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MonsterEnvy posted:Reminds me of the mutation of the Bradley Fighting Vehicle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXQ2lO3ieBA&t=421s So the thing with this? This here? This is a lie made up by James Burton, because he was mad that his Blitzfighter design, a radar-less treetop level attacker armed with only 30mm cannons was rejected. The problem with The Pentagon Wars is that its only Burton's side of the story, and he is blatantly lying to make himself look better. Such as lying in the movie about the Bradley Program's cost (Initially budgeted at 12 Billion Dollars, it came out to around 8 Billion Dollarsr), the famous "Bradley Evolution" scene, in which Burton gets an earlier program (that was cancelled) to replace the M113 confused with the Bradley Program (The Bradley was initially designed to have a turret, being an IFV), and also the fact that Burton just doesn't loving know what an IFV is or the point of the tests being done. The tests the army wanted done weren't "blow up the Bradley". They knew that anti-tank munitions would blow it up. It's an IFV, not a tank. The point was to see the effects of munitions on a level beyond "Blow it up"- hence stuff like replacing gunpowder with sand and fuel with water, because they wanted to see the effects of penetration and damage on the fighting compartment. As for the IFV part- the M113 is an APC. Its meant to carry men into battle, and then get out of there. The Bradley is an IFV- it's meant to carry a smaller amount of men into battle (Which was fine, because US Doctrine at the time had squad sizes that the Bradley could carry) while having the heavy armament to support them and provide fire support. The problem with all of the so called Combat Reformers, like Pierre Sprey and Burton and Mike Sparks and Blacktail Design, is that they claim to know better than anyone else and also that any military technology from after 1960 is a useless boondoggle, while not recognizing the numerous changes to warfare that have happened since WW2. That and being funded by the Kremlin to go onto Russia Today and talk about how BAD AND OVERRELIANT ON TECHNOLOGY AMERICAN WEAPONS ARE and HOW RUGGED AND RELIABLE RUSSIAN STUFF IS because THE WEST IS SO CORRUPT AND RUSSIA IS FREE OF CORRUPTION IN MILITARY PROCUREMENT. Fivemarks fucked around with this message at 08:03 on May 8, 2022 |
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May 8, 2022 07:56
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So no fries then? Please drive around.
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chiasaur11 posted:You ever looked up the safety records for any plane that isn't the F-35? I don't think anyone's envying the ultimately over-a-trillion dollars wasted just to get it to work, and it doesn't even do any of it's functions particularly well. Hell it still has software problems that Lockheed swore they would fix last year with just another few billion dollars and an exclusive contract. The F-35 is mostly just a grift machine that always needs more contracts and more money and we'll have it all fixed up this time we swear. The Star Citizen of jets.
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May 8, 2022 08:27
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muike posted:The MP Zeta still transforms, the MP ZZ removes the transformation in favor of pure firepower. That's why the Zeta Plus rules. Also cuz there's like 45 different Zeta plus models I'm not a fan of the Zeta Pluses, mostly because as you said there's like a billion of them and at some point I'm just like who cares, use a different suit you guys oh my God. Also the grey color scheme is rear end.
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May 8, 2022 08:36
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Yinlock posted:I don't think anyone's envying the ultimately over-a-trillion dollars wasted just to get it to work, and it doesn't even do any of it's functions particularly well. Hell it still has software problems that Lockheed swore they would fix last year with just another few billion dollars and an exclusive contract. Everything I've seen from pilots, procurement specialists, mechanics, and anyone else who actually got an up-close view of the final product has fallen somewhere between guarded optimism and outright gushing. Meanwhile, most of the people poo poo-talking the program also have been the ones upselling Russia's military procurement, and, well... that hasn't aged well.
