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So Kit Harrington's show is billed as a sequel but it also happens before GoT according to Emilia Clarke and I guess this all kinda points out to Jon Snow traveling into the past to the age of heros and literally being Azor Ahai? I think it's a better premise than like him just hanging out north of the wall?
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I didn’t read the newest book but do they even have a central plot anymore?
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Jun 23, 2022 14:23
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Invalid Validation posted:I didn’t read the newest book but do they even have a central plot anymore? No
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Jun 23, 2022 14:41
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Kelly C gets ressurrected by Melisandre and joins Jon in his time traveling adventures
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Jun 23, 2022 14:45
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Invalid Validation posted:I didn’t read the newest book but do they even have a central plot anymore? Nope. There were three acts of GRRM’s original outline. War of the Five Kings, Dance of Dragons 2.0, and War for the Dawn. First Act is done. It unexpectedly took him 3 books to do but hey he got them all out in like 4 years so fine no problem. But immediately upon needing to go into the second act GRRM either lost interest in his original plot or any semblance of discipline and greatly expanded the story in a bunch of unmanageable meandering ways leaving no path or end to the Dance of Dragons 2.0 act in sight. And then War for the Dawn lmao Christ how many books will be needed to do that justice?
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Jun 23, 2022 14:51
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That post of him saying that he is involved in the new series and that they will be "canon" makes me think he also dont expects to finish this thing, and dont seems to be too upset about it either, and is actually happy theres TV shows to keep his story going
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Jun 23, 2022 15:02
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A Dance With Dragons tried to tie a few of the threads together, but it's still in a really bad spot if he wants to end the series in two books. Not mentioning the preview chapters which could have been axed at this point, here's a rough picture of where characters with noteworthy POVs are by the end of Dance: Bran is somewhere beyond the Wall Theon and Asha are reunited alongside Stannis just outside Winterfell Tyrion is somewhere outside Meereen with some mercenaries Barristan is in Meereen Arya is in Braavos Sansa is in The Eyrie Jon's dead (?) at the Wall Arianne is somewhere probably near Jon Con Areo is somewhere Victarion is somewhere out at sea Daenerys is somewhere in the middle of Essos, making GBS threads herself Cersei is in King's Landing Jamie and Brienne are reunited in the Riverlands (I think?) Doran is in Sunspear looking at fruit Quentyn is definitely 100% dead Sam is in Oldtown Davos is going to Skagos Some of these POVs are tied together, but most aren't. Nobody is around to push a Sansa chapter forward at the moment. I think it was Preston Jacobs or someone who pointed it out, but there have been three Bran chapters since 2005.
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Jun 23, 2022 17:03
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Uh, more like there's been 3 Bran chapter since mid-2000 when ASOS came out. I think his story has definitely moved forward the least over the last couple of decades, which is especially sad to me because when I initially read the series his chapters were always among my favorites in terns of POV. Oh well.
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Jun 23, 2022 17:39
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Nope. There were three acts of GRRM’s original outline. War of the Five Kings, Dance of Dragons 2.0, and War for the Dawn. First Act is done. It unexpectedly took him 3 books to do but hey he got them all out in like 4 years so fine no problem. But immediately upon needing to go into the second act GRRM either lost interest in his original plot or any semblance of discipline and greatly expanded the story in a bunch of unmanageable meandering ways leaving no path or end to the Dance of Dragons 2.0 act in sight. And then War for the Dawn lmao Christ how many books will be needed to do that justice? War for the Dawn should be easy because the White Walkers have been portrayed as an omnicidal threat that everyone needs to unite against and defeat. They have no POV characters, no motivation aside from "Imperialism/genocide/corrupt", and while we know they exist, we haven't seen them in forever, and only know that they're slowly moving South with a huge corpse army. The challenge, if GURM was ever going to write again (He won't), is just to get the characters through a Second Dance, and then get the Three Heads of the Targaryens up to the North to kill White Walkers with their dragons.
