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Young Freud posted:I have suspected for a while that video was from some earlier event. Have there been interviews or VKontakte posts by sailors who survived? Ie are there known survivors? Or is it just complete radio silence?
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mobby_6kl posted:The Al Qaeda guy is right though? Not that Iraq/Afghanistan put a significant dent into America's MIC but the clear reluctance to confront Russia earlier is what made Putin think he could get away with this invasion. The reluctance to confront Russia had nothing to do with Iraq. There was a whole 50 year period before Iraq where the US was reluctant to confront Russia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Srqyd8B9gE&t=2958s
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gently caress my monkies Journalist Shura Burtin of Meduza wrote a terrific piece on the rationalization of the Special Operation. Filled to the brim with gold nuggets. Shura Burtin - posted:○ ○ ○ It is a very long read, several chapters. The Quality of Writing is just astounding. https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/05/03/feeling-around-for-something-human
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Bomb the loving bridge. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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FishBulbia posted:(snake island attack) Bit close there, #2....
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sofokles posted:It is a very long read, several chapters. The Quality of Writing is just astounding. This is just depressing to read. I don't know if there's hope for Russia.
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I think this is old but I like the clumsy translation: WE ARE SENT TO rear end! https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1522247844203311107?cxt=HHwWhsC93auWjqAqAAAA READ OP! War in Ukraine: WE ARE SENT TO rear end
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lilljonas posted:The US completely flaked out of Syria, including not intervening when Russia and their allies crossed Obama's clearly stated red lines. This included breaking promises to their own allies. There's a certain degree of truth in saying that the US failures in Afghanistan and Iraq lead to US backing being so risk averse in Syria (not wanting an immediate third failure in a decade in the same part of the world), which in turn made it look like the US being weak and not able to protect their (non-European) allies.  though of course, it would be foolish trying to pin point it to any particular moment. It was never going to be likely that USA would make a big presence in Syria, and there's limits to how much support can be given to rebel groups. Ukrainian army is not some insurgent militia either, so delivering material support to them is easier. Heck, if USA ever sent troops to Ukraine they could appeal to Russians acting in Syria. Another part is how the invasion of Iraq in 2003 gave Putin the view that might makes right, USA is using force against United Nations' will to build its own world order and therefore Russia is justified or even required to do the same.But ultimately it all comes down to Putin being a stagnation era Soviet revanchist KGB officer. Regardless of what the west was doing, he would be poisoning his opponents and using military threat to keep what he considers his backyard under control.
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Phlegmish posted:This is just depressing to read. I don't know if there's hope for Russia. I'm not sure, a lot of what's said is similar to what Americans were saying about Iraq 20 years ago. Obviously a lot of things are different this time around, but the general rhetoric (talk of "liberation" followed by some slur) is very similar. With Americans, that rhetoric felt like a way to deal with humiliation and fear following 9/11. With Russia, the humiliation and the fear that was built up in the 90s was never dealt with, and now it's being weaponised in the same way that the 9/11 attacks were by the Bush administration.
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Phlegmish posted:This is just depressing to read. I don't know if there's hope for Russia.
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Morrow posted:It's worth remembering that Russian disinformation efforts have shifted to the non-western world. The same broke brain intellectual input that created Offensive Realism is circulating in China. You're going to get similar takes talking to Brazilians or South Africans right now. Also, Chinese analysts are just used to thinking in autocratic terms. Of course there's always a boss country and then follower countries that's how it works.
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Storkrasch posted:I'm not sure, a lot of what's said is similar to what Americans were saying about Iraq 20 years ago. Obviously a lot of things are different this time around, but the general rhetoric (talk of "liberation" followed by some slur) is very similar. I think it’s a mistake to compare it to Iraq rhetoric uncritically. While yes there are similarities and no this does not excuse it, Americans being easy to hoodwink about the situation on the ground halfway across the globe is at least more plausible than deploying the same rhetoric against your literal next door neighbors whom you know very well.
