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Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:That sounds like the carrier Taiho - a single submarine torpedo hit caused an aviation fuel leak, and the crew's response was to crank up the ventilation to disperse the fumes, which worked, in the sense that the fumes were dispersed through the entire ship and promptly exploded. A ship named "Great Phoenix" immolating itself. Oddly poetic.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:sorry, should have been more specific, i mean the OG Crimean war in 1850s, basically the UK public realized most off the officers were upper class inbred twist who bought commissions and promotions and it led to mend under them getting slaughtered. the charge of the light brigade is a big example of it. where a bunch of inbred twits hosed around and found out. alot of it was more to do with bad communication techniques and the commandinger general being basicaly mush brained and made head commander because he was the secretary of wellington at waterloo. They didn't completely learn their lesson though, WW1 was a shitshow with much of the same problems. For all armies involved.
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https://twitter.com/noahbarkin/status/1522879968669224962 https://twitter.com/chenweihua/status/1522934979382374402 Nothing revelatory as Chinese thinking goes but it's a succinct reminder
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Reporting this post as Clancy chat; it has a “former” CIA spy named John Sipher in it.
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This is pretty good: https://twitter.com/BuddyYakov/status/1522718088797466624 The text is "Thanks to grandpa for the Victory" (a popular celebrating-WW2-victory slogan) and "May 9th"
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May 7, 2022 17:29
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Telsa Cola posted:It's a large fuckin boat in probably the most watched body of water on the planet. Someone would have spilled the beans by now if it sunk or was otherwise critically damaged. It's kinda funny that Russia didn't immediately deny it since they immediately denied it when their boat was sunk last time. I guess that's how you can tell if it happened, Russia doesn't deny rumors, just reality.
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May 7, 2022 17:33
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ronya posted:https://twitter.com/noahbarkin/status/1522879968669224962 quote:... The current crisis might not have escalated like in the past months.
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May 7, 2022 17:37
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ronya posted:https://twitter.com/noahbarkin/status/1522879968669224962 It's worth remembering that Russian disinformation efforts have shifted to the non-western world. The same broke brain intellectual input that created Offensive Realism is circulating in China. You're going to get similar takes talking to Brazilians or South Africans right now.
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Morrow posted:It's worth remembering that Russian disinformation efforts have shifted to the non-western world. The same broke brain intellectual input that created Offensive Realism is circulating in China. You're going to get similar takes talking to Brazilians or South Africans right now. How exactly is offensive realism pro-Russian?
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It's funny that he mentions the war in Iraq, I distinctly remember Rumsfeld (?) talking disparagingly about Old Europe.
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Posted about this last night, thankfully it seems like the exhibits were evacuated: https://twitter.com/BohdanaNeborak/status/1522833406379319297 And also this is a heck of a photo: https://twitter.com/Litteralis/status/1522935487505125376/photo/1
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Bomb the loving bridge. Convinced that this was a psyop to get Russian AA to Crimea while another, more important target is left exposed for the 9th of May
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May 7, 2022 18:12
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https://twitter.com/agents_media/status/1522921028372078593 Allegedly, an aunt of a sailor gone missing since the Moskva incident has identified him on the video released shortly afterwards. As in, his family is yet to hear from the guy.
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Phlegmish posted:It's funny that he mentions the war in Iraq, I distinctly remember Rumsfeld (?) talking disparagingly about Old Europe. Yeah Iraq is a terrible terrible example of what he's trying to prove. Also can't help but read wishful thinking in China at the idea that "naw surely all the smaller countries in a region wouldn't loathe the big huge one in the neighborhood?".
