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Tuna-Fish posted:Er, no, this is pure pragmatism. Note that Belarus isn't saying they are going to attack NATO. They are saying that NATO is dangerous and therefore the entire Belarusian military is currently urgently needed to defend against it, by having it sit across it along the border. Was about to post this. Makes more sense than anything else, imo. gotta be ready for the perfidious Finn to sweep across the land.
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Tuna-Fish posted:Er, no, this is pure pragmatism. Note that Belarus isn't saying they are going to attack NATO. They are saying that NATO is dangerous and therefore the entire Belarusian military is currently urgently needed to defend against it, by having it sit across it along the border. One of the funnier and less directly tragic parts of this war has been watching Luka's frantic attempts to tapdance on a tightrope between Putin and the West. It's honestly sorta impressive how long he's managed to keep up this "I'm totally on your side Putin but oh man I got a real bad bellyache right now I couldn't possibly join your war but I'm completely rooting for you!" act.
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MrYenko posted:Hiding your military comms inside civilian walkie talkie traffic is amazing maskirova. Honestly, this makes me really mad. THIS is what the west spent 80 years and trillions in military expenditures to be ready for... (The first 50 years of that perhaps wasn't super silly.) The Americans have no free healthcare in order to be prepared to face off against an adversary that makes their pilots crowd sourcing walkie-talkies. It beggars belief.
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We can afford both healthcare and the military spending, funny meme aside. I wouldn't worry too much about that.
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Tomn posted:One of the funnier and less directly tragic parts of this war has been watching Luka's frantic attempts to tapdance on a tightrope between Putin and the West. It's honestly sorta impressive how long he's managed to keep up this "I'm totally on your side Putin but oh man I got a real bad bellyache right now I couldn't possibly join your war but I'm completely rooting for you!" act. I liked the Belarusian special forces operation in Ukraine that definitely happened and was so perfectly pulled off that they left zero evidence behind.
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Killer-of-Lawyers posted:We can afford both healthcare and the military spending, funny meme aside. I wouldn't worry too much about that. Yeah, if we switch to single payer we could pay for the DOD and healthcare and still save money.
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Crow Buddy posted:Honestly, this makes me really mad. THIS is what the west spent 80 years and trillions in military expenditures to be ready for... (The first 50 years of that perhaps wasn't super silly.) Yeah, it's very obvious that NATO is looking at this and pouring weapons, ammunition, material support into and sharing intelligence with Ukraine because they want to push Russia's poo poo in so hard and deep they don't come back for a few decades, if at all. It's like finding the big bad bully threatening the neighborhood has a glass jaw and, after getting knocked down by his latest prey, the whole neighborhood wants to keep him down and learn some humility.
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Crow Buddy posted:Honestly, this makes me really mad. THIS is what the west spent 80 years and trillions in military expenditures to be ready for... (The first 50 years of that perhaps wasn't super silly.) The Cold War sucked super bad for a huge list of reasons, but to be fair the Soviet Army was a completely different thing from the current Russian one. It was like an order of magnitude bigger for one thing, and back in 1976 the T-64 and T-72 were much newer designs than they are in goddamn 2022 lol
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sean10mm posted:The Cold War sucked super bad for a huge list of reasons, but to be fair the Soviet Army was a completely different thing from the current Russian one. It was like an order of magnitude bigger for one thing, and back in 1976 the T-64 and T-72 were much newer designs than they are in goddamn 2022 lol The T-64 is a good tank in 2022. But to your point, the Soviet Armed Forces were far more prepared and scary than the current Armed Forces of the Russian Federation; however, they were never as good as the smaller and mostly professional NATO Armed Forces.
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Young Freud posted:Yeah, it's very obvious that NATO is looking at this and pouring weapons, ammunition, material support into and sharing intelligence with Ukraine because they want to push Russia's poo poo in so hard and deep they don't come back for a few decades, if at all. I’m sure that Russia will exist as an intact polity when the dust settles. Anybody saying otherwise is dreaming a little too hard imo. But I also don’t know how they could ever hope to rebuild their military to even February 2022 levels. So much of their material seems to be USSR hand-me-downs, and I have trouble seeing any route to anything close to military parity in the field with its regional power neighbors like Poland much less superpowers like the US and, I guess, China There’s always the nuclear option, but the less said about it, the better. It’s why I think Russia’s borders will remain pretty static regardless.
