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cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




aphid_licker posted:

What kind, like traditional ones or new fantasy-themed ones?

Traditional. The most popular, by an enormously tall order, is Durak (“Fool”) - https://www.pagat.com/beating/podkidnoy_durak.html

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rscott
Dec 10, 2009
WRT to railroad vs boat transportation, it's roughly 3 times as expensive to ship a container via rail compared to a container ship. Ukraine also exported like 90% of their bulk goods via black sea ports so resolving the blockade is going to be really important for the long term prospects of Ukraine's economy, the infrastructure just isn't there to handle that kind of volume through trucks or rail

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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Taco Defender

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Traditional. The most popular, by an enormously tall order, is Durak (“Fool”) - https://www.pagat.com/beating/podkidnoy_durak.html


quote:

This game has no winner - only a loser

Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 5 days!)

aphid_licker posted:


E: was there a Soviet dungeons and dragons equivalent?

B&T: Bombshelters and TOS-1

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

rscott posted:

WRT to railroad vs boat transportation, it's roughly 3 times as expensive to ship a container via rail compared to a container ship. Ukraine also exported like 90% of their bulk goods via black sea ports so resolving the blockade is going to be really important for the long term prospects of Ukraine's economy, the infrastructure just isn't there to handle that kind of volume through trucks or rail

I wonder what this calculation is based on? Obviously truck is more costly than train and train is more costly than ship, so you want to minimize the distance from source to tracks and then from tracks to port. But most of the trip from Ukraine to North Africa and Lebanon is by sea, not to mention exports to China. In any case, doubling the distance to port is a problem. Maybe Elon Musk will offer to solve it by boring tunnels from Ukraine to Egypt and China.

citybeatnik
Mar 1, 2013

You Are All
WEIRDOS




Telsa Cola posted:

Yeah man there is a reason why the meme is I want to Believe in regards to the Ghost of Ukraine.

The real Ghost of Kyiv were the planes shot down along the way.

Alternatively, the gestalt intelligence of the sunflowers have been body-jacking pilots.

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

citybeatnik posted:

The real Ghost of Kyiv were the planes shot down along the way.

Alternatively, the gestalt intelligence of the sunflowers have been body-jacking pilots.

we shouldn't be hasty and count this out as a possibility, imo

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Herstory Begins Now posted:

we shouldn't be hasty and count this out as a possibility, imo

https://theaviationist.com/2022/04/30/ghost-of-kyiv-eventually-debunked/

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




Nenonen posted:

I wonder what this calculation is based on?

Having written about it in several threads. I’m not going to again. But it’s fuel efficiency and economies of scale. Basically consider each mode an order of magnitude more efficient in each step here: ship - train - truck - plane.

Doubling a distance by ship is still much better than switching mode to rail. There are also scales quantities of poo poo that is only feasible to move by vessel. Think about one grain ship carrying 66,000 MT, that’s 6-7 hundred car trains. A grain terminal can load that in like 1-3 days. How long does 700 rail cars take to load? Now think about ten ships. loading in 10-25 days. How long to load 60-70 hundred car trains?

There is a reason most big cities are near the coast.

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




Ukraine without a Black Sea port is a dead country eventually. It’s really really important in the long term.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

d64 posted:

This is not unusual, Russian planes have flown, usually fairly momentarily, into Finnish and likely Swedish airspace with some regularity for many years.

Happens in Canada a lot too. A Tu-95 or Tu-160 or two will just "randomly" "get lost" and just so happen to wind up a few miles off the coast over Nunavut or the North West Territories and our jets stationed in the north have to scramble and "politely" escort them the gently caress out of our airspace. The last time it happened was in 2020.

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

nine-gear crow posted:

Happens in Canada a lot too. A Tu-95 or Tu-160 or two will just "randomly" "get lost" and just so happen to wind up a few miles off the coast over Nunavut or the North West Territories and our jets stationed in the north have to scramble and "politely" escort them the gently caress out of our airspace. The last time it happened was in 2020.

