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Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

Manager Hoyden posted:

Thanks!

I very well may have read the book wrong! The "real world" parts of the book felt disjointed in an unintentional way with a smidge too much 90s tragicool. I probably should give it another chance with a read-through without me impatiently waiting for the weird house parts

It's been a few years since I read House of Leaves, but I remember the Johnny parts giving me a clear unreliable-narrator feeling; I thought it was obvious he was making stories up to make himself sound cooler. For instance, the stories of his sexual exploits are weirdly inconsistent with his shy, inarticulate behavior toward the girl he has a crush on at the tattoo parlor.

And if you liked the Navidson Record parts, maybe check out Piranesi?

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Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

I'm trying to start reading more genre fiction to rip off for whatever tabletop campaign I'm playing in enjoy. Either sci-fi or fantasy is cool and I love a good space opera as long as it doesn't disappear up its own rear end. Swordplay is a plus. I have a high tolerance for worldbuilding and political intrigue. Difficult to read is usually fine for me.

I don't think I'm looking for hard sci-fi but I'll take it. I like horror (especially body horror) but not grimdark or torture porn stuff. I'm not opposed to licensed works.

The favorite things I've read recently are a few of the Aubrey and Maturin books, a bunch of nonfiction about 19th century European navies, and the Locked Tomb books. I have strange tastes.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Luigi Thirty posted:

I'm trying to start reading more genre fiction to rip off for whatever tabletop campaign I'm playing in enjoy. Either sci-fi or fantasy is cool and I love a good space opera as long as it doesn't disappear up its own rear end. Swordplay is a plus. I have a high tolerance for worldbuilding and political intrigue. Difficult to read is usually fine for me.

I don't think I'm looking for hard sci-fi but I'll take it. I like horror (especially body horror) but not grimdark or torture porn stuff. I'm not opposed to licensed works.

The favorite things I've read recently are a few of the Aubrey and Maturin books, a bunch of nonfiction about 19th century European navies, and the Locked Tomb books. I have strange tastes.

Implied Spaces by Walter Jon Williams is chock-ful of weird sci-fi ideas and it has swords! I'll quote my old review for it: "It opens with a lonely swordsman in a magical Middle Eastern-themed fantasy world and then explodes into a much larger scope of a post-singularity world where there are many utopias and pocket universes for humanity to live in, all ruled by benevolent AIs and many many humans.

This is, first and foremost, an idea book. And that's part of what brings it down: while the author attempts character work and does a decent job at it, it's flat compared to how vibrant the ideas are."

If you're looking for ttrpg inspiration I have to recommend it!

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


The two books off the top of my head for stealing inspiration from are Invisible Cities by Italo Calvino and Fine Structure by qntm. Haven't finished Fine Structure but it gets pretty wild, Invisible Cities is absolutely off the rails for RPG inspiration and probably has shown up in the "other media" section in a few rulebooks you've read already (I think it was the main one for LANCER?).

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

Awesome, thanks. I'll check them out. I think the Locked Tomb's tonal whiplash being like a tabletop game worked better for me than someone going in expecting all serious all the time.

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Selachian posted:

And if you liked the Navidson Record parts, maybe check out Piranesi?

This is a good suggestion, I read this earlier in the year.

Might be a left field suggestion but the exploration and part of the Navidson Record reminded me of Rendezvous with Rama, what with exploring a vast alien space.

If the experimental layout stuff is your jam you could also check out the Raw Shark Texts

FPyat
Jan 17, 2020

Luigi Thirty posted:

I'm trying to start reading more genre fiction to rip off for whatever tabletop campaign I'm playing in enjoy. Either sci-fi or fantasy is cool and I love a good space opera as long as it doesn't disappear up its own rear end. Swordplay is a plus. I have a high tolerance for worldbuilding and political intrigue. Difficult to read is usually fine for me.

I don't think I'm looking for hard sci-fi but I'll take it. I like horror (especially body horror) but not grimdark or torture porn stuff. I'm not opposed to licensed works.