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:War for the Dawn should be easy because the White Walkers have been portrayed as an omnicidal threat that everyone needs to unite against and defeat. They have no POV characters, no motivation aside from "Imperialism/genocide/corrupt", and while we know they exist, we haven't seen them in forever, and only know that they're slowly moving South with a huge corpse army. This runs against everything GRRM has even vaguely said about his plans regarding The Others though. You’ve got to go back years for this poo poo though. This is just a slightly different version of the show just quickly killing the mindless evil monsters yay which he definitely won’t want to do seeing as how everyone got mad about that.
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Jun 23, 2022 19:36
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:This runs against everything GRRM has even vaguely said about his plans regarding The Others though. You’ve got to go back years for this poo poo though. This is just a slightly different version of the show just quickly killing the mindless evil monsters yay which he definitely won’t want to do seeing as how everyone got mad about that. Everyone was mad because they were built up like the main evil and then Arya just one taps them and suddenly Dany was the big bad. It made the whole Others plot seem like an afterthought. A major confrontation of Westeros vs the Others would make a lot more sense.
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Jun 23, 2022 19:51
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latinotwink1997 posted:Everyone was mad because they were built up like the main evil and then Arya just one taps them and suddenly Dany was the big bad. It made the whole Others plot seem like an afterthought. There's a lot of interesting space where the response to an existential threat then becomes the threat it could be explored. It will not be. Anyway, everyone knows if you kill the head
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Jun 23, 2022 20:00
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It would be kind of funny if GRRM got to dealing with The Others and it was more disappointing than how the show did it.
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Jun 23, 2022 22:53
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latinotwink1997 posted:Everyone was mad because they were built up like the main evil and then Arya just one taps them and suddenly Dany was the big bad. It made the whole Others plot seem like an afterthought. Race for the Iron Throne, a tumblr blog I used to read, theorized that the show flipped the final two acts because they wanted to focus on the political nature of the show, not the supernatural, since it was its political aspects that earned it fame. As in, RFTIT theorized Dany's going to burn King's Landing (prolly accidentally while fighting Mr. Blackfyre), then while sitting on the ashes, she goes North to try to save the Kingdom she's just burninated. I have no problem with the Others being a faceless evil to be fought down. Not that we'll ever know at this point, of course. Still lolling that another Tolkien book is coming out before GURM.
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Jun 24, 2022 00:44
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GRRM confirmed he’s involved with the Snow sequel lol.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:GRRM confirmed he’s involved with the Snow sequel lol. Yeah, here's the link for anyone doom readers out there: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2022/06/23/snow-and-other-stuff/
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Jun 24, 2022 03:29
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He's just going to be in the casting room for whoever auditions for Val.
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Real talk though, Val kinda rules and she was one of the many missing things at the Wall.
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Jun 24, 2022 04:14
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Lol that Kit thought Arya killing the night king was so dumb hes like "let me redo this poo poo with my own show" Good for him. Almost as great as Varys actor slam dunking the script into the trash after his last table reading.
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The only way I'll approve a reboot is if Dave and Dan have to play Jon and Daenerys and there are no changes to the scripts.
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Jun 24, 2022 05:21
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I hope it's actually called SNOW and is filmed in the style of a Scandinavian noir detective movie. A gloomy tent, Jon SNOW sits at his desk gnawing on cured meat. In comes a young tattooed Wildling girl who looks around nervously. Her red hair reminds him of his failed first marriage...
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Another new Preston/Carmine cast in response to GRRM's blog post: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3tc0qEL-n4. I want the Snow show just so it brings back some poo poo to talk about. GoT discussion has just been so dire without even a bad show to make fun of.
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Coquito Ergo Sum posted:Another new Preston/Carmine cast in response to GRRM's blog post: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3tc0qEL-n4. I want the Snow show just so it brings back some poo poo to talk about. GoT discussion has just been so dire without even a bad show to make fun of. Good news there’s one coming in August
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Jun 24, 2022 20:32
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emanresu tnuocca posted:So Kit Harrington's show is billed as a sequel but it also happens before GoT according to Emilia Clarke and I guess this all kinda points out to Jon Snow traveling into the past to the age of heros and literally being Azor Ahai? I think it's a better premise than like him just hanging out north of the wall? I was confused as well but if you read what she said in that interview really closely, she's talking about House of the Dragon when she says it's set a bejillion years before GoT. The New Jon Snow Adventure Show, Great Job! is presumably fully *after* GoT.
