention as him tying his shoes, unless something comes up during it.

Argue
Sep 29, 2005

I represent the Philippines

.Z. posted:

TWI Patreon:
IDKFA

Oh my god an actual buffer overflow attack

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

TWI Patreon Good lord the gods are dumb as hell. No wonder they lost a billion years ago. Oh well it's an excuse for a big drat ghost fight scene so it's hard to complain too much.

Peachfart
Jan 21, 2017

TWI Patreon: lmao

tithin
Nov 14, 2003


[Grandmaster Tactician]



TWI Patreon:

Don't click, huge spoilers



1/ Gnolls - an avatar of luck from the stitched together corpses of hundreds of thousands of Doombearers is about right, but it was remarkably helpful of Belavierr to reveal that...

2/ Gods / Seamwalkers - very curious to see more of these dumb motherfucking gods, but am laughing very hard at the afterlife literally being part of the system too to the point that Emerhain fuckin launched an sql injection attack against the system and turning everything back on


Also mild spoiler;


That was my reaction to Wer re-entering the scene


90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
finally someone posts some spoilers with meat to them

I can't wait for the weekend

and a new katalepsis after having to cancel my patreon left me rereading an old chapter, gonna be a good weekend

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Patreon decided to stop accepting my card lately and it's epic, so im months behind on everything. but on the other hand with TWI I have a like 6 month backlog that will take me probably a few weeks to read, so you know. easy come easy go, I guess.

tithin
Nov 14, 2003


[Grandmaster Tactician]



Larry Parrish posted:

Patreon decided to stop accepting my card lately and it's epic, so im months behind on everything. but on the other hand with TWI I have a like 6 month backlog that will take me probably a few weeks to read, so you know. easy come easy go, I guess.

I said to a friend on discord that any one of the subplots from arc 8 twi would be a massively compelling story on its own, woven together like this is incredible.

Argue
Sep 29, 2005

I represent the Philippines

tithin posted:



1/ Gnolls - an avatar of luck from the stitched together corpses of hundreds of thousands of Doombearers is about right, but it was remarkably helpful of Belavierr to reveal that...



Chaldion paid her to do it

Also considering Emmerhain used a string that wasn't null-terminated, it was clearly a buffer overflow

tithin
Nov 14, 2003


[Grandmaster Tactician]



Argue posted:

Chaldion paid her to do it

Also considering Emmerhain used a string that wasn't null-terminated, it was clearly a buffer overflow

oh poo poo SO HE DID

that dumb motherfucker

I don't know enough about that stuff to say root cause I just looked at it as him doing some dumb computer stuff

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness

Whaleporn posted:

woah woah woah, sometimes it's imperial era china buddy!
this is also valid, although sometimes it's imperial era china with suspiciously modern trappings (western authors do the same with allegedly-medieval)

but everyone knows this and nobody wants to hear about the garbage can of ideology so uh, I'll shut up now

RBA-Wintrow
Nov 4, 2009


Clapping Larry

Infinity Gaia posted:

Finally got around to reading all of Beware of Chicken. drat, this is really good, no wonder it hit number 1 on whatever that was. Now I have a hunger for other nonstandard cultivation stuff, going through Virtuous Sons and seems pretty good so far, good dynamic between the two main characters. I feel like it kinda half-asses the greco-roman cultivation conversion in some places but overall it definitely feels fresh. Any other nonstandard cultivation stuff folks can recommend?


The Essence of Cultivation
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/34710/the-essence-of-cultivation

Wizard from a D&D world accidentally teleports into a Xianxia world and decides to set up a magic shool.
Very wholesome with a Beware of Chicken feel. But where BoC avoids focusing on the details and mechanics of cultivation and magic, this story has a focus on it. You won't miss out on anything if you just skim those parts though. Like BoC it's about the relations the MC makes with various mortals and cultivators.


Master, This Poor Disciple Died Again Today
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/47340/master-this-poor-disciple-died-again-today

Dude transmigrates into a Xianxia world and become the personal disciple of an elder of the Starbound Sect. His master is busy with his own stuff though. So he relies on his friends in an unkind world.


Magic-Smithing
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/31474/magic-smithing

Another transmigration story, this time into a D&Dish world. MC is a girl who becomes a smithing apprentice to a dwarven smith in a small village. She also learns magic and wants to make magic items.
Another friends and family focused story.
Very, very slow story. There's progression in power. She levels very quickly. But I'm 100 chapters in and there's barely been any smithing and she and her wizard friend have only just figured out how to make magic ink and do the most basic enchanting.

The story may be about to go in a completely different direction though as the kingdom she's in has just been conquered and the new overlord is collecting people who are high level or level faster than normal. So it's likely she'll be leaving her village in a few (dozen) chapters.

Dream Weaver
Jan 23, 2007
Sweat Baby, sweat baby

RBA-Wintrow posted:

The Essence of Cultivation
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/34710/the-essence-of-cultivation

Wizard from a D&D world accidentally teleports into a Xianxia world and decides to set up a magic shool.
Very wholesome with a Beware of Chicken feel. But where BoC avoids focusing on the details and mechanics of cultivation and magic, this story has a focus on it. You won't miss out on anything if you just skim those parts though. Like BoC it's about the relations the MC makes with various mortals and cultivators.


Master, This Poor Disciple Died Again Today
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/47340/master-this-poor-disciple-died-again-today

Dude transmigrates into a Xianxia world and become the personal disciple of an elder of the Starbound Sect. His master is busy with his own stuff though. So he relies on his friends in an unkind world.


