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Hiro Protagonist posted:Who's a 1? I honestly would've put LeGuin there, at least as older authors go. Probably someone incredibly bland like Brandon Sanderson. But I don't know enough about them to comfortably say that. Edit: Blandon Sanderson? Brandon Blanderson?
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Jun 15, 2022 15:43
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https://schicksalgemeinschaft.wordpress.com/2022/06/11/children-of-time-adrian-tchaikovsky-2015/ Blogger I normally like is rather miffed by Children of Time.
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Jun 15, 2022 15:45
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Hiro Protagonist posted:Who's a 1? I honestly would've put LeGuin there, at least as older authors go. EarthSea [Books 1-3] is a patriarchy with gender-coded magic. Its not clear a fully nonproblematic author is possible or even desirable.
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Jun 15, 2022 15:49
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GreenBuckanneer posted:I'm not sure the connotation here, I consider myself to be extremely left of center, it just stood out to me because it's anything but politics agnostic. There's no such thing. That is the point. A lot of liberals think of themselves as being beyond politics, or occupying some state of balance that allow them to step outside of ideology, which is *sniff* of course *snort* pure ideology.
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Jun 15, 2022 16:05
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Copernic posted:EarthSea [Books 1-3] is a patriarchy with gender-coded magic. Its not clear a fully nonproblematic author is possible or even desirable. But isn’t this pointed out within the books themselves?
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FPyat posted:https://schicksalgemeinschaft.wordpress.com/2022/06/11/children-of-time-adrian-tchaikovsky-2015/ This seems..nitpicky? Did Tchaikovsky ever claim this was hard SF? Because I don't think he ever did, and that kind of seems where most of the issue comes from. If it was advertised as such I could see the problem, as I had the same issue with Andy Weir's Project Hail Mary which was I heard was hard SF but there was so much hand wavey bullshit that really turned me off that otherwise might have not if I had different expectations.
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Jun 15, 2022 16:09
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team overhead smash posted:But isn’t this pointed out within the books themselves? “The earthsea books as feminist literature are a total, complete bust. From my own archetypes and from my own cultural upbringing I couldn’t go down deep and come up with a woman wizard. Maybe I’ll learn to eventually but when I wrote those I couldn’t do it. I wish I could have.” You can put them as a 2 if you like, or even a 1. Everyone can and should have their own scale.
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Jun 15, 2022 16:13
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Copernic posted:we should use the Piers-Lovecraft Scale, which evaluates books on a 1-10 ladder of being problematic: Assuming that's a logarithmic scale
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Jun 15, 2022 16:16
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FPyat posted:https://schicksalgemeinschaft.wordpress.com/2022/06/11/children-of-time-adrian-tchaikovsky-2015/ This is really bad but one thing in particular stood out. quote:Also: the virus is woke. “There is a place in her mind where the nanovirus lurks and it tells her that all her species are kin, are like her in a way that other creatures are not, and yet the weight of society crushes its voice.” The idea is that the virus creates a feeling of kinship in asocial animals because that's more adaptive, but it's interesting that that's the first place his mind went. Bad critique.
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Jun 15, 2022 16:19
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The scale kind of depends on how much you want to separate the author from the work. Marion Zimmer Bradley's books are, in a death of the author sort of way, much less problematic than Piers Anthony's, but I've not head of Anthony doing anything worse than write, whereas Zimmer Bradley is 
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Jun 15, 2022 16:31
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Sometimes things get stuck in your head, today's was: Gene Wolfe's 'Sword of the Lickitung'. That is all.
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Qwertycoatl posted:The scale kind of depends on how much you want to separate the author from the work. does anyone have microsoft excel, help
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Jun 15, 2022 16:54
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Copernic posted:we should use the Piers-Lovecraft Scale, which evaluates books on a 1-10 ladder of being problematic: Please plot everyone from this list of problematic authors, with particular attention to Publius Cornelius Tacitus
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Jun 15, 2022 16:59
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I think I can solve this in Matlab.
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Jun 15, 2022 17:01
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 Whatever you think of this site the poison apple image is really, really great.
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General Battuta posted:Please plot everyone from this list of problematic authors, with particular attention to Publius Cornelius Tacitus
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A Proper Uppercut posted:This seems..nitpicky? Did Tchaikovsky ever claim this was hard SF? Because I don't think he ever did, and that kind of seems where most of the issue comes from. It seems like that reviewer even admits that all the problems he's pointing out, are also present in _Dune_, but to a worse degree. If your argument relies on "this book is so bad it's slightly better than Dune" you haven't actually written a negative review.