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https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=311571424489276&set=a.229159252730494 According to the daily UA General Staff update, Russians "lost control of" the town of Tsyrkuny, just north of Kharkiv. So Kharkiv counteroffensive continues. That's the only town mentioned as changing hands today in the update. E: this town was marked as under UA control yesterday by some twitter mapmakers like Nathan Ruser. Imo a good reminder that these mapmakers are don’t have access to the flawless reality and are making educated guesses quite a bit. smug n stuff fucked around with this message at 18:23 on May 7, 2022 |
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Grape posted:Yeah Iraq is a terrible terrible example of what he's trying to prove. I could maybe see the point if he's specifically talking about the (mostly) Eastern European countries that did support the war in Iraq, but as you say, it should be pretty obvious why they especially wouldn't like the precedent of Russia being allowed to invade and annex the territory of one of its neighbors. No need to involve American marching orders. Feels like they've been 'storming' it for days. Ukrainians putting up one hell of a fight, which makes sense since it's a highly defensible position. We should be keeping a close eye on Azovstal when they do finally surrender, given the Russians' track record of committing atrocities even against unarmed civilians. Phlegmish fucked around with this message at 18:26 on May 7, 2022 |
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Telsa Cola posted:It's a large fuckin boat in probably the most watched body of water on the planet. Someone would have spilled the beans by now if it sunk or was otherwise critically damaged. On the other hand, if the boat is so loving big, surely someone would've seen it sailing by now
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May 7, 2022 18:27
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Grape posted:Yeah Iraq is a terrible terrible example of what he's trying to prove. Speaking of which, Al Qaida chief seems to agree with the Chinese. https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/al-qaeda-chief-blames-us-ukraine-invasion-video-84561255 quote:Al-Qaida leader Ayman al-Zawahri made an appearance in a pre-recorded video to mark the 11th anniversary of the death of his predecessor Osama bin Laden.
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May 7, 2022 18:28
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Nenonen posted:Speaking of which, Al Qaida chief seems to agree with the Chinese. What's interesting is that it's actually coming from a subtly different angle; whereas the Chinese implied that the US hegemonically controls and dominates the entire Western world, he's mocking them for being too weak and inconsequential to defend their ally. I'm not particularly pro-American, but neither take seems correct to me.
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Pope Hilarius II posted:They didn't completely learn their lesson though, WW1 was a shitshow with much of the same problems. For all armies involved. As much as you can talk about the shitshow of WW1 tactics and strategy, the UK was the only major combatant in WW1 to not face a major mutiny during the war.
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Phlegmish posted:It's funny that he mentions the war in Iraq, I distinctly remember Rumsfeld (?) talking disparagingly about Old Europe. That remark is also widely quoted amongst Chinese pundits as evidence for its particular take on what a multipolar should look like, e.g., the analysis I linked a while ago mentions it ronya posted:https://twitter.com/StimsonCenter/status/1498368715909435395 quote:对美国来说，防止欧盟成为竞争者的最简单方法无疑是久经考验的“分而治之”黄金法则。只要欧洲仍处于分裂状态，美国就少了一个潜在的竞争对手。毫不意外，美国一直忙着在欧洲国家之间制造不和。拉姆斯菲尔德（Rumsfeld）臭名昭著地将“老欧洲”称为过去，而将“新欧洲”称为未来正反映了这一战略逻辑。通过在一些“新欧洲”国家到处安装军事基地，美国一直确保总会有一些欧洲国家更重视与美国的关系，而不是与欧盟的关系，从而毫不费力地将欧洲划分为两个阵营。更不用说，这样的战略也达到了遏制和羞辱俄罗斯的目的，从而进一步（或者永久地）分裂欧洲。 quote:For the US, the easiest way to prevent the EU from becoming a competitor is undoubtedly the tried-and-true golden rule of divide and conquer. As long as Europe remains divided, the United States has one less potential competitor. Not surprisingly, the United States has been busy sowing discord among European countries. Rumsfeld's notorious reference to "Old Europe" as the past and the "New Europe" as the future reflects this strategic logic. By installing military bases everywhere in some "new European" countries, the US has been making sure that there will always be some European countries that value their relationship more with the US than with the EU, thus effortlessly dividing Europe into two camps. Not to mention, such a strategy also serves the purpose of containing and humiliating Russia, thereby further (or permanently) dividing Europe. note the implication (heavily drawn based on 'coalition of the willing' inference) that France and Germany would, if they dominated Europe