Magic-Smithing
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/31474/magic-smithing

Another transmigration story, this time into a D&Dish world. MC is a girl who becomes a smithing apprentice to a dwarven smith in a small village. She also learns magic and wants to make magic items.
Another friends and family focused story.
Very, very slow story. There's progression in power. She levels very quickly. But I'm 100 chapters in and there's barely been any smithing and she and her wizard friend have only just figured out how to make magic ink and do the most basic enchanting.

The story may be about to go in a completely different direction though as the kingdom she's in has just been conquered and the new overlord is collecting people who are high level or level faster than normal. So it's likely she'll be leaving her village in a few (dozen) chapters.

Also my story is non standard
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/49962/sect-leader-cold-hard-truth-isekai-cultivation

It's about a woman who is isekaied into the top spot at a cultivator school and how she works out all the details of running it after most of the leadership dies. There's aunties, jokes and most of all the path of the thrown sandal.

rafikki
Mar 8, 2008

I see what you did there. (It's pretty easy, since ducks have a field of vision spanning 340 degrees.)

~SMcD


tithin posted:

I said to a friend on discord that any one of the subplots from arc 8 twi would be a massively compelling story on its own, woven together like this is incredible.

It really is amazing. How the hell she keeps this going is beyond me.

Peachfart
Jan 21, 2017

Pirateaba will finally finish TWI sometime in the distant future, and all that will be left is a desiccated corpse.

Foxfire_
Nov 8, 2010

And the autopsy will reveal that they died in 2010 :spooky:

asur
Dec 28, 2012
Have they said how long the story is planned to be? The end of this book will wrap up quite of a few of the long term story arcs though the main one still continues.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

RBA-Wintrow posted:

The Essence of Cultivation
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/34710/the-essence-of-cultivation

Wizard from a D&D world accidentally teleports into a Xianxia world and decides to set up a magic shool.
Very wholesome with a Beware of Chicken feel. But where BoC avoids focusing on the details and mechanics of cultivation and magic, this story has a focus on it. You won't miss out on anything if you just skim those parts though. Like BoC it's about the relations the MC makes with various mortals and cultivators.

This premise reminds me of a similar web fiction where a D&D wizard ends up in the Harry Potter setting. I remember being extremely surprised at enjoying it, despite the goofy premise.

Argue
Sep 29, 2005

I represent the Philippines
That's Harry Potter and the Natural 20, and I've recommended it here a few times. The author somehow spun a solid character arc out of a premise that's essentially a goofy shitpost, and it has some excellent comic timing. Plus, it uses your knowledge of the HP books against you by diverging in unexpected ways that make a lot of sense, and the author is really good at carrying out the balancing act of not making either magic system clearly more overpowered than the other.

After something like six years of being absent, the author suddenly updated it with two chapters and a promise of writing more, then... vanished again. He still posts occasionally about D&D on his blog, and on rare occasion will assert that the fic is not dead.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
im never in a hundred years going to read Harry Potter fan fiction, sorry. i don't care if the potterheads launch a coup and it becomes illegal to not read that stuff.

RBA-Wintrow
Nov 4, 2009


Clapping Larry

Larry Parrish posted:

im never in a hundred years going to read Harry Potter fan fiction, sorry. i don't care if the potterheads launch a coup and it becomes illegal to not read that stuff.

Heresy!
Mods please change his name to Harry Potterish.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
read harriet porber you coward

tithin
Nov 14, 2003


[Grandmaster Tactician]



read it and thought it was overrated

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
I’d fully expected to find the motorcycles standing before me, with those same obnoxious grins, but what I receive could not be any farther removed. ​There in the doorway is a tall, breathtakingly handsome dinosaur, shirtless and chiseled in all of his muscular glory.

Kaja Rainbow
Oct 17, 2012

~Adorable horror~
Some of us don't want to read fanfic of the works of a highly prominent terf

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
more relevantly even something 90% as good as Harry Potter is going to be almost unreadable dogshit even before we factor in the fanfiction element. frankly even something 200% better is going to be awful.

Kaja Rainbow
Oct 17, 2012

~Adorable horror~
JKR being a terf is extremely relevant to me by the way since I'm a member of the group she's targeting and harming

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

Our God..... is an awesome God

Kaja Rainbow posted:

JKR being a terf is extremely relevant to me by the way since I'm a member of the group she's targeting and harming

As someone who does read Harry Potter fanfiction, I've noticed several stories add trans characters and themes, I suspect specifically to thumb their nose at JKR's nastiness. Or at least make it clear they disagree with the comments the author of the original books made after they were published.

Argue posted:

That's Harry Potter and the Natural 20, and I've recommended it here a few times. The author somehow spun a solid character arc out of a premise that's essentially a goofy shitpost, and it has some excellent comic timing. Plus, it uses your knowledge of the HP books against you by diverging in unexpected ways that make a lot of sense, and the author is really good at carrying out the balancing act of not making either magic system clearly more overpowered than the other.

Doesn't the author have Bellatrix? get transported to the D&D world and completely dominate a bunch of high level wizards, despite Milo having established that even a low level spell could block the Imperius curse? That was about where I decided to drop it.


vvvv Agreed, and I hope I didn't imply otherwise. Also honestly even as someone that enjoys the occasional HP fanfic someone who skips them isn't exactly missing a lot of fine literature.

Bremen fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Apr 14, 2022

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90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
I'd just like to clarify that no-one is a coward or wrong for taking the very reasonable position that they don't want to read even trans, gently caress-you-joanne wizarding world tm content.

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