Given the level of equipment and training on display in Ukraine the "getting lost" theory might actually be the correct one.

KitConstantine
Jan 11, 2013

ISW update and MAPS

https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1520528293698670594?s=20&t=zu5X_rpa203MgIB8rE0p9Q
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-april-30

quote:

Further Russian reinforcements to the Izyum axis are unlikely to enable stalled Russian forces to achieve substantial advances. Elements of unspecified Eastern Military District units and several air-defense assets are reportedly deploying from Belgorod to the Izyum front to support likely degraded Russian units attempting to advance south of the city. These forces are unlikely to enable Russian forces to break the current deadlock, as Russian attacks remain confined to two major highways (toward Slovyansk and Barvinkove) and cannot leverage greater numbers. Several successful Ukrainian counterattacks out of Kharkiv city in the last 72 hours have additionally recaptured a ring of suburbs north and east of the city and may additionally force Russian forces to redeploy units intended for the Izyum axis to hold these positions. Russian forces appear increasingly unlikely to achieve any major advances in eastern Ukraine, and Ukrainian forces may be able to conduct wider counterattacks in the coming days.
:getin:

quote:

    Key Takeaways

  • A Ukrainian counteroffensive out of Kharkiv City will likely alleviate pressure on parts of the city that have suffered the most from Russian shelling and may force Russian troops from Izyum to re-deploy northward to support forces maintaining the partial encirclement of Kharkiv.
  • Additional Russian forces are deploying to the Izyum front but are unlikely to enable any major advances.
  • Russian troops did not make any confirmed advances to the southwest or southeast of Izyum or to the west of the Donetsk-Luhansk frontline.
  • Russian forces in Kherson are pausing major offensive operations to improve their tactical positions and regroup to prepare for a renewed offensive to capture the administrative borders of Kherson.
  • Russian occupation forces in Mariupol announced plans to consolidate their control over the city and intend to return Ukrainian citizens forcibly deported into Russia at some point in the future.


Lotta recaptures by Ukraine around Kharkiv, not a lotta substantial gains by Russia anywhere else

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

The Kharkiv angle swing is super good. It pressures the rest of the fronts wing and could cause a salient to form on their belly that will expose a lot of troops to crossing fields of fire and arty coming from two sides at once.

Atreiden
May 4, 2008

Well here is a hot take on WW2, NATO and the war in Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/S_Zoppellaro/status/1520466277621456901

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Atreiden posted:

Well here is a hot take on WW2, NATO and the war in Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/S_Zoppellaro/status/1520466277621456901

Well someone just became persona non grata in Poland and the Baltics.

the popes toes
Oct 10, 2004

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Traditional. The most popular, by an enormously tall order, is Durak (“Fool”) - https://www.pagat.com/beating/podkidnoy_durak.html

It can be agreed that the player or team that loses most games has to pay a forfeit, such as crawling under the table and crowing like a cockerel.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Atreiden posted:

Well here is a hot take on WW2, NATO and the war in Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/S_Zoppellaro/status/1520466277621456901

Orsini has had a lot of hot takes. He's a go-to Russian apologist that TASS loves to quote.

quote:

During one of his TV appearances, Orsini claimed that "his grandfather had a happy childhood under the fascist regime" to justify why Ukrainian children should live under a Russian-led dictatorship rather than dying to bombs.

peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos

Bar Ran Dun posted:

Having written about it in several threads. I’m not going to again. But it’s fuel efficiency and economies of scale. Basically consider each mode an order of magnitude more efficient in each step here: ship - train - truck - plane.

Doubling a distance by ship is still much better than switching mode to rail. There are also scales quantities of poo poo that is only feasible to move by vessel. Think about one grain ship carrying 66,000 MT, that’s 6-7 hundred car trains. A grain terminal can load that in like 1-3 days. How long does 700 rail cars take to load? Now think about ten ships. loading in 10-25 days. How long to load 60-70 hundred car trains?