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Young Freud posted:Yeah, it's very obvious that NATO is looking at this and pouring weapons, ammunition, material support into and sharing intelligence with Ukraine because they want to push Russia's poo poo in so hard and deep they don't come back for a few decades, if at all. I think their concern is way more practical than that. Russia has no chance of taking Kiev directly, but they still could take away the country's coast and therefore choke it into submission in the long term (and probably still would if NATO stopped shipping in weapons). Then the next war happens on Poland or Romania's borders. Making sure that Ukraine survives costs very little but means they have a nice buffer and don't have to fight that war at home.
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ZombieLenin posted:The T-64 is a good tank in 2022. The french had a stronger cavalry corps than the germans too. It didn't matter, that wasn't how the war was going to be fought.
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Young Freud posted:Yeah, it's very obvious that NATO is looking at this and pouring weapons, ammunition, material support into and sharing intelligence with Ukraine because they want to push Russia's poo poo in so hard and deep they don't come back for a few decades, if at all. It’s probably of some benefit to them if Russia is too loving ruined to start poo poo in Europe for several decades so the west can focus their efforts on China without needing to worry too much about the eastern border of Europe.
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Secret mobilization rumblings https://mobile.twitter.com/wiinterbere/status/1525949551542140931 Azov singing Kalush under bombardment at azovstal https://mobile.twitter.com/Kozatsky_D/status/1525863297123332096 Multiple sources reporting the same thing, kadryovites are highly important for prisoner swaps https://mobile.twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1525917006070939648 Re-Installing the international border pole that was removed by rashists https://mobile.twitter.com/HillridgeOSINT/status/1525943319997689856 Risky Bisquick fucked around with this message at 02:43 on May 16, 2022 |
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This sounds absolutely dire. (e:fb) https://twitter.com/ABarbashin/status/1525947831525199872?s=20&t=POf2vyGqllp8zEI4Vd0uHQ 44-year olds, dude And it's a voluntary conscription, too, but if they're politely asking for 40-50yos, I doubt they'll get many takers and whoever they get are likely going to be worn the gently caress out.
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They were rumoured to be deploying 2500 reservists, who knows what experience or age. 44 isn’t that bad considering they are forcibly mobilizing 60 year olds from the Donbas. Anyone that can hold a Mosin, super yikes
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Why?? It’s not like they’re effective soldiers. I assume it must be because of the political situation in Chechnya and the need to keep as many loyal troops as possible. Also where the gently caress are they capturing Chechens? Aren’t they busy shooting empty buildings miles from the front lines?
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gay picnic defence posted:Why?? It’s not like they’re effective soldiers. I assume it must be because of the political situation in Chechnya and the need to keep as many loyal troops as possible. According to that reputed LNR/DNR soldier that's been posted a few times, they have gotten into *some* fights. After all the less popular tiktokers need a chance to shine.
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Buncha yall unfamiliar with the deal Putin made with Kadyrov to keep Chechnya pacified Also that headline is intended to tie into russian resentment towards chechens (who are perceived as having effectively a privileged status... which has caused a bunch of friction because that extends even into Russia proper and it's not an inaccurate perception, at least wrt connected chechens) Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 03:09 on May 16, 2022 |
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Buncha yall unfamiliar with the deal Putin made with Kadyrov to keep Chechnya pacified Back then Putin was able of being pragmatic, and coming up with a deal that's great for him and Kadyrov (while kinda awful for both Russia and Chechnya).
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Buncha yall unfamiliar with the deal Putin made with Kadyrov to keep Chechnya pacified
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Nessus posted:What exactly is that deal, anyway? Chechnya is run as a private fiefdom with little regard for Russian law and lots of subsidies from the budget. In exchange, it looks like part of Russia on the map, and Putin gets an extra bunch of goons for murdering inconvenient journalists and politicians in a slightly more deniable way.
