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alex314 posted:Unless it comes from frozen assets outside of Russia they won't pay a dime. I expect if they refuse the sanctions will remain and the money will be taken out of their reserves. Maybe Russia would refuse indefinitely and suffer greatly to avoid admitting fault in the war, but Ukraine gets paid out of Russia's pocket either way. It would be stupid for them to refuse, but that doesn't make it less likely that they will, you're right.
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mlmp08 posted:The thread rules that ban discussion of Geneva, mistreatment of POWs, and international law and practices make it hard to respond to this interpretation of what is interesting or not in the posted propaganda interview. It’s far from ‘clear’ that this interview constitutes a violation of the rights afforded to POWs under the Geneva Accords; and one of your claims that they somehow “doxed” this POW by asking him to identify himself is prima facie ridiculous. That’s the one bit of information the capturing party is entitled to under the Geneva Accords.
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What is this we already had this conversation, exposing POWs to public spectacle is no bueno and while it's one thing to share evidence of war crimes because it is useful information to disseminate (with a tag), sharing these POW videos is participating in the war crime.
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ZombieLenin posted:and one of your claims that they somehow “doxed” this POW by asking him to identify himself is prima facie ridiculous. That is not true at all, there is zero requirement to give your captor your home address. Name, yes. Home address absolutely not.
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The only worse war crime is openly sharing that song about the weapon of death... Bayraktar. Can't we respect some decorum around here
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Somaen posted:Get some perspective jesus ... said the romans while lifting him up. 
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mlmp08 posted:Ok, I may have misunderstood. I thought videos of war crimes needed tags or some kind of warning or weren’t supposed to be posted. I did not realize posting up the videos of the victim and perpetrator in action on video was good to go in this thread. Have you considered spending that sassing/concern trolling energy on reading the actual thread rules? I may not be as diplomatic with your antics going forward. Tagging rules are there primarily for shock content, and in my view two seemingly healthy adults reading a script in a room does not qualify as such - same goes for having more specific disclaimers than what is stated in the OP, that this is a thread about war, and thus war footage shall follow. In general, war crimes may very well be of relevance to the thread topic, and it would be inadequate to prohibit people from posting media about them, when doing so would add to the discussion. The primary restriction there is that one must not glorify or encourage war crimes - that falls under the general SA rules against calls for violence.
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Oh and Just FYI it's Article 13 of the Geneva Convention under “prisoners of war must at all times be protected, particularly against acts of violence or intimidation and against insults and public curiosity" So yeah that would be people posting their details in a public space like here. Like not committing war crimes be good y'all.
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People committing war crimes in SA sounds like a serious problem. I suggest opening a QCS thread about it.
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Pretty sure war crimes are just like a misdemeanour. It's probably fine.
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fatherboxx posted:Yesterday I have learned that when writing the word "unmanned aircraft" - беспилотник - Strelkov always writes it wrong - as безпилотник. Yet thats not out of problems with grammar but because weirdo monarchists like Strelkov actively avoid writing prefix бес- because "бес" means devil or imp. Just so you know the type of a guy he is. thats poo poo so loving surreal. like little imp devils like my avatar arnt loving real dude. pretty sure he didn't shoot the Romanovs, well maybe he would shoot nicky but he will probably have a panic attack in the basement shooting galley. now that i am done the joke that maybe 3 people here got. monarchists are loving nuts. absolutists monarchs were all bad and moronic then and is now. cinci zoo sniper posted:Can I deflect this on Germany as well? nice. it really does sound like their kursk.
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Extremely  at the beginning of this video. Shot up cars. Remains of body parts. A dead cat.code:ummel fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Apr 22, 2022 |
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Have you considered spending that sassing/concern trolling energy on reading the actual thread rules? I may not be as diplomatic with your antics going forward. I really dislike the characterization "sassing/concern trolling." You think it is pedantry- but you are misinterpreting the earnestness of people who have had formal training in LOAC and have it bound up with their professional ethic. LOAC is not trivia. The nuances and their relationship to what we are witnessing is probably the most substantive thing that can be learned from this thread, but the best placed people to teach it are hectored by other posters, including you. Please do not circumscribe this topic.
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Yeah rules on what is and isn't intimidating and embarrassing prisoners should probably go further now that everyone's a mobile video publishing studio. As a private citizen, I try to view it as "am I making anyone explicitly directly suffer more" and make the call there. And yes, much like my posting.
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Dilkington posted:LOAC is not trivia. The nuances and their relationship to what we are witnessing is probably the most substantive thing that can be learned from this thread, but the best placed people to teach it are hectored by other posters, including you. Please do not circumscribe this topic. Okay, you've said your piece. Move on.