There is a reason most big cities are near the coast.

Just to add something to this, I do work for a company that imports to the UK from China, and over the past couple of years a shipping container has gone from around £2500 to £20,000 to get here

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
https://twitter.com/TheStanislawski/status/1520421209355296768

Pretty good write up of some of cultural history of language in Ukraine. It has a couple of mistakes I feel like pointing out (confusing Yiddish and Hebrew, and Poland with Austria-Hungary), but they are not actually material to the point of the thread.

(My own ancestor would have been speaking Yiddish before switching to Russian --- some of my grandparents would know Yiddish fully, my parents some, and I basically none at all).

Bashez
Jul 19, 2004

:10bux:

This seems overly rosy by a good amount. Russia is advancing and making moves, faster than this implies. I don't think they have the ability to finish a lot of what their attempting in the near-medium term either but repeatedly stating that the front is stalled doesn't match up with the regular captures by Russia.

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




peter gabriel posted:

Just to add something to this, I do work for a company that imports to the UK from China, and over the past couple of years a shipping container has gone from around £2500 to £20,000 to get here

The steamship lines were unprofitable for decades . The line handling saying (and pirate motto) is take what you can and give nothing back. They can be counted on to do that until the supply chain crisis ends to prepare for the next multi decade period of carrier unprofitability.

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


aphid_licker posted:

Dude looks like he had a collection of old 80s Dungeons and Dragons editions at home. RIP Russian nerd general

E: was there a Soviet dungeons and dragons equivalent?

Not really Soviet but Czechs had "draci doupe" or "dragon's den" in the late 80s/early 90s. Mostly a rip-off of the d&d boxset (the one with master rules etc.) but with some slavic mythology added.

The designers continued to refine it into a gurpsy sort of game the last time I cared (which was over 15 years ago).

Private Speech fucked around with this message at 14:30 on May 1, 2022

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Had no idea Russia's battle of Donbas losses were already so high. The fact that Russia hasn't already gone for full mobilization is insane. It's likely they are trying to lose. Ukraine has a two month lead on them now.

https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1520313948834353152
https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1520313952558895105

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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Bashez posted:

This seems overly rosy by a good amount. Russia is advancing and making moves, faster than this implies. I don't think they have the ability to finish a lot of what their attempting in the near-medium term either but repeatedly stating that the front is stalled doesn't match up with the regular captures by Russia.

ISW is one of the more accurate sources for on the ground conditions in Ukraine that exists. I would not doubt their “rosy” picture for Ukraine overly much.

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Mobilization would shatter the illusion of a peacekeeping special operation that internal propaganda keeps pushing AND judging by the state of Russian army organisation is not likely to be successful. Add to that the fact that getting reserves to be ready (good loving luck making my buddy Kirill who served ten years ago to remember how to drive a tank) would take about the same time that would need for good American lend lease poo poo to arrive at the frontlines.

I have always believed that Putin is very jealous of american military "adventures". He imitated W's anti-terrorist rhethoric while pacifying Chechnya, Syria has been a very American-like support of a client state with flexing of airpower and LDNR are basically a mockery of Kosovo. Project military might with professional army while not bothering population at home about it. Except of course, he and his cronies are incapable of perceiving reality anymore.

fatherboxx fucked around with this message at 02:10 on May 1, 2022

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

Bashez posted:

This seems overly rosy by a good amount. Russia is advancing and making moves, faster than this implies. I don't think they have the ability to finish a lot of what their attempting in the near-medium term either but repeatedly stating that the front is stalled doesn't match up with the regular captures by Russia.

ISW have been mostly on the money with their reporting so far. The thing they've been most wrong about is Mariupol falling "any day now" for like a month.

A lot of stuff passed around as a 'capture' seems to often be in reality just some recon units getting into a town rather than the actual front moving past the town.

The US and UK intelligence would have access to some pretty top notch satellite imagery of the fighting and they're saying pretty much the same thing. The consensus seems to be that Russia is making gains but very slowly (a kilometer or two a day - less than the range of an ATGM), at huge cost, while Ukrainian artillery sets about orc plinking.

