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Ynglaur
Oct 9, 2013

The Malta Conference, anyone?

SirTagz posted:

Time to bust out those T72-s UA has been holding back and do a proper armor rush!

Why do people always assume tanks like rolling across big open kill zones? gently caress that. Give me the nastiest, gnarliest terrain to push through. Just let me see the big open so that I can punish anyone foolish enough to traverse it.

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TulliusCicero
Jul 29, 2017



OddObserver posted:

https://twitter.com/EvgenyFeldman/status/1518254719231221760

Some theater production of "12 chairs" near Kaluga, Russia, added in Stalin saying "the West will never force Russia to its knees!".

For a government culture that is supposedly so hateful of its communist "jewish" past they sure seem to love the Soviet Union a whole lot. Very confused zeitgeist you got there Russia

Chuds never stop idealizing the shittier past I guess, regardless of country

Atreiden
May 4, 2008

The latest Russian conspiracy! Was the attacks in Bryansk false flags?

https://twitter.com/Bryan_E_Parker/status/1518409952322220034

For the record I don't think they were, would be stupid to destroy valuable things like oil and ammunition, especially when it was surrounded by worthless things (to the Russian regime) such as Russian homes and lives, that would invoke far more emotions from the Russian public.

Dwesa
Jul 19, 2016

Maybe I'll go where I can see stars

OddObserver posted:

https://twitter.com/EvgenyFeldman/status/1518254719231221760

Some theater production of "12 chairs" near Kaluga, Russia, added in Stalin saying "the West will never force Russia to its knees!".
I can imagine Ilf and Petrov having a good laugh about this absurdity

alex314
Nov 22, 2007

If I had means to move my family farther away from the frontline I would do so. Nothing surprising about it, especially if higher ranks of military know that Ukrainian Army occasionally strikes targets on Russian soil.

Chalks
Sep 30, 2009

Atreiden posted:

For the record I don't think they were, would be stupid to destroy valuable things like oil and ammunition, especially when it was surrounded by worthless things (to the Russian regime) such as Russian homes and lives, that would invoke far more emotions from the Russian public.

Yeah, this remains a good point about such conspiracies - high value military targets make for very poor false flag operations.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

OddObserver posted:

https://twitter.com/EvgenyFeldman/status/1518254719231221760

Some theater production of "12 chairs" near Kaluga, Russia, added in Stalin saying "the West will never force Russia to its knees!".

:stare: That is certainly a thing.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Atreiden posted:

For the record I don't think they were, would be stupid to destroy valuable things like oil and ammunition, especially when it was surrounded by worthless things (to the Russian regime) such as Russian homes and lives, that would invoke far more emotions from the Russian public.

Yep, as many people have already pointed out here, a false flag on what pretty much everyone would consider legitimate military targets doesn't make much sense.
Hell just find some homes or a hospital that is right next door to a military target bomb that, and go the Ukrainians are bombing us and they're incompetent and reckless! This just makes the Ukrainian army look extremely competent and very careful in what they're targeting.

Would be literally the stupidest false flag.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
The talk of false flags started when there were a bunch of "dastardly Ukraine shells empty cow pasture/abandoned outhouse" type of reports in local media.

Slashrat
Jun 6, 2011

YOSPOS

dr_rat posted:

Would be literally the stupidest false flag.

And yet the possibility cannot be disregarded...

Scapegoat
Sep 18, 2004

Chalks posted:

There's another (claimed) perspective on this footage showing two downed aircraft, so I think this guys started doing this once his buddy got blown out of the sky

https://twitter.com/Blue_Sauron/status/1517145610234654720

:nws: just two plumes of smoke in the distance, from what could be the perspective of the team that fired one or both of the shots.

Yep in retrospect the pilot should have just landed and run away. You gotta admire the trigger discipline for the manpad operator.

Ynglaur
Oct 9, 2013

The Malta Conference, anyone?

Marshal Prolapse posted:

That looks so god drat fun and deafening.

Tanks are even more fun. You get to see the target effects directly rather than having others tell you about it. :black101:

Xae
Jan 19, 2005

TulliusCicero posted:

For a government culture that is supposedly so hateful of its communist "jewish" past they sure seem to love the Soviet Union a whole lot. Very confused zeitgeist you got there Russia

Chuds never stop idealizing the shittier past I guess, regardless of country

Neo-Imperialist assholes like imperialist assholes from their countries past? Not exactly shocking.


Its all about rejection of general values like human rights, liberal democracy, etc. The replacement ideology is the thing that matters least to extremists.

TulliusCicero
Jul 29, 2017



Atreiden posted:

The latest Russian conspiracy! Was the attacks in Bryansk false flags?

https://twitter.com/Bryan_E_Parker/status/1518409952322220034

For the record I don't think they were, would be stupid to destroy valuable things like oil and ammunition, especially when it was surrounded by worthless things (to the Russian regime) such as Russian homes and lives, that would invoke far more emotions from the Russian public.

Aren't "False flag" attacks ussually supposed to be big on spectacle but low on impact in theory?