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chiasaur11 posted:Everything I've seen from pilots, procurement specialists, mechanics, and anyone else who actually got an up-close view of the final product has fallen somewhere between guarded optimism and outright gushing. The response I've seen has fallen between really safe PR-speak and openly  e: we should probably end the derail here or take it to c-spam or wherever though, the only thing I know for sure is that nobody but us gives a poo poo about this gundam-thread-wise Yinlock fucked around with this message at 08:41 on May 8, 2022 |
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Yinlock posted:I'm not a fan of the Zeta Pluses, mostly because as you said there's like a billion of them and at some point I'm just like who cares, use a different suit you guys oh my God. That's what makes them rule! They're almost all painted with primer and their gimmick is like "does atmospheric reentry solo" or "has big gun that sucks" or in the case of taskforce alpha "has leftover cool stuff from S gundam and/or fueltanks since it's no longer atmospheric"
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muike posted:That's what makes them rule! They're almost all painted with primer and their gimmick is like "does atmospheric reentry solo" or "has big gun that sucks" or in the case of taskforce alpha "has leftover cool stuff from S gundam and/or fueltanks since it's no longer atmospheric" When you put it that way the halfassedness of it does give them a certain charm
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muike posted:The MP Zeta still transforms, the MP ZZ removes the transformation in favor of pure firepower. That's why the Zeta Plus rules. Also cuz there's like 45 different Zeta plus models The actual unit called "Mass Production Zeta Type", another unit from UC0094: Across the Sky (though both originated in MSV) can't actually transform. The Zeta Plus can, but then, so can the Theta Plus modelled on the ZZ Gundam. Which is an obvious counterpart to the ZZ and Zeta Plus, the way the Zeta Plus is to the original Zeta. Theta being the production code name for the ZZ Gundam, and the Theta Plus even has the same color scheme as the original Zeta Plus (mostly grey with purple feets). There's only one style of them for the moment, but I wouldn't be shocked if more start turning up in the next few years. It's a unit being piloted by a significant character in Moon Gundam too, so if that gets animated, then so will the Theta Plus. tsob fucked around with this message at 13:18 on May 8, 2022 |
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Yinlock posted:I'm not a fan of the Zeta Pluses, mostly because as you said there's like a billion of them and at some point I'm just like who cares, use a different suit you guys oh my God. Kamille was the one who designed the Zeta, right? Is Anaheim even paying him royalties for all the derivative suits they came up with based on his blueprints? Though it would also be completely in-character for Anaheim to just steal his design for themselves, I suppose.
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Anaheim's actions are perfectly normal once you get an understanding of what a shitshow military procurement is normally. For all the issues the F-35 development has had, the older Eurofighter 2000 had similar problems with similarly long development all to produce a plane that cost more and was less powerful than it's contemporary F-22. Even that program resulted in a more effective end product than the typical Canadian military procurement, and Canadian military procurement is still way less corrupt than Indian military procurement. Basically, war is graded on a curve, and the curve is really really big. Anaheim probably manages to stick around because as bad as they are, all their competitors are even worse. And yes, you can always get even more corrupt and even more incompetent.
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amigolupus posted:Kamille was the one who designed the Zeta, right? Is Anaheim even paying him royalties for all the derivative suits they came up with based on his blueprints? Though it would also be completely in-character for Anaheim to just steal his design for themselves, I suppose. Given that kamille is technically a minor, any royalty fees he was eligible for probably got macaulay culkin’d by whoever his technical legal guardian was, who given the cast of zeta was probably *checks notes* oh no
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May 8, 2022 16:48
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I don't even know which character you're talking about at the point I'm at in Zeta, but agreed.
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May 8, 2022 16:51
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Waffleman_ posted:I don't even know which character you're talking about at the point I'm at in Zeta, but agreed. It genuinely doesn't matter - literally every possible answer is an 'oh, no'.
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May 8, 2022 16:55
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Darth Walrus posted:It genuinely doesn't matter - literally every possible answer is an 'oh, no'. Bright is an oh no?
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May 8, 2022 16:57
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Given what we see of Mirai's home life in Char's Counterattack, and how Hathaway turned out in general? Yeah, Bright's probably not the best with money or at being an example to young men.
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May 8, 2022 17:26
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Oh wow Four is exceptionally 1985 in design
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May 8, 2022 18:09
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Zeta is full of women with incredibly 80's hair and I love it.
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There he is! There's Hathaway! From the Netflix! E: I'm Kamille and I'm gonna make a cool landing on this dock oh poo poo it is in fact a very large robot with jets in the water i go Waffleman_ fucked around with this message at 18:49 on May 8, 2022 |
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May 8, 2022 18:11
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How many good dads are there in Gundam? Rustal is definitely above average when it comes to father figures, which says a lot about how dire the options are for father figures in Gundam.
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golden bubble posted:How many good dads are there in Gundam? Rustal is definitely above average when it comes to father figures, which says a lot about how dire the options are for father figures in Gundam.
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Relena and Lacus's dads are both good men who get assassinated by political opponents. Domon's dad is a good man.
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tsob posted:Given what we see of Mirai's home life in Char's Counterattack, and how Hathaway turned out in general? Yeah, Bright's probably not the best with money or at being an example to young men. tbf Bright's more absentee than actively awful, which sadly probably makes him the best dad of the Zeta crew. Marin Karin posted:Zeta is full of women with incredibly 80's hair and I love it. Zeta and ZZ are just overwhelmingly 80s outfits: the series
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golden bubble posted:How many good dads are there in Gundam? Rustal is definitely above average when it comes to father figures, which says a lot about how dire the options are for father figures in Gundam. Sei has a good dad in Build Fighters, he’s just never home because he’s a gunpla interpol agent. Hiroto’s dad in Re:rise is also a pretty good dad. Zinnerman from Unicorn was a decent enough adoptive dad for Marida I think.