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Jun 24, 2022 20:47
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It would be cooler if they time travel, imo.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:It would be cooler if they time travel, imo. 
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Preston is right that Kit should be in full Sell Out mode and include ghost Ygritte in the show so that his wife also gets a nice paycheck for this garbage.
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Jun 25, 2022 14:02
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Melisandre ressurected her
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Elias_Maluco posted:Melisandre ressurected as her
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It’s such a great point that HBO will not be able to help themselves with this show just like with Disney and the Mandalorian. Mandalorian season 1 was a pretty low key self contained story. Then in Season 2 it immediately became Star Wars: The TV Show with all your favorite characters showing up. The same will happen with Snow.
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Jun 25, 2022 15:55
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Did Rose Leslie's parents remortgage their castle to fund this series? It only makes sense as a pity party for Kit Harrington.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:It’s such a great point that HBO will not be able to help themselves with this show just like with Disney and the Mandalorian. Mandalorian season 1 was a pretty low key self contained story. Then in Season 2 it immediately became Star Wars: The TV Show with all your favorite characters showing up. The same will happen with Snow. HBO is likely fully aware of the common sentiment that people just may not give a poo poo about Targaryens, or at least not enough to justify another hundred million dollar per season epic and have a retconning continuation of their main series.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:It’s such a great point that HBO will not be able to help themselves with this show just like with Disney and the Mandalorian. Mandalorian season 1 was a pretty low key self contained story. Then in Season 2 it immediately became Star Wars: The TV Show with all your favorite characters showing up. The same will happen with Snow.
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kaworu posted:Uh, more like there's been 3 Bran chapter since mid-2000 when ASOS came out. I think his story has definitely moved forward the least over the last couple of decades, which is especially sad to me because when I initially read the series his chapters were always among my favorites in terns of POV. Oh well. Oh man, I didn't even read it that way when I double-checked the wikis. We've had 3 Bran chapters in 22 years.
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Don’t worry GRRM will be able to write a satisfactory plot of Bran becoming an immortal tree God King in like 6 more chapters.
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He doesn’t have to, we’ve all seen the show, he’ll just show up at the end and everyone will kneel for him.
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Jun 26, 2022 14:48
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Who has a better story than Bran the Broken (who hasn't had a story in two decades)
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:It’s such a great point that HBO will not be able to help themselves with this show just like with Disney and the Mandalorian. Mandalorian season 1 was a pretty low key self contained story. Then in Season 2 it immediately became Star Wars: The TV Show with all your favorite characters showing up. The same will happen with Snow. I also watched the Star Wars Xmas special.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:It’s such a great point that HBO will not be able to help themselves with this show just like with Disney and the Mandalorian. Mandalorian season 1 was a pretty low key self contained story. Then in Season 2 it immediately became Star Wars: The TV Show with all your favorite characters showing up. The same will happen with Snow. I don't think it will. The IP needs much better management to survive this next leap. HBO isn't known for having that kind of long term vision, nor do they have full access to the IP. For example, an animated Dunk and Egg show, or better spin offs to appeal to a wider demo. I mean it's a really rich and fertile world. That it is unfinished is actually a positive in that sense - the whole thing could be crafted / retconned as needed and you have a world large enough for decades of creative. you telling me you wouldn't watch a japanime about Arya and Nymeria kicking around the world, righting wrongs, trying to find out what happened to her mother's ghost? There are a million stories that could be written. A million games. But it's an IP that needs to be nurtured and grown properly.
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I can fully believe that the license can make a comeback, but I can't really see it. The age of well-written Thrones media goes back to 2014 at the earliest or even earlier depending on who you talk to. Since then, the visual media has had awful plotting, pacing, and dialogue, and the books have mostly been plodding internalization and lore dumps. ASOIAF media needs something dynamic and engaging with characters and drama and unexpected twists and turns again. It cannot go back to Benioff dialogue where characters speak in nonsensical pseudo-intellectual aphorisms or with humor that's either awkward silences or "whorec***gently caress" vulgarities.
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