as China expects, form a happy entente with Russia to instruct the newly-minted countries of Eastern Europe to take "the opportunity to shut up", as if the duet of Chirac and Schröder still bestrode the halls of Brussels) partly it's just genuine popular confusion: there is a failure to absorb that contemporary Russia spends in the ballpark of the UK or France on its armed forces; it's not the Soviet Union flinging 18% of GDP at guns-not-butter on top of having all the armies of the rest of the Warsaw Pact at its disposal partly it's, well, Chirac and Schröder are not the respective leaders any more, and between the GFC, migrant crisis, and Brexit, the terms of European identity themselves have morphed greatly over time ronya fucked around with this message at 18:50 on May 7, 2022 |
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Phlegmish posted:What's interesting is that it's actually coming from a subtly different angle; whereas the Chinese implied that the US hegemonically controls and dominates the entire Western world, he's mocking them for being too weak and inconsequential to defend their ally. I'm not particularly pro-American, but neither take seems correct to me. The Al Qaeda guy is right though? Not that Iraq/Afghanistan put a significant dent into America's MIC but the clear reluctance to confront Russia earlier is what made Putin think he could get away with this invasion. Had this level of support existed after 2014, we wouldn't be talking about it right now. But instead everyone spent 8 years worrying about making Putin upset.
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mobby_6kl posted:The Al Qaeda guy is right though? Not that Iraq/Afghanistan put a significant dent into America's MIC but the clear reluctance to confront Russia earlier is what made Putin think he could get away with this invasion. I agree that there should have been this sort of reaction after the annexation of Crimea in 2014, but I wouldn't frame that as American weakness, i.e. an inability to influence anything. Caution and indecisiveness, maybe. Without wanting to take anything away from the Ukrainians, who obviously deserve most of the credit, I'd argue that we're seeing right now what happens when the West/NATO finally does decide to use a portion of its economic might to support a crucial ally. A few months in, and the situation in Ukraine has turned into a complete quagmire for the Russians.
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mobby_6kl posted:The Al Qaeda guy is right though? Not that Iraq/Afghanistan put a significant dent into America's MIC but the clear reluctance to confront Russia earlier is what made Putin think he could get away with this invasion. Eh, it's a weak and limited analysis. The reluctance to confront Russia had no direct connection with the occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq. Indirectly you can say the latter had an effect on the former (e.g. in popular support for world policing or the views on the effectiveness of spending billions on weak moraled local armies in Iraq and Afghanistan), but that is not what he is saying. Sure, if USA had done more in 2008 or 2014 or thereafter then maybe Kremlin would have been more reluctant to attack, but this too is a very simplistic and totally hindsighted view. The situation in 2014 was drastically different and had western powers suddenly started sending massive arms support to Ukraine, Russia might have escalated sooner, when Ukrainian army wasn't yet ready and the population would have been too divided to stand behind president Poroshenko. Then you would have had a disaster where Russia takes Kyiv and spreads propaganda videos of American equipment abandoned by demoralized Ukrainians. You could also say that USA should have declared war on Germany in September 1939 and made the war a lot shorter, but that would be a very ahistorical take.
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Nenonen posted:Eh, it's a weak and limited analysis. The reluctance to confront Russia had no direct connection with the occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq. Indirectly you can say the latter had an effect on the former (e.g. in popular support for world policing or the views on the effectiveness of spending billions on weak moraled local armies in Iraq and Afghanistan), but that is not what he is saying. The US completely flaked out of Syria, including not intervening when Russia and their allies crossed Obama's clearly stated red lines. This included breaking promises to their own allies. There's a certain degree of truth in saying that the US failures in Afghanistan and Iraq lead to US backing being so risk averse in Syria (not wanting an immediate third failure in a decade in the same part of the world), which in turn made it look like the US being weak and not able to protect their (non-European) allies. I think Syria is more important here than Crimea to be honest, when it comes to Putin's evaluation of how dangerous it would be to mess around further.