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Jun 15, 2022 17:07
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Cry more.
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Armauk posted:Cry more. I think it's cool they're promoting good charities to donate to.
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A Proper Uppercut posted:This seems..nitpicky? Did Tchaikovsky ever claim this was hard SF? Because I don't think he ever did, and that kind of seems where most of the issue comes from. Also hated Fiasco by Stanislaw Lem because the science was fake. Some people just have the wrong attitude towards realism.
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Jun 15, 2022 17:12
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StrixNebulosa posted:I think it's cool they're promoting good charities to donate to. Reading problematic books and authors for what's good in them, with prior recognition of what's bad in them, and then making a positive contribution for change seems like a mature and reasonable way of handling these issues.
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There’s a lot to unpack in there but I’ll admit the idea of buying indulgences to offset the harm done by Tacitus some two thousand years ago feels vain in both senses of the word.
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FPyat posted:https://schicksalgemeinschaft.wordpress.com/2022/06/11/children-of-time-adrian-tchaikovsky-2015/ zoux posted:This is really bad but one thing in particular stood out. Was going to post this exact thing. This blogger seems like a moron, and using woke as a pejorative is just one of many red flags.
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Jun 15, 2022 17:26
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withak posted:I think I can solve this in Matlab. can you also calculate the suggested donation as a function of (X, Y). As a baseline figure I suggest $.25 to EMILY'S List every time Nynaeve tugs her braid.
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General Battuta posted:There’s a lot to unpack in there but I’ll admit the idea of buying indulgences to offset the harm done by Tacitus some two thousand years ago feels vain in both senses of the word. Lmao Tacitus, the lone antisemetic Roman. Say, what ever happened to the Second Temple anyway That page is like the platonic ideal of YA book twitter. zoux fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Jun 15, 2022 |
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General Battuta posted:There’s a lot to unpack in there but I’ll admit the idea of buying indulgences to offset the harm done by Tacitus some two thousand years ago feels vain in both senses of the word. going to repair the harm done by tacitus' society by donating to modern organizations for an independent britain
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fritz posted:Sometimes things get stuck in your head, today's was: goddamn it I'm reading that book right now and I will not be able to pick it up without thinking of this, I hate you forever
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Cancelling Herodotus for referring to dog sized ants as "gold-digging"
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Socrates groomed the youth smh
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Copernic posted:“The earthsea books as feminist literature are a total, complete bust. From my own archetypes and from my own cultural upbringing I couldn’t go down deep and come up with a woman wizard. Maybe I’ll learn to eventually but when I wrote those I couldn’t do it. I wish I could have.” I think LeGuin may be talking about just the earlier books. Pretty sure in the later ones they talk about a patriarchal conspiracy to only promote men’s magic so I guess it depends on if you view the earlier books in isolation or the series as a whole.
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Copernic posted:we should use the Piers-Lovecraft Scale, which evaluates books on a 1-10 ladder of being problematic: Why is Tolkien at a 5?
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Everyone posted:Why is Tolkien at a 5? Orcs. Jewish-coded dwarves. Etc.
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For some reason I always thought Red Rising was a young adult series. I started it and kept being like, "Hmm, this sort of language usually isn't used in a young adult novel", "this sort of content usually isn't..". Then I got to the scene Where for the passage he has to fight another student. And not just any student-- a friendly student he had already met earlier that seemed coded to become a "best friend" type character. I figured he would figure out a way to cheat the system so they both live. Instead he just mercs the kid. I have to admit I thought the narrative seemed pretty cliche up until that point. I hope it can keep the brutal atmosphere going.
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i think if you're students being forced to kill eachother it's automatically young adult
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Copernic posted:we should use the Piers-Lovecraft Scale, which evaluates books on a 1-10 ladder of being problematic: So lovecraft is one since I assume the scale goes from piers Anthony to Lovecraft? Otherwise it is a kinda counterintuitive naming scheme.
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Lovecraft is a 1 by apocryphal nuclear Gandhi aggression underflow wraparound logic.
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It's a scale from problematically unhorny to problematically horny.
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Thranguy posted:It's a scale from problematically unhorny to problematically horny. From Rymdkulan to Atorox 
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What I'm hearing is that it is a multidimensional graph with horny/unhorny and problematic/non-problematic as two of the axes.
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