I feel like lighting your own critical infrastructure on fire during war is what strategists would call "Really loving Stupid", but Russia also says Ukrainians bomb themselves to make them look bad, so I don't put anything past them tbh.

TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Apr 25, 2022

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

I mean, if there was 'sabotage' to a pipeline that cut off Russian Oil/Gas from Europe temporarily, its not entirely outside the realm of possibility it could theoretically be a false flag, to try and drive a wedge between Ukraine and the EU countries - "Look, we in Russia are a reliable partner that honors our contracts and commitments (despite your supplying our enemies), but your so-called friends in Ukraine are hotheaded and reckless, seeking to cut you off from vital energy despite your help - they don't care about your freezing pensioners/voters or German economic stability. Therefore you should stop helping them!"

But 1) its not entirely clear what has happened, I've only seen the one source claiming a pipeline was hit, most others involve a refinery/ammo dump, and 2) its incredibly, incredibly stupid and counterproductive, and nobody would fall for it except those useful idiots who are already convinced. Its like <1% chance. The vastly more likely cause is Russian incompetence/lack of maintenance, or an actual Ukrainian attack on other targets.

Ynglaur
Oct 9, 2013

The Malta Conference, anyone?

GhostofJohnMuir posted:

i don't buy that ukrainian operatives are successfully infiltrating and destroying ammo depots on military bases. random industrial sites i could see being vulnerable, but no way russian base security could be that lax. it has to be either a missile strike or coincidence

Let me tell you about constantly waking up guards in South Korea, mere km from the border.

Guard duty sucks and is boring and is hard to do well all the time every time.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

gay picnic defence posted:

As funny as that would be I'm not sure it would win Ukraine a lot of friends in Europe if they cut the oil shipments before alternative sources had been found.

Maybe it's a reminder to Europe that there's a war going on very close to that pipeline and they might want to find those alternative sources sooner rather than later though.

pipelines are also relatively easy to fix, so if it gets blown up it's not going to be out of commission for long

madeintaipei
Jul 13, 2012

Ynglaur posted:

Let me tell you about constantly waking up guards in South Korea, mere km from the border.

Guard duty sucks and is boring and is hard to do well all the time every time.

"Pvt. Kimball, wake the gently caress UP! Kim, keep up the good work. Put your dick back in your trousers, but good work nonetheless!"

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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Taco Defender

OddObserver posted:

https://twitter.com/EvgenyFeldman/status/1518254719231221760

Some theater production of "12 chairs" near Kaluga, Russia, added in Stalin saying "the West will never force Russia to its knees!".

I read this as irony. It's irony, right?

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




piL posted:

I read this as irony. It's irony, right?

Well, how do I tell you this…

PerilPastry
Oct 10, 2012
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1518569925639553026?s=20&t=ZEePGdB1dlR8YY1JyW_i0w

I haven't been able to find a full/reliable transcription but supposedly he claimed western intelligence services were fomenting the plans, namechecking the CIA.

Anyway, I'm sure Solovyov will handle this supposed plot with the poise and detached demeanor he is already famous for.

Ynglaur
Oct 9, 2013

The Malta Conference, anyone?

madeintaipei posted:

"Pvt. Kimball, wake the gently caress UP! Kim, keep up the good work. Put your dick back in your trousers, but good work nonetheless!"

Actually they were civilian guards, often in their 60s. The ROK bases were better defended because they had ROK soldiers guarding them, amd ROK does not gently caress around.

If NATO can't send in operational units maybe South Korea could. Their mech forces are very good.

Ynglaur
Oct 9, 2013

The Malta Conference, anyone?

Scapegoat posted:

Yep in retrospect the pilot should have just landed and run away. You gotta admire the trigger discipline for the manpad operator.

I had the same thought re: fire discipline. He not only waited until flares were expended, he (she?) waited to see if the pause in flares was to bait him into firing early (it was), and he waited it out. He may have broke lock for a second and then reacquired to spook the pilot into launching remaining flares.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

PerilPastry posted:

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1518569925639553026?s=20&t=ZEePGdB1dlR8YY1JyW_i0w

I haven't been able to find a full/reliable transcription but supposedly he claimed western intelligence services were fomenting the plans, namechecking the CIA.

Anyway, I'm sure Solovyov will handle this supposed plot with the poise and detached demeanor he is already famous for.
They could be referring to his foreign villas which have mysteriously caught fire

Rapulum_Dei
Sep 7, 2009

PerilPastry posted:

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1518569925639553026?s=20&t=ZEePGdB1dlR8YY1JyW_i0w

I haven't been able to find a full/reliable transcription but supposedly he claimed western intelligence services were fomenting the plans, namechecking the CIA.

Anyway, I'm sure Solovyov will handle this supposed plot with the poise and detached demeanor he is already famous for.

It was all a misunderstanding, that Boris up on the 4th floor is such a character, he's forever pulling stuff like this.
One time he assassinated the weatherforecaster for runing his weekend fishing trip. Hah, anyway, no harm no foul, just blame decadent west as usual.