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mlmp08 posted:I think they’re the most interesting parts of the video. The interrogator makes the POW expose his full name and his home address, and it ends with the POW being made to read a prepared statement calling his country bad etc. Why would they bring back their scrap over the border? https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1517448541806944257 AN-26 rumoured to have hit a powerline e: source https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1517465297095204865 ummel posted:Extremely https://twitter.com/CanadianUkrain1/status/1517383390101712897 Risky Bisquick fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Apr 22, 2022 |
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Risky Bisquick posted:Thales has been selling thermal imaging equipment to Russia for a while for their T-90s which could be outfitted on T-72s. I don't think they would've equipped their BMPs with this given they couldn't equip all their MBT. That's military contracts for you. Someone on Russian side designed BMD-4, which included appropriate modern fire control and optics systems. Then the usual  thing happened and here we are. Probably contract to modify T-72 or get more supply of T-90 systems was handled by different teams, etc.
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Good on you France. Sidenote the imbedded tweet says formed, it's a mistranslation and should be read as trained. https://twitter.com/mattia_n/status/1517482121388085250
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The wreck of the Moscva has been declared a historical heritage site by Ukraine.
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Edit: See CommieGIR’s post above.Dilkington posted:I really dislike the characterization "sassing/concern trolling." You think it is pedantry- but you are misinterpreting the earnestness of people who have had formal training in LOAC and have it bound up with their professional ethic. That is a characterization of the specific poster making the specific post, who has a history of making subpar quality posts in this thread. You may disagree or dislike it from that angle as well, in which case I don't have anything to offer you. In my opinion, the discussion on whether if rules around POW footage or similar should be expanded could be meriting. That said, the thread rules have been formed in pursuit of having a thread that is useful and enjoyable to read to learn about main events of war in Ukraine (not about LOAC), and on that account we're in a good spot already. Therefore, I'm not interested in spending my effort on this, especially when petitioned by a known shitposter. DOOMocrat posted:Yeah rules on what is and isn't intimidating and embarrassing prisoners should probably go further now that everyone's a mobile video publishing studio. As a private citizen, I try to view it as "am I making anyone explicitly directly suffer more" and make the call there. And yes, much like my posting. For you both, the quickest way to make this change happen is to open a QCS thread and petition for a sitewide change of rules on posting media containing war crimes. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 14:21 on Apr 22, 2022 |
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You say scrap the warrant officer says money for the new apartment
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Risky Bisquick posted:As mentioned, the Hostomel battle account is the only interesting thing in that video. The rest is propaganda or likely coerced. jesus, if those losses are on point, they must have destroyed an entire platoon and its vehicular component https://twitter.com/CanadianUkrain1/status/1517374046471659529
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Atreiden posted:Good on you France. Sidenote the imbedded tweet says formed, it's a mistranslation and should be read as trained. Just 12 pieces from the army, apparently, and it's the older version, not the newer fancy one. (according to Le Monde) Still, the Caesar is well regarded.
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It should be worth mentioning in addition to the two fires yesterday, the chemical plant and missile research facility, there were more fires at enlistment offices. EN - https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/04/22/5-russian-enlistment-offices-hit-by-arson-attacks-reports-a77454 RU - https://t.me/istories_media/1108 Buildings catch fire all the time 
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Risky Bisquick posted:It should be worth mentioning in addition to the two fires yesterday, the chemical plant and missile research facility, there were more fires at enlistment offices. fabled quality of russian engineering, nothing to be done, many such cases
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Special combustion operation. I know the joke's been done to death but I'll keep doing it as long as they keep calling it that.
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Thales also make the Starstreak and Martlet missiles going to Ukraine, they sell to whoever wants military equipment.  I assume it was one of the prior contracts that they were allowed to fulfil or were they doing shenanigans?
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Atreiden posted:Good on you France. Sidenote the imbedded tweet says formed, it's a mistranslation and should be read as trained. France appears to be also sending MILAN launchers. https://twitter.com/arnocast/status/1517427917541761025
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An interesting take on Russia's current plans: https://twitter.com/KofmanMichael/status/1517471184106967040 Not wanting to second guess someone with considerably more understanding of things than I have, but this seems kinda insane? I don't see how Ukraine could ever be put under more economic pressure than Russia, or how Ukraine could be successfully blockaded (navally maybe, if they can't take out a few more warships, but never by land).
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FWIW, here's a sizzle reel of those Caesar artillery pieces. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLXAAVkg5TE Ukraine will end up with a really weird army eventually, PzH 2000 and Caesars working in the same force is weird as poo poo.