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Kadryov is the perfect example of what Putin wants in terms of Ukraine Moldova etc. Just a "warrior" centric culture with a figurehead that can be a fascist on his own and also be a sellout enough to have "Russia" as their keeper. -- Dawn breaks 21 days remaining.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Kadryov is the perfect example of what Putin wants in terms of Ukraine Moldova etc. Just a "warrior" centric culture with a figurehead that can be a fascist on his own and also be a sellout enough to have "Russia" as their keeper. What happens in 21 days?
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Soul Glo posted:What happens in 21 days? The owned-a-ton window moves to discussing the plausible probability of Ukraine retaking crimea
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Soul Glo posted:What happens in 21 days? In a bit over 30 days it's the summer/winter solstice? Yeah that's all I can think of. 
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Killer-of-Lawyers posted:We can afford both healthcare and the military spending, funny meme aside. I wouldn't worry too much about that. Interestingly, the Soviet Union was cutting back on healthcare spending year by year since the mid-60s.
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MrYenko posted:Holy gently caress what a bunch of amateur hour horse poo poo. The biggest issue NATO would have with the modern Russian military is bringing enough ammunition up to keep murking Russians on playskool radios. "Modern Russian military" has become shorthand for "Consequences of massive kleptocratic corruption" this war.
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Soul Glo posted:What happens in 21 days? Nothing. He's doing a dumb Zelda/Link bit from the video game Majoras Mask.
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August seems like too much time. I mean what's left at that point? We've seen little push in the last three days which is not great. Yeah "refitting" is cool and all but this is constantly the newest hottest way to say the Russians can still win here. Offensives are hard to achieve, and doing so with no air superiority is loving impossible. Artillery a cool and all but the longer arty sits the longer it can be countered. And on that note this isn't a shoot and scoot type of deal. The arty had to be setup and ready to rock for hours and hours. Moving repositioning to a new area etc can render the defender ample time to stunt an offensive tempo because counter battery and air strikes are both non issues temporarily. Even ten minutes of no worries arty strikes can devastate an attackers spearheads. The dozenish BTGs that were sieging Kharkiv are probably at half strength or less so it adds like 5000 or less soldiers to the mix. This isn't what you need to crack forts. You need more like 50,000 soldiers worth of motorized / tank / AA / Spgs / IFVs to break through more than a few Frontline graves we like to call "trenches" - Odesa is under air strikes. The English translation of the telegram goes "Explosions audible in Odesa, preliminary air defense is working" https://t.me/our_odessa/34059 WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 05:42 on May 16, 2022 |
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Crow Buddy posted:Honestly, this makes me really mad. THIS is what the west spent 80 years and trillions in military expenditures to be ready for... (The first 50 years of that perhaps wasn't super silly.) I fell like this ignores a lot about the fungibility of the ability to project force in terms of what it has bought the US in terms of Economic prosperity and also the virtual guarantee that this type of war will not be fought on American soil. I know that sounds ghoulish as gently caress but those are real benefits that Americans have reaped by spending so much on our military.
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The X-man cometh posted:Isn't the push out of Kharkiv a successful offensive operation for the Ukrainians? Yes definitely. But there been unsubstantiated rumors that Russia will counter attack shortly after retreating. I think that's horse poo poo but the units at Kharkiv will not be effective by being repositioned to Donbass.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:August seems like too much time. I mean what's left at that point? We've seen little push in the last three days which is not great. Yeah "refitting" is cool and all but this is constantly the newest hottest way to say the Russians can still win here. Offensives are hard to achieve, and doing so with no air superiority is loving impossible. Artillery a cool and all but the longer arty sits the longer it can be countered. And on that note this isn't a shoot and scoot type of deal. The arty had to be setup and ready to rock for hours and hours. Moving repositioning to a new area etc can render the defender ample time to stunt an offensive tempo because counter battery and air strikes are both non issues temporarily. Even ten minutes of no worries arty strikes can devastate an attackers spearheads. There are a lot of explosions but most of them seemed like airdefense today luckily
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