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Domon Kasshu's dad would've been pretty good if he didn't get himself frozen
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Yinlock posted:Zeta and ZZ are just overwhelmingly 80s outfits: the series A lot of people I've met don't like Haman's ZZ outfit but I love it, or at least the pictures I've seen of it since I have not seen ZZ
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3 posted:Sei has a good dad in Build Fighters, he’s just never home because he’s a gunpla interpol agent. Hiroto’s dad in Re:rise is also a pretty good dad. Zinnerman isn't just an excellent Gundam Dad in difficult circumstances, he's an excellent Gundam Dad who survives going out of his way to be a positive parental figure. That's pretty much unheard of in the franchise.
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NikkolasKing posted:A lot of people I've met don't like Haman's ZZ outfit but I love it, or at least the pictures I've seen of it since I have not seen ZZ I could leave the headgear but the rest of it is okay. Her Zeta look is better though.
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Darth Walrus posted:Zinnerman isn't just an excellent Gundam Dad in difficult circumstances, he's an excellent Gundam Dad who survives going out of his way to be a positive parental figure. That's pretty much unheard of in the franchise. Zinnerman spends the first half of Unicorn using his surrogate daughter as a weapon in service to his personal quest for revenge for the deaths of his original family. He comes around on it, but at the start of the show he's close to as much of a poo poo father as Banagher's dad is. Kanos fucked around with this message at 20:56 on May 8, 2022 |
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Waffleman_ posted:Oh wow Four is exceptionally 1985 in design Yeah, Four owns. She's one of my favorite designs in the entire franchise.
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Kanos posted:Zinnerman spends the first half of Unicorn using his surrogate daughter as a weapon in service to his personal quest for revenge for the deaths of his original family. He comes around on it, but at the start of the show he's close to as much of a poo poo father as Banagher's dad is. Eh, I think that's a little harsh. He's giving her a job in a field she's extremely good at, and he seems to both look out for her on the battlefield (inasmuch as she needs it) and make sure she has a pleasant life outside it. One of the tragedies of Unicorn is that there just aren't many career options for people outside the Federation-Zeon forever war, so Marida being an exalted ace pilot with a loving, supportive adoptive family is honestly a pretty sweet deal.
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:Given that kamille is technically a minor, any royalty fees he was eligible for probably got macaulay culkin’d by whoever his technical legal guardian was, who given the cast of zeta was probably *checks notes* oh no I'm choosing to read this as Quattro. I know it's a very vanilla reading, but lol the idea of Char financing his war against the Federation via Federation military contracts for the ReGZ is hilarious.
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I dunno man marida does kinda die while piloting a robot so I can't say "let the kid continue piloting the death machine to fulfill my personal goals" was exactly acting in her best interests
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Yinlock posted:tbf Bright's more absentee than actively awful, which sadly probably makes him the best dad of the Zeta crew. Some of it's cultural, but in general Bright is shown to be a halfway decent dad, despite his absences. Hathaway seems to respect him, Bright breaks down sobbing when he thinks of the family time he missed, and the Japanese show shorthand for "this man is always at work... Because he needs to provide for his family!" seems to be in play. Even ignoring the curve, he's at least getting a C. Maybe a C minus.
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Forget dads. Bellri's mom is the greatest of all time. Let's shout her out on this mothersday
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Meanwhile poor Cecily has two dads and they both suck
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chiasaur11 posted:Some of it's cultural, but in general Bright is shown to be a halfway decent dad, despite his absences. Hathaway seems to respect him, Bright breaks down sobbing when he thinks of the family time he missed, and the Japanese show shorthand for "this man is always at work... Because he needs to provide for his family!" seems to be in play. Even ignoring the curve, he's at least getting a C. Maybe a C minus. Bright is also doing his level best at stopping his family having to live under space fascists, we add extra credit for that
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drrockso20 posted:Meanwhile poor Cecily has two dads and they both suck On the other hand, Seabook's dad is actaully pretty cool, for the short time he's around. I just remember being impressed at him ramping a moped off some rubble, before jetpacking off it to flamethrower a Crossbone Vanguard pilot through the open cockpit when he realizes he's heard Seabook and wants to save him mid battle; which is some seriously badass poo poo. Which I find all the more delightful given that Seabook's dad is just so...normal looking, with a bit of a gut and receding hairline. The fact his name is Leslie might explain it though; probably had some Kamille style anger issues when he was younger he's paying off with action now.
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