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Charlz Guybon posted:

Had no idea Russia's battle of Donbas losses were already so high. The fact that Russia hasn't already gone for full mobilization is insane. It's likely they are trying to lose. Ukraine has a two month lead on them now.

https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1520313948834353152
https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1520313952558895105

It's notable that the 20% losses are typically seen as a near total loss of offensive capability in a unit. Given not all BTGs would be involved in the front line fighting the units that are on the front are likely getting mauled.

gay picnic defence fucked around with this message at 02:03 on May 1, 2022

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

Charlz Guybon posted:

Had no idea Russia's battle of Donbas losses were already so high. The fact that Russia hasn't already gone for full mobilization is insane. It's likely they are trying to lose. Ukraine has a two month lead on them now.

https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1520313948834353152
https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1520313952558895105
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackDetsch/status/1520413406930604032

:nms: second ka52 getting hit by a stugna ATGM
https://mobile.twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1520533369230086155

E: https://mobile.twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1520534490321457152

Risky Bisquick fucked around with this message at 03:05 on May 1, 2022

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

I guess the helicopter’s sensors picked up the guiding laser as it starts to descend as soon as the missile is launched but it obviously wasn’t fast enough.

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

Mr. Apollo posted:

I guess the helicopter’s sensors picked up the guiding laser as it starts to descend as soon as the missile is launched but it obviously wasn’t fast enough.

It looks like it only starts descending after the missile hits, you can see panels getting blown off it. I don't know if the laser from those beam riding missiles can be picked up by the sensors, isn't one of the advantages of that system that it is unjammable and undetectable?

There's a bit of tankie cope going around that it's fake too lol

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord
:nms:

UA Counter artillery fire destroys RU artillery
https://mobile.twitter.com/pmakela1/status/1520448583685844993

Rumour is Putin is going for cancer surgery soon, war could end if he ‘mysteriously’ dies.

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


[/quote]

Risky Bisquick posted:

:nms:

UA Counter artillery fire destroys RU artillery
https://mobile.twitter.com/pmakela1/status/1520448583685844993

Rumour is Putin is going for cancer surgery soon, war could end if he ‘mysteriously’ dies.

Hello counter battery radar. It’s like the Russians have not heard of the concept of counter battery fire.

Also, is it cancer, Parkinson’s, or space herpes? I’ve heard so many different stories, and I place faith in none of them.

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

gay picnic defence posted:

It looks like it only starts descending after the missile hits, you can see panels getting blown off it.
Yes you’re right. I initially thought that was debris from the missile launch.

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

ZombieLenin posted:

Hello counter battery radar. It’s like the Russians have not heard of the concept of counter battery fire.

Also, is it cancer, Parkinson’s, or space herpes? I’ve heard so many different stories, and I place faith in none of them.

From what I have read from Ukrainian artillerymen the Russians are quite good at counter battery work and say that they need to move on very quickly from their firing positions because Russian return fire is rapid.

It would be very Russian though to assume that the Ukrainians are incapable of dishing out counter battery fire of their own and doing no drills on how to avoid it. Or maybe they just had no idea it was coming because some Ukrainian was screaming into a captured Baofeng on the counter battery channel.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

ZombieLenin posted:

Also, is it cancer, Parkinson’s, or space herpes? I’ve heard so many different stories, and I place faith in none of them.

It's Ed Zachary Syndrome.

Monglo
Mar 19, 2015
How do we know Putins going for surgery and is sick again?

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

Monglo posted:

How do we know Putins going for surgery and is sick again?

Some twitter rando said so

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Another dawn is breaking in Kyiv, and it's still Ukrainian. :unsmith:

:ukraine:

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord
Uk tabloids picked it up, it’s not just a Twitter thread. Not worth linking because sources are weak, but who knows.

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peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos
He's got brain hemorrhoids

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