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oh wait this is the grrm thread?? gently caress grrm
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So what I gather GRRM is the George Lucas of fantasy books.
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Jul 20, 2022 01:56
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:The crap cartoons you liked so much in the 80s were worse than the prequels. I'm pretty sure Garfield & Friends has better writing than any SW film. Although maybe you meant more like the toy commercial cartoons in which case I still love Jem & the Holograms. Fighting Trousers posted:At least Lucas went into the prequels with a beginning, middle, and end in mind, which is more than can be said for episodes 7-9. Yeah, I really don't understand how you get away with such a basic level of incompetence when handling a, what, billion dollar franchise or whatever SW is?
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Jul 20, 2022 02:09
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Invalid Validation posted:So what I gather GRRM is the George Lucas of fantasy books. Well they both let some hacks finish their life’s work for them edit: except Lucas just sold it and let it go while GRRM is still pretending he is going to give his own true ending for it Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Jul 20, 2022 |
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Jul 20, 2022 02:15
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Invalid Validation posted:So what I gather GRRM is the George Lucas of fantasy books. No because George Lucas finished his two series.
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Jul 20, 2022 02:22
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The big difference is also that Star Wars is a really chaste universe because it's a fundamentally prepubescent fantasy, even the dark, forbidden romance of Padme and Anakin culminates in a smooch and a secret wedding. The most prurient part of the six Lucas films is Leila's meme bikini and even that is kind of a child's idea of erotica (peeping on girls at the pool, kisses are gross and humiliating, etc). Whereas ASOAIF...
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Jul 20, 2022 06:31
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I appreciate that Star Wars has a below average amount of rape.
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Jul 20, 2022 13:35
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I appreciate that Star Wars has a below average amount of rape. Until you get to the EU where a lizard man is tired of his bodyguard sex robot and tries to rape Leia.
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Jul 21, 2022 01:10
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don't forget han kidnapping leia with the date rape gun and then they get married in the same book
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Jul 21, 2022 01:45
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Jazerus posted:zoomers like the prequels because they watched them when they were 5 years old and just haven't reached a point where they're thinking critically about their childhood entertainment, not whatever bizarre generational bullshit this is My man the oldest zoomers were 2-3 when Phantom Menace came out. The kids you’re thinking of are the young end of the millennial generation. The prequels got better over time not just because ep 7-9 were trash fires* but because we ended up getting actual good content like the Clone Wars show. The behind the scenes for ep3 is wild too. It’s just 99% free screen and featureless boxes replaced later with CGI. * ep8 had the silver lining of Holdo doing the exact thing that the rebels should’ve been doing to every imperial fleet and base whenever they were in a battle they couldn’t win. FTL technology means every warp capable ship is now a self contained super powerful single shot mass driver, shields aren’t going to do poo poo against even a single pilot fighter that hits you at even a fraction of the speed of light let alone faster than it. This is unfortunately offset by nobody tossing Poe out of an airlock or just shooting his rear end for that bomber run poo poo. because he was supposed to die and they changed their minds while filming ep7 he ends up being worse and worse.
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Jul 21, 2022 02:14
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Evil Fluffy posted:My man the oldest zoomers were 2-3 when Phantom Menace came out. The kids you’re thinking of are the young end of the millennial generation. i didn't mean that they were 5 years old when they released. they watched them very young on TV was my point
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Jul 21, 2022 02:20
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Jazerus posted:don't forget han kidnapping leia with the date rape gun and then they get married in the same book The Courtship of Princess Leia is all, "Oh, Han, you rapscallion!"
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Jul 21, 2022 02:29
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Evil Fluffy posted:This is unfortunately offset by nobody tossing Poe out of an airlock or just shooting his rear end for that bomber run poo poo. because he was supposed to die and they changed their minds while filming ep7 he ends up being worse and worse. Seriously, Oscar Isaac is great but Poe just dragged those movies down so badly.
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Jul 21, 2022 02:34
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Kuiperdolin posted:The big difference is also that Star Wars is a really chaste universe because it's a fundamentally prepubescent fantasy, even the dark, forbidden romance of Padme and Anakin culminates in a smooch and a secret wedding. The most prurient part of the six Lucas films is Leila's meme bikini and even that is kind of a child's idea of erotica (peeping on girls at the pool, kisses are gross and humiliating, etc). Jabba’s fat pink tongue 
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Jul 21, 2022 04:35
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I got two reports on this thread, one about a "star wars derail" and another about "obnoxious shitposts" Do people actually still want a thread to talk about ASOIAF? Can I finally put this thread out of its long continued misery?
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Jul 21, 2022 11:33
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New trailer dropped for the prequal series. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DotnJ7tTA34 Spoilers, but am I correct in remembering The girl wins? Or do they both die?
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Jul 21, 2022 11:43
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algebra testes posted:The girl wins? Or do they both die? Rhaenyra ultimately loses to Aegon II, who dies shortly afterward and is succeeded by Aegon III, Rhaenyra's son. I am beyond excited for this.