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d64 posted:When I first learnt that most Russians are strongly behind the invasion, I thought that there must be some element of consentual ignorance. Most Russians definitely realize that not everything on TV is true, so why do they choose to believe the story on the war then? Those interviews draw a pretty stark picture; people can only go along with the official story since facing the facts - which are horrendous and go against much of how they see themselves as a people - is too much. It's not a matter of weighing up the facts and applying reason, it's more this dogged belief that my team is best so I'll repeat whatever convenient talking point I get served. See boomers/Trump. It has to be based on a pretty solid foundation of propaganda though. Boomers and Russians share the propaganda-fed viewpoint of "all the trouble I feel is due to liberals/the West".
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Storkrasch posted:I'm not sure, a lot of what's said is similar to what Americans were saying about Iraq 20 years ago. Obviously a lot of things are different this time around, but the general rhetoric (talk of "liberation" followed by some slur) is very similar. How to control popular opinion must be a well studied phenomenon given how it's been truly emphasized since WW2, and arguably even longer. Turns out this can be done even in a democracy, especially if something catalystic (like the 9/11) happens, but it is much easier when there is just one party pulling the strings and all media are echoing that party's message. Even totalitarian states where there is only one truth are vulnerable to unrest, but riot police helps there, to a point. As long as you have a living, you can live with the lie rather than die for the truth. We definitely should never trust that we are some independent philosophers watching the world from the safety of our own ivory tower. We all are subject to the same psychological and social pressures and don't think logically much of the time, if even that. In fact life would be very difficult if we always sought conclusive evidence to support our actions, so we automate some of those processes.
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The backing music is a banger. Are the Russians just repeatedly sending men / equipment onto the island so they can get destroyed like that airfield and the artillery??
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Holy poo poo that's incredible footage. This is what, the fourth separate strike against assets on that island in the last 2 days? The battle for Snake Island is really intense, I clearly underestimate the strategic value of this location. Does anyone understand why it's so contested? The only thing I can think is that it's important to the blockade of Odessa.
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Captain Oblivious posted:I think it’s a mistake to compare it to Iraq rhetoric uncritically. While yes there are similarities and no this does not excuse it, Americans being easy to hoodwink about the situation on the ground halfway across the globe is at least more plausible than deploying the same rhetoric against your literal next door neighbors whom you know very well. It's not so much the lack of understanding of what's going on on the ground I mean, but e.g. talking about liberation, democracy and glassing the desert in the same breath. It's surprising that it works as well as it does given the history of Ukraine and Russia, but I don't feel like Russians (or Americans at the time) are thinking about these things rationally, they are very emotional times. America at the time needed to be seen as being strong and capable of getting revenge, and I think Russians feel similarly now. The difference is, I guess, that for Russians the feeling of humiliation has been festering and stoked by propaganda for over 20 years. poor waif fucked around with this message at 22:20 on May 7, 2022 |
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Can you imagine the Russian forces on snake island. First the SAM gets destroyed, followed by the zsu-23-2. The next day they hit the new SAM system as it’s being offloaded from the landing boat which destroys both. At night now they get bombed by su27s doing low level bombing runs from <1000 ft  Worst deployment
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Apparently this happened: https://twitter.com/IntelDoge/status/1523026035423514624 https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/british-youtube-star-rich-arrested-baikonur-cosmodrome-russia-2022-05-07/
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Sir John Falstaff posted:Apparently this happened: This guy. I liked his videos a lot and then I read about him... Woops. I know he hung out with a Nazi dude that has the same gimmick.
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Sir John Falstaff posted:Apparently this happened: This is another case of what I've come to describe as "Mad Libs News". A story or event that doesn't sound so much like reality as much as it does the result of a bored headline writer playing Mad Libs. What in the gently caress was he ever doing there?