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Antigravitas posted:FWIW, here's a sizzle reel of those Caesar artillery pieces. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLXAAVkg5TE That's the genius of NATO. It's all 155mm standartised artillery.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:France appears to be also sending MILAN launchers. Has sent. France doesn't care much for Twitters, so it hasn't detailed what it has sent in detail, though. Quoth Le Monde (machine translated but I haven't seen any egregious translation errors) quote:France does not detail the equipment it sends to Ukraine. However, in an interview with Ouest-France on Friday, the President of the Republic was asked about the supply of heavy weapons to Ukraine. He said: "We are still delivering substantial equipment, from Milan to Caesar [cannons] and several types of weapons. I think we should continue along this path. There is always a red line, which is not to enter into cobelligerence.
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Charliegrs posted:Let's give Ukraine A10s! Let's give them Abrams tanks! Let's give them F22s! How hard can it be for them to operate? I operate them just fine on my Xbox! I love the idea that an antiquated plane used specifically to tee off on villagers with no air support is just what Ukraine's forces need.
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Chalks posted:An interesting take on Russia's current plans: Navally is what he's discussing. And it is a big deal - most bulk grain shipments are carried by boat for example. Foreign shipping has been pretty much stopped in the Black Sea since the beginning of the war and it doesn't appear that any other country is much interested in lifting the current de facto blockade. Odesa is theoretically open but most of the bulk grain ports appear to have been along the further eastern coast and those are all under Russian control now.
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Somaen posted:Lmao at hand-wringing of "war crimes" of a POW video when during 2 months we've had to stop people posting the documented war crimes of executions, rape and people getting blown up Are you an expert in international law? The only questionable thing is the distribution of the video, which may run afoul of rules against turning POWs into a public spectacle; of course, the publishing of a recorded interview of a POW has never been found to be an actual violation of that clause by the International Criminal Court or any War Crimes Tribunal. And, as it turns out, there is zero reference in any of the Geneva Accords to the video taping and publishing of POW interviews. So your claim that people are “hand ringing war crimes” is based on your own personal interpretation of international law, rather than one actually grounded in reality. Furthermore, it’s odd that of all the actual documented crimes of war and against humanity in this war, you come in here white knighting about the terrible war crime of interviewing a POW on camera by Ukraine.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:In general, war crimes may very well be of relevance to the thread topic, and it would be inadequate to prohibit people from posting media about them, when doing so would add to the discussion. The primary restriction there is that one must not glorify or encourage war crimes - that falls under the general SA rules against calls for violence. Posting about war crimes should of course happen, such as: Reporting on crimes like Bucha massacres, deliberate bombings on civilian refuges, injuring/executing prisoners, sexual violence, civilian relocations, reporting that POWs are being made objects of public curiosity and their home addresses and family names publicized. I see that as different than uncritically posting a POW interrogation, which would be illegal to create and publicize under US and NATO law. If you and the team do not see it that way, fine, I will see myself out and only continue to post in other subforums’ threads where mods have rules against reposting such content.
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KitConstantine posted:Navally is what he's discussing. And it is a big deal - most bulk grain shipments are carried by boat for example. Foreign shipping has been pretty much stopped in the Black Sea since the beginning of the war and it doesn't appear that any other country is much interested in lifting the current de facto blockade. I suspect a lot of grain shipments are going to get moved by Ukraine's still very intact rail system in the near future. mlmp08 posted:Posting about war crimes should of course happen, such as: Reporting on crimes like Bucha massacres, deliberate bombings on civilian refuges, injuring/executing prisoners, sexual violence, civilian relocations, reporting that POWs are being made objects of public curiosity and their home addresses and family names publicized. 'Create and Publicize' us the key words here. Generally, we discourage POW videos, but the people in this thread are not creating, nor publicizing these videos. And this is not a US law, is a LOAC thing, that the US is signatory to but nobody is going to enforce those laws against people on Twitter sharing videos. As a general rule: Please avoid showing POW interviews in this thread. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Apr 22, 2022 |
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I wish people would not post the POW vids. I've tried to get interesting video off of reluctant subjects in a much less fraught environment than a fuckin POW interrogation and people usually just say what they think you want to hear. It's useless, awkward, and definitely unethical. There's no upside.Risky Bisquick posted:Why would they bring back their scrap over the border? Excuse you, that is an elite Russian army mechanized BTG waiting to surge across the border
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Antigravitas posted:FWIW, here's a sizzle reel of those Caesar artillery pieces. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLXAAVkg5TE That reloading pattern feels odd – why do they keep a shell sitting in that side shelf thing at all times, when it doesn't appear to be getting removed in the footage?
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Just Another Lurker posted:Bought from Suardiaz shipping company, nice RORO. RORORO your boat ummel posted:Extremely Atreiden posted:Good on you France. Sidenote the imbedded tweet says formed, it's a mistranslation and should be read as trained. 
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