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Jul 21, 2022 11:53
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algebra testes posted:New trailer dropped for the prequal series. oh THATS what it is we have new people reading this thread because there's the prequel series coming out and so it's not all just you jaded freaks (affectionate tone of voice)
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Jul 21, 2022 12:04
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I'm actually kind of interested in this, too. This was my favorite section of that Westeros history book thing I read a long time ago.
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Jul 21, 2022 12:19
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It does help, in context, that the Dance has a written ending - one I personally find satisfying and in line with what came before.
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Jul 21, 2022 12:31
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I got two reports on this thread, one about a "star wars derail" and another about "obnoxious shitposts" This thread cannot be allowed to die until GRRM does. Once he has left this world, we can have a final frenzy of shitposting and then close this one down. Mission accomplished.
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Jul 21, 2022 13:03
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Yeah I don't know if I care about the show but the Dance has a bunch of pretty interesting characters and some neat twists and turns (and, correct me if I'm wrong, like WAY less rape. More incest though so like... gently caress). Since apparently Martin is going to be looming over production in the same way he did for the early seasons of the main show I guess it'll probably be alright. The more time he spends on set is less time for him to write follow-up Mercy chapters so it's basically HBO's moral duty to have him around at this point.
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Jul 21, 2022 13:03
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Honestly, I think there is potential for this series to be a lot of fun, if not actually qualitatively good in some respects. I’ve been fairly excited ever since it was first reported that Matt Smith was cast in the role of Daemon Targaryen - because if there’s a charismatic anti-hero from The Dance of the Dragons it’s definitely him. I don’t think a series like this works unless you have some really dynamic, exciting, unpredictable, charismatic and most importantly fun figure at the center of everything. This show’s Tyrion Lannister, more or less? The one who gets all the killer lines and (ideally) delivers them with aplomb. Obviously, for a role like that you need an actor who can actually do all of that stuff, and I think anyone who watched Matt Smith’s run as the Eleventh Doctor would agree that he’s actually capable of carrying this show, whether or not he actually does or is even put in a position to do so is still unknown, of course. But the potential is there I think, which is exciting, everything else aside.
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Jul 21, 2022 13:04
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DaysBefore posted:Yeah I don't know if I care about the show but the Dance has a bunch of pretty interesting characters and some neat twists and turns (and, correct me if I'm wrong, like WAY less rape. More incest though so like... gently caress). I haven't read about the Dance in a while but I don't remember nearly as much hosed-up sexual content, though I don't put it past HBO to add some; the focus of the story is mainly on "this is how the dragons died out." Even the Targaryen incest was mostly limited to Rhaenyra's marriages, and it's heavily implied that her Velaryon husband was gay and their marriage was a sham from day 1. kaworu posted:I’ve been fairly excited ever since it was first reported that Matt Smith was cast in the role of Daemon Targaryen - because if there’s a charismatic anti-hero from The Dance of the Dragons it’s definitely him. My question is, if they recognize Daemon as "this show's Tyrion," will they keep in his actual dark deeds (the murder of Jaehaerys, the underage (I think?) lover) or will they lighten those the way they did to keep Tyrion the sympathetic main character?
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Jul 21, 2022 13:48
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I'm afraid they'll make Mushroom the Tyrion equivalent... And take seriously his claim that he's this big mover and shaker behind the scenes... which are supposed to be ludicrous in the source material...
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Jul 21, 2022 14:11
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:and another about "obnoxious shitposts" They must be new. That’s like 90% of the thread.
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Jul 21, 2022 15:25
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What is the source material this prequel is based off of? Just the history book?
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Jul 21, 2022 16:09
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Fire & blood, so the Targaryen history book specifically. I think it's the dance of the dragons thing that keeps coming up in the books.
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Jul 21, 2022 16:45
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Barreft posted:I skipped class 9th grade to see Episode 1 when it came out, I was 16 and the whole highschool was excited as hell for it and sneaking out all week. I'm 38 and in no way a zoomer. I remember the tremendous excitement and let down of seeing that. we're in late stage capitalism I love this phrase. It's so apocalyptic. Kuiperdolin posted:The most prurient part of the six Lucas films is Leila's meme bikini and even that is kind of a child's idea of erotica (peeping on girls at the pool, kisses are gross and humiliating, etc). I never thought that was child-like. She's this fierce independent woman, reduced to a sex slave and chained to a giant slobbering penis. Some classic and deep running themes here. She's also wearing this metal harem girl thing which is right in line with 80s sci-fi porn, and would be appropriate even today at an Erotic Ball ( tame perhaps, but stil... ). And then at the end she turns off the lights and makes the giant penis ejaculate, equating sex to death / kills Harvey / liberates herself from sexual serfdom / abandons her traditional female role as a womb with legs to get back to fighting the giant father penis. Also people get eaten by a giant vagina dentata / sand anus, which is an excellent lesson on abstinence as well as making sure your sex toys have a flared base. Also AIDS as an emerging threat to the sexual freedom of the 70s. Hieronymous Alloy posted:I got two reports on this thread, one about a "star wars derail" and another about "obnoxious shitposts" I'm sorry you are still chained to this board. Kindly probate those reporters. Evil Fluffy posted:FTL technology means every warp capable ship is now a self contained super powerful single shot mass driver Yeah this is game breaking stuff though. At least for me it breaks the suspension of disbelief that space battles are really just WWII dogfights and naval battles. I mean sure, the occasional kamikazee scene is ok, but... yeah. I'm sure this point has been pounded into the ground elsewhere, but I don't talk about starwars much, so had to reply. I mean you don't really need a Death Star when you can send a bowling ball into a planet at lightspeed. And apparently hyperspace technology is as common as a v8 engine. It would be interesting to see a graph of the use of aircraft as weapons in US entertainment, post 9-11.