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Chalks posted:Holy poo poo that's incredible footage. This is what, the fourth separate strike against assets on that island in the last 2 days? If you put down SAM launchers there and on the west of the Crimea you can lock down the entire Black Sea airspace around Ukraine's south. That's especially important if you just lost one of your primary air defense ships.
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Beast posted:Are the Russians just repeatedly sending men / equipment onto the island so they can get destroyed like that airfield and the artillery?? As Cinci's grandparents told him, "You shouldn't sit on a rock".
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:This guy. I liked his videos a lot and then I read about him... Woops. I know he hung out with a Nazi dude that has the same gimmick. I honestly don't know much about him beyond what has been posted in these threads, but he sounds like he must be a colossal idiot if he decided now was a good time to go on a sightseeing tour of sensitive Russian missile launch sites as a UK citizen.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:This is another case of what I've come to describe as "Mad Libs News". A story or event that doesn't sound so much like reality as much as it does the result of a bored headline writer playing Mad Libs. British spy doing spy things.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:This is another case of what I've come to describe as "Mad Libs News". A story or event that doesn't sound so much like reality as much as it does the result of a bored headline writer playing Mad Libs. presumably trying to do some pua poo poo to a cosmonaut.
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Antigravitas posted:If you put down SAM launchers there and on the west of the Crimea you can lock down the entire Black Sea airspace around Ukraine's south. That's especially important if you just lost one of your primary air defense ships. Do the larger Russian ships have their own AA or was the Moskva the only source of that besides land based batteries? Presumably the only reason Ukraine would care about opening up the airspace over the Black Sea is to threaten the warships blockading Odessa, or are there other reasons they'd be wanting access to the airspace over the Black Sea?
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Charlotte Hornets posted:British spy doing spy things. Yeah, no chance. You don't use a Youtube dude with millions of followers as a spy. That would be idiotic beyond even the CIA's capabilities.
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Charlotte Hornets posted:British spy doing spy things. Yeah unfortunately this sex tourist and deadbeat is not a spy. I mean hes kind of pro Russia I think?
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Beast posted:The backing music is a banger. Beast posted:Are the Russians just repeatedly sending men / equipment onto the island so they can get destroyed like that airfield and the artillery?? Nobody wants to be the general that has to tell Putin he can't have Snake Island
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Bald and bankrupt had to apologize on Chechen national TV after calling Chechen women beautiful (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Yeah, no chance. You don't use a Youtube dude with millions of followers as a spy. That would be idiotic beyond even the CIA's capabilities. It was obvious sarcasm. lol @ if they send him to the slammer or penal colony for 10 years just because Boris has been pouring billions worth of military equipment into Ukraine
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Chalks posted:Holy poo poo that's incredible footage. This is what, the fourth separate strike against assets on that island in the last 2 days? Here's a little map to visualize this. The circle C around the Snake Island has a radius of 35 kilometers, the range of a Buk AA missile, for reference. Tiraspol is the capital of rebel Transnistrian province of Moldova. Constanta is the biggest port of Romania.  Also worth noting that just a few days ago Russia hit the one bridge from Odesa to the south of the Dnestre estuary. They are trying to take that bridge out to isolate the area. It can't be ruled out that Russia would try a landing there, which subsequently means that Ukraine needs to keep it defended. Those Bayraktars and Sukhois that hit Snake Island could also be hitting targets elsewhere if Russians didn't keep presence there.
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NATO doesn't know how screwed it is, Russia is the first country in the world to develop the first quantum battleship.
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FishBulbia posted:Bald and bankrupt had to apologize on Chechen national TV after calling Chechen women beautiful I'd like a link to this.
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Charlotte Hornets posted:New grim doc from Vice from near Kyiv and Sievierodonetsk That's a very powerful piece of reporting. But it covers some very hosed up human situations, have tissues handy.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I'd like a link to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVy2EYuVyF4
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Atreiden posted:I mean there is this. Russia's idiot naval commanders are making the floor of the Black Sea too crowded.
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