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Nothingtoseehere posted:As much as you can talk about the shitshow of WW1 tactics and strategy, the UK was the only major combatant in WW1 to not face a major mutiny during the war. What was the major mutiny in the US forces?  Besides did the British Expeditionary Force even receive the worst offensives of the western front? It seems like they mostly got off quite lightly on the northern flank, and in Middle East the Ottoman army just weren't a match. It also wasn't all peaceful in Britain, during war there were riots targetting German shopkeepers after Zeppelin raids and in 1919 a lot of tensions arose to view, including colonial troops unsatisfied with not being immediately sent back to home when the war ended. https://www.surreyinthegreatwar.org.uk/story/britain-on-the-brink-the-long-summer-of-unrest-in-1919/ quote:Perhaps of greatest concern to the Government was evidence of discontent and mutinous protest over conditions in British military camps and the apparent slowness of demobilisation. In the eyes of the Cabinet, there was a danger that soldiers were becoming ‘politicised’ and susceptible to ‘Communist’ agitation, and great pressure was brought to bear on local authorities to ensure demobilised soldiers regained their old jobs as quickly as possible. This was often bad news for women and ‘foreign’ labourers, who had become instrumental to the economy during the war. Moreover, local employers were not necessarily keen to re-employ large numbers of former soldiers, especially if they were now disabled from battle injuries. Unemployment among ex-service men thus remained high during 1919, and various marches and protests were staged by veterans’ associations, some of which turned disorderly.
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mobby_6kl posted:The Al Qaeda guy is right though? Not that Iraq/Afghanistan put a significant dent into America's MIC but the clear reluctance to confront Russia earlier is what made Putin think he could get away with this invasion. I mean, there are lots of reasons Putin thought he could get away with the invasion. Ukraine building up its military and making it more costly to invade in the future is one reason. I'm not sure if there was ever a time Russia could have permanently held onto Ukraine or the EU/US/NATO could have brought them into their envelope earlier without triggering an invasion.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Bomb the loving bridge. No, preferably when there is a column of Russian tanks on the bridge. Then the brave soldiers of the Army of the Russian Federation can begin their underwater special military operation against Neptune’s Kingdom, since Neptune blatantly supported the Ukrainian homonazis when he allowed the mighty Moskva to accidentally explode. This interference by a sea god was clearly due to the black magic employed by the Ukrainian Armed forces that TASS has been reporting.
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Nenonen posted:What was the major mutiny in the US forces? i mean... 'worst,' I don't know, that's a bit loaded, but i wouldnt really call the somme or ypres or passchendaele a walk in the park either. anyway lack of mutinies in the BEF probably has more to do with being a primary volunteer force more than anything else
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The french mutinies weren't really comparable at all to what happened elsewhere. It was a direct response to Nivelle hyping up his offensive and failing miserably. Further, the soldiers remained in their trenches and continued to defend. It was a specific response to throwing away lives in useless offensives.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:https://twitter.com/agents_media/status/1522921028372078593 I have suspected for a while that video was from some earlier event. Didn't the captain of the Moskva also appear in that video, despite being reported as "dead"?
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Wildeyes posted:Best news to come out of Mariupol in a while.
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Somaen posted:Convinced that this was a psyop to get Russian AA to Crimea while another, more important target is left exposed for the 9th of May Me too. I wish they'd be able to take out the bridge, but I don't just see it happening. Also why the gently caress would they announce it like that? smug n stuff posted:E: this town was marked as under UA control yesterday by some twitter mapmakers like Nathan Ruser. Imo a good reminder that these mapmakers are don’t have access to the flawless reality and are making educated guesses quite a bit. There's a lot of different ideas of when to mark area as controlled. Yesterday, there were reports from usually reliable sources that Ukrainian forward elements advanced as far as Lyptsi on the same road without being met with any resistance. However, this doesn't mean the same as: "Ukraine controls the road up to Lyptsi." UA General staff doesn't announce change of control unless they have actually canvassed the area. This is going take a while.
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