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Jul 21, 2022 23:29
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Would you like to make that a large combo?
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Jul 21, 2022 23:45
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TERFherder posted:I remember the tremendous excitement and let down of seeing that. Sir, this is thread about a corpulent non-writing writer who will fail to finish his magnum opus and gained cultural notoriety due to the success of a tv adaptation that ultimately failed. Please pull through if you don’t want to post about that.
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pseudanonymous posted:Sir, this is thread about a corpulent non-writing writer who will fail to finish his magnum opus and gained cultural notoriety due to the success of a tv adaptation that ultimately failed. This is the only thread I'm allowed to post in
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disaster pastor posted:I haven't read about the Dance in a while but I don't remember nearly as much hosed-up sexual content, though I don't put it past HBO to add some; the focus of the story is mainly on "this is how the dragons died out." Even the Targaryen incest was mostly limited to Rhaenyra's marriages, and it's heavily implied that her Velaryon husband was gay and their marriage was a sham from day 1. Well, Rhaenyra's first marriage (to the homosexual Laenor) was absolutely a sham, and the book states pretty unequivocally that the three children she had from that marriage were all fathered by Harwin "Breakbones" Strong. Given that Rhaenyra, Laenor, and Breakbones are all cast as characters in this first season, I think we can be assured of seeing some of this play out. Daemon is initially married to Laena, Laenor's sister - both Laenor and Laena die before the start of the actual war, though, and then Daemon and Rhaenyra end up married - they had supposedly had an affair years earlier which caused Daemon to be exiled IIRC. That's some pretty insane incest, since Daemon and Rhaenyra are uncle and niece by blood AND brother and sister by earlier marriages  Even funnier to me is that the absurdly incestuous union of Daemon and Rhaenyra produces Aegon III and his brother Viserys, and the rest of the Targaryen dynasty issues from their loins, heh. quote:My question is, if they recognize Daemon as "this show's Tyrion," will they keep in his actual dark deeds (the murder of Jaehaerys, the underage (I think?) lover) or will they lighten those the way they did to keep Tyrion the sympathetic main character? Well, even these relatively "unsympathetic" moments all depend greatly on how the show presents things emotionally, and whether they ultimately come down more on the side of Aegon II and his posse, or Rhaenyra and Daemon and theirs. I tend to think that Rhaenyra and Daemon will ultimately be portrayed as the marginally more sympathetic party. That being the case, I expect that incidents like what happened with Blood and Cheese will be presented more as... horrific and righteous vengeance enacted by Daemon for Rhaenyra's son (murdered by Aemond) which got out of hand. After all, it's not like Daemon himself murders any kids. And as for his affair with Nettles, I mean... I don't really expect the show to present her as a "child" and would be frankly grossed out if they did, I read her as being a young woman in the book, like 19 or 20? Maybe GRRM intended her to be 15 or 16 and it's just that I mentally age up his characters to be less grossed out, and expect others to as well.
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Jul 22, 2022 02:29
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The show better have the Cannibal. I want to see that fucker eating other dragons.
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Jul 22, 2022 06:04
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I don't think I've seen Aegon II once in these trailers tbh, I get the feeling this will really be the Rhaenyra and Daemon show more than anything. It also looks like Viserys I is a glowering, grim skinny guy which nah, give me a big jolly fat dude who's totally oblivious
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kaworu posted:Maybe GRRM intended her to be 15 or 16 and it's just that I mentally age up his characters to be less grossed out, and expect others to as well. Yeah, I just looked her up, she's 15–16 when the Dance begins. So she'll probably be mid-20s on the show. DaysBefore posted:I don't think I've seen Aegon II once in these trailers tbh, I get the feeling this will really be the Rhaenyra and Daemon show more than anything. Aegon is apparently a recurring character and not an opening-credits actor, so your instinct is probably correct. Viserys is Paddy Considine, who's always great, though.
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DaysBefore posted:I don't think I've seen Aegon II once in these trailers tbh, I get the feeling this will really be the Rhaenyra and Daemon show more than anything. They're going to hype up the Daemon/Rhaenyra conflict only for them to get married, probably at the end of season 1. Must be this 'subverting expectations' thing I've heard so much about.
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Jul 22, 2022 12:38
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I’m biased but the full Rings of Power trailer frankly blows what’s been shown of HoTD out of the water.
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Jul 22, 2022 19:30
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I hope they only ever refer to the Strong Bastards as Jake, Luke, and Jeff.
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Looks like George announced then quickly canceled his plans for Comic Con due to Covid concerns.
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