Dwesa
Jul 19, 2016

Maybe I'll go where I can see stars

PerilPastry posted:

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1518569925639553026?s=20&t=ZEePGdB1dlR8YY1JyW_i0w

I haven't been able to find a full/reliable transcription but supposedly he claimed western intelligence services were fomenting the plans, namechecking the CIA.

Anyway, I'm sure Solovyov will handle this supposed plot with the poise and detached demeanor he is already famous for.
Projection as usual, Russia now accusing 'the West' of murdering journalists.

Why would CIA assassinate Solovyov anyway? Isn't he simply a loud propagandist that sucks Putin?

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Dwesa posted:

Projection as usual, Russia now accusing 'the West' of murdering journalists.

Why would CIA assassinate Solovyov anyway? Isn't he simply a loud propagandist that sucks Putin?

For the purported neo-Nazi cabal, it would be an act of friendly fire anyway.

PerilPastry
Oct 10, 2012

Risky Bisquick posted:

They could be referring to his foreign villas which have mysteriously caught fire
I think this is the actual claim
https://twitter.com/MoscowTimes/status/1518594701569540100?s=20&t=erWviaVHqGjOeeeEZWK0OA

"A group of “neo-Nazis” were planning to kill Solovyov under the orders of Ukraine’s Security Services, according to an FSB statement. "

Dwesa posted:

Projection as usual, Russia now accusing 'the West' of murdering journalists.

Why would CIA assassinate Solovyov anyway? Isn't he simply a loud propagandist that sucks Putin?

They're not implicating the CIA that directly as far as I can tell. I think it's more a claim that the neo-nazis were acting under orders of Ukraine’s Security Services which in turn are allegedly being advised/sponsored by the CIA.

I don't know, it's hard to tell if Russia is claiming this nefarious plot was directed by Kiev or hatched by Langley.

https://twitter.com/inglobsang/status/1518572682106875905?s=20&t=erWviaVHqGjOeeeEZWK0OA

ummel
Jun 17, 2002

<3 Lowtax

Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/francska1/status/1518596830661066752

I'm the 3 copies of Sims 3 in the neo-nazi assassination squad go bag.

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

PerilPastry posted:

I think this is the actual claim
https://twitter.com/MoscowTimes/status/1518594701569540100?s=20&t=erWviaVHqGjOeeeEZWK0OA

"A group of “neo-Nazis” were planning to kill Solovyov under the orders of Ukraine’s Security Services, according to an FSB statement. "

They're not implicating the CIA that directly as far as I can tell. I think it's more a claim that the neo-nazis were acting under orders of Ukraine’s Security Services which in turn are allegedly being advised/sponsored by the CIA.

I don't know, it's hard to tell if Russia is claiming this nefarious plot was directed by Kiev or hatched by Langley.

https://twitter.com/inglobsang/status/1518572682106875905?s=20&t=erWviaVHqGjOeeeEZWK0OA

I have numerous questions regarding the confiscated possessions of cia nazi assassins

https://twitter.com/francska1/status/1518596830661066752?t=vad345k8Fzke97Qt4e2iKQ&s=19

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?
Thanks for removing any doubt about what's really going on, FSB

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
Should have at least went with portrait of Bandera and Yarosh business card or something.

Edit: Ukraine should totally open a case against FSB for forging Ukrainian passports.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

ummel posted:

https://twitter.com/francska1/status/1518596830661066752

I'm the 3 copies of Sims 3 in the neo-nazi assassination squad go bag.

Yes I also bring my Ukrainian passport when trying to assassinate people in Russia.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Edit: ^ :argh:

Everyone knows that spies carry half a dozen passports for the country they work for and no passports for the country they're targeting.

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Oh my god

https://twitter.com/AlexHazanov/status/1518600646026567682?t=cx0NgQIK_BbtivVXCSsclw&s=19

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

Djarum posted:

It is looking like either Ukrainian espionage units or western operatives in Russia striking. Both are incredibly likely. I would not be surprised that Russian resistance underground is being supported and armed for acts like this. I know during the Cold War that one of the plans was to arm and give intelligence to resistance fighters in the Warsaw Pact to do exactly this.

There is absolutely no way in hell its western operatives. It'd be dumb as poo poo to do when you've got perfectly good operatives right next door with a grudge to settle, native fluency in the language and culture, and training to do such things, and most of the operatives were probably burned during the Trump administration through either pure incompetence or complicity.

Gervasius
Nov 2, 2010



Grimey Drawer

Gone already

Owling Howl
Jul 17, 2019
What no laptop with a CIA sticker??

Sir John Falstaff
Apr 13, 2010

ummel posted:

https://twitter.com/francska1/status/1518596830661066752

I'm the 3 copies of Sims 3 in the neo-nazi assassination squad go bag.

The t-shirts are so new they still have creases from when they were packaged.

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Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa
I'm the blonde wig presumably used by Ukrainian CIA super Nazi assassins to disguise as women :biglips:

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