The favorite things I've read recently are a few of the Aubrey and Maturin books, a bunch of nonfiction about 19th century European navies, and the Locked Tomb books. I have strange tastes.

The Scar by China Mieville is a nautical fantasy adventure with the coolest sword ever.

My ask: Watching Better Call Saul made me realize that I don't know of any good fiction or nonfiction books with lawyers making cool clever maneuvers or arguments. I guess I could try some John Grisham,.

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



FPyat posted:

The Scar by China Mieville is a nautical fantasy adventure with the coolest sword ever.

My ask: Watching Better Call Saul made me realize that I don't know of any good fiction or nonfiction books with lawyers making cool clever maneuvers or arguments. I guess I could try some John Grisham,.

I'm not a Grisham fan but I remember A Time To Kill being really good and worth reading

regulargonzalez
Aug 18, 2006
UNGH LET ME LICK THOSE BOOTS DADDY HULU ;-* ;-* ;-* YES YES GIVE ME ALL THE CORPORATE CUMMIES :shepspends: :shepspends: :shepspends: ADBLOCK USERS DESERVE THE DEATH PENALTY, DON'T THEY DADDY?
WHEN THE RICH GET RICHER I GET HORNIER :a2m::a2m::a2m::a2m:

The first three or four Grisham's are good, or they were when I read them in my late teens / early 20s. I think The Rainmaker is the first one I was seriously underwhelmed with and stopped there, but The Runaway Jury was pretty silly in parts too.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Tulip posted:

The two books off the top of my head for stealing inspiration from are Invisible Cities by Italo Calvino

I guess I'll throw in Gorodischer's Kalpa Imperial, then.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

FPyat posted:

The Scar by China Mieville is a nautical fantasy adventure with the coolest sword ever.

My ask: Watching Better Call Saul made me realize that I don't know of any good fiction or nonfiction books with lawyers making cool clever maneuvers or arguments. I guess I could try some John Grisham,.

1) Perry Mason
2) Perry Mason
3) Perry Mason

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


3D Megadoodoo posted:

I guess I'll throw in Gorodischer's Kalpa Imperial, then.

This is enough to get me to grab a copy from the library, thanks!

CaptainCrunch
Mar 19, 2006
droppin Hamiltons!
I'm looking for books about mythology, but not the bog standard Greek/Norse/Egyptian stuff. Or even the faerie stuff from the UK. More from Africa, all over Asia, Pacific Islands, and so on.
Ideally books that go beyond the "main" gods of an area into the nitty gritty of all the overlooked stuff. Like how with Greek myths once you get past Zeus, Aphrodite, etc. you get things like the Erotes.

I guess I could break it down that I'm looking for:
Books about the gods from different areas.
Books about the monsters and mythical creatures from all over.
Books that actually tell the tales and myths from all over.

Looking to expand my home library on those subjects. Thanks!

LLSix
Jan 20, 2010

The real power behind countless overlords

CaptainCrunch posted:

I'm looking for books about mythology, but not the bog standard Greek/Norse/Egyptian stuff. Or even the faerie stuff from the UK. More from Africa, all over Asia, Pacific Islands, and so on.
Ideally books that go beyond the "main" gods of an area into the nitty gritty of all the overlooked stuff. Like how with Greek myths once you get past Zeus, Aphrodite, etc. you get things like the Erotes.

I guess I could break it down that I'm looking for:
Books about the gods from different areas.
Books about the monsters and mythical creatures from all over.
Books that actually tell the tales and myths from all over.

Looking to expand my home library on those subjects. Thanks!

Not a book, but I enjoy the https://www.mythpodcast.com/. It's got a good spread of myths and it usually has a short description of some obscure critter at the end of most episodes.

CaptainCrunch
Mar 19, 2006
droppin Hamiltons!

LLSix posted:

Not a book, but I enjoy the https://www.mythpodcast.com/. It's got a good spread of myths and it usually has a short description of some obscure critter at the end of most episodes.

Holy moly that’s a good start! 375 episodes, thank you.

(Don’t let this stop any other recommendations please)

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

StrixNebulosa posted:

