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Ny and Lan are set up fairly well for Jordan. I'd agree Mo and Thom are much more sudden/off camera
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I was surprised and taken aback by both  Moiraine and Thom is certainly more egregious.
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Jul 28, 2022 18:12
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Every time you see them together Thom is thinking about how she's quite the woman, or asking rand how she's doing when they're away. Idk doesn't seem too far fetched for me.
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Yeah, moiraine and Thom are set up from the very first moment they're both on screen, it's just very very subtle because theyre both subtle characters and we don't see either of their pov's directly and Rand is a bumpkin at that point and doesn't pick up on it.
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That first moment when Moiraine and Thom see each other is wonderful.quote:Abruptly the flow of words and the juggling alike stopped. Thom simply snatched the balls from the air and stopped talking. Unnoticed by Rand, Moiraine had joined the listeners. Lan was at her shoulder, though he had to look twice to see the man. For a moment Thom looked at Moiraine sideways, his face and body still except for making the balls disappear into his capacious coat sleeves. Then he bowed to her, holding his cloak wide. “Your pardon, but you are surely not from this district?” “Lady!” Ewin hissed fiercely. “The Lady Moiraine.” Thom blinked, then bowed again, more deeply. “Your pardon again ... ah, Lady. I meant no disrespect.” Moiraine made a small waving-away gesture. “None was perceived, Master Bard. And my name is simply Moiraine. I am indeed a stranger here, a traveler like yourself, far from home and alone. The world can be a dangerous place when one is a stranger.” I don't think Thom gets caught flat-footed often, but he sure does there.
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Jul 28, 2022 18:48
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Note that she knows exactly who he is and tells him so by using his professional title.
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Jul 28, 2022 19:05
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:Every time you see them together Thom is thinking about how she's quite the woman, or asking rand how she's doing when they're away. Idk doesn't seem too far fetched for me. Yeah, I had a feeling there was some lines that implied attraction but I couldn't actually recall any of the top of my head, so I just left at him treating her differently to other Aes Sedai. Thanks for clarifying. I'd still feel there's just too much time between them meeting, and instantly jumping to marriage personally, but there is definitely some foreshadowing of the basis of it. Hieronymous Alloy posted:Note that she knows exactly who he is and tells him so by using his professional title. I was going to say "well of course she does, she can see his cloak and that's all she needs to know his profession"; took me a third read to realize she calls him "bard" and not "gleeman". I wonder when Moiraine saw something to "know the face of her future husband" as she tells the girls inside the Stone of Tear, since that implies a viewing. Maybe Min?
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I think when she says that she's been through the doorway already, so I always assumed she'd heard that as part of one of her answers.
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Jul 28, 2022 19:40
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I think when she says that she's been through the doorway already, so I always assumed she'd heard that as part of one of her answers. Nope, it's in the same scene where she explains the doorway to the girls and that she's considering going through.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I think when she says that she's been through the doorway already, so I always assumed she'd heard that as part of one of her answers. You know, I genuinely forgot she even used the doorway in Tear; I thought it was just Rand and Matt. I had to go and re-read those pages, just to double check.
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tsob posted:Yeah, I had a feeling there was some lines that implied attraction but I couldn't actually recall any of the top of my head, so I just left at him treating her differently to other Aes Sedai. Thanks for clarifying. I'd still feel there's just too much time between them meeting, and instantly jumping to marriage personally, but there is definitely some foreshadowing of the basis of it. quote:I was going to say "well of course she does, she can see his cloak and that's all she needs to know his profession"; took me a third read to realize she calls him "bard" and not "gleeman". I wonder when Moiraine saw something to "know the face of her future husband" as she tells the girls inside the Stone of Tear, since that implies a viewing. Maybe Min?
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RandomReader posted:Part of that problem is that for like 2/3rds of that time, one of them was presumed dead, and the other part is that they're workaholics. Thom's stories make Moiraine laugh, Thom routinely calls her a fine woman and laments the fact she's Aes Sedai, but most of their time and attention are being spent making sure these dumb kids don't get themselves killed before they can save the world. We also have Min reflecting later that she's only ever had one vision that didn't come true during the period she thinks Moiraine is dead. So my money is definitely on Min telling her.
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Which kind of leads to her three questions, which I'm kind of assuming to be some variation on "How do I stop saidin killing Rand" leading to her knowledge of Asmodean, though that could easily be the rings "How do we win the Last Battle" "How do I keep Rand alive until then" Because let's be honest, her own survival is never even a consideration for her.
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How does she find out about needing Mat and Thom to rescue her from the snakes and foxes?
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Rhuidean - she says she saw three paths into the future in her letter to Rand, but doesn't go into detail on how far forward she saw.
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tsob posted:"; took me a third read to realize she calls him "bard" and not "gleeman". Exactly. It's some of Jordan's most subtle, most front-loaded writing and only really spottable on reread.
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Jul 28, 2022 20:21
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The Moraine - Thom 'romance' was bad because it felt bad and abrupt and unearned to me, the reader. That's enough for me. It is one of the vanishingly few things that I would actually like Rafe, coward that he is, to change in The Show. Most of the changes have been bad, but this one, this one would be very good.
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Jul 28, 2022 20:24
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All of the changes are Bad, except the ones I want, which are Good.
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I liked all the changes and enjoy eps 7-8 Now what
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How are u posted:The Moraine - Thom 'romance' was bad because it felt bad and abrupt and unearned to me, the reader. That's enough for me. The show is doing a great job with Siu/raine
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"Hello" -Alan Mand Aragorn, about to slay
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The show is doing a great job with Siu/raine Oh christ i forgot about that haha. Well, it's a change for the better, IMO.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Exactly. It's some of Jordan's most subtle, most front-loaded writing and only really spottable on reread. It's like that scene where Birgitte is talking to Mat in the old tongue and he doesn't realize it. The dialogue gets a lot more formal and there's a few odd turns of phrase that I didn't catch the first couple times through, but when you realize what's happening it's so obvious.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The show is doing a great job with Siu/raine Yeah, I feel the same. Thom/Moiraine was sudden on the first read but made a lot more sense when I was watching for it, so I don't dislike it. But the show making Moiraine and Siuan a present rather than past relationship has been a good change. Of course, if there's anything to the speculation I saw that TV Suian gets killed off (since Sophie Okonedo is too busy for much of a recurring secondary character role) and Leane takes over her post-stilling story arc of mentor to Egwene, there's still finding someone else I guess. Though hopefully not since I like both versions of Siuan.
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Moiraine and Thom seemed like they came out of nowhere to me, but I've heard people who are way more tuned in to that style of romance writing picked up on it basically instantly, so I can't say it was actually out of nowhere.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Note that she knows exactly who he is and tells him so by using his professional title. I find the notion that they didn't both know exactly who the other one was highly unbelievable, and it would not surprise me at all if they hadn't met at least once before that scene. He was, among other things, loving her sister-in-law for an extended period of time after her brother died. Note that does add an extra dimension of weirdness to their relationship, tho.
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From his reaction I think he knows what she is, if not exactly who. But by TSR he's had time to do some digging and find out who she is. Either way, it's a fantastic little story thread.
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Colonel Cool posted:Moiraine and Thom seemed like they came out of nowhere to me, but I've heard people who are way more tuned in to that style of romance writing picked up on it basically instantly, so I can't say it was actually out of nowhere. Are the people you heard named Ali, mayhaps? She was on it book one, master bard, laughing at his knife tricks and juggling, etc.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I liked all the changes and enjoy eps 7-8 Now you will read my 3500-word essay on why your opinions are wrong:
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St0rmD posted:I find the notion that they didn't both know exactly who the other one was highly unbelievable, and it would not surprise me at all if they hadn't met at least once before that scene. He was, among other things, loving her sister-in-law for an extended period of time after her brother died. Yeah, it's absolutely possible that they'd met before and recognized each other instantly. All we can know from the text is that at the very least he recognized the ageless face instantly, and she knew who he was from her use of his correct title. Colonel Cool posted:Moiraine and Thom seemed like they came out of nowhere to me, but I've heard people who are way more tuned in to that style of romance writing picked up on it basically instantly, so I can't say it was actually out of nowhere. Yeah, Jordan had just finished writing a bodice-ripper trilogy set in colonial era Charleston right before he started writing Wheel of Time. A lot of the relationships had that romance novel dynamic carry over and readers who are used to those tropes tend to pick up on them faster that people who just read fantasy.
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RC Cola posted:I enjoy watched the new turning of the wheel that is the show lately i've just been thinking of it as the same events, garbled somewhat by the retelling over time
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It's a television adaptation of the book series.
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tsob posted:Yeah, I had a feeling there was some lines that implied attraction but I couldn't actually recall any of the top of my head, so I just left at him treating her differently to other Aes Sedai. Thanks for clarifying. I'd still feel there's just too much time between them meeting, and instantly jumping to marriage personally, but there is definitely some foreshadowing of the basis of it. It's the last battle. Rand is having straight up strangers getting married due to him twisting chance, but even if he wasn't... It's the last days as far as any of them know.
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I didn’t like it either. If they never got together nobody would think twice. That’s how little I feel it was foreshadowed. Plus he fuckin hated Aes Sedai, even the nice ones were usually pieces of poo poo. But I know people think it’s master class writing so what would I know?
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Invalid Validation posted:I didn’t like it either. If they never got together nobody would think twice. That’s how little I feel it was foreshadowed. Plus he fuckin hated Aes Sedai, even the nice ones were usually pieces of poo poo. But I know people think it’s master class writing so what would I know?
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Which kind of leads to her three questions, which I'm kind of assuming to be some variation on The first two questions seem unlikely, as asking the Aelfinn questions that touch on the Shadow leads to death or madness. Rand gets away with asking one because he's ta'veren - not to mention already going mad - but I can't see Moiraine getting away with two. We also never find out what her questions and answers actually were, which suggests they weren't altogether relevant.
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This is the third time she’s tweeted about playing Cadsuane  https://twitter.com/saghdashloo/status/1553102320203866113?s=21&t=6vX24JzXy1C7nltjSl4Bng
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If she doesn’t get to say gently caress in her gravely voice then what’s the point?
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I dunno, some of her interactions with Rand could be pretty great She would get a great "boy" Comrade Blyatlov fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Jul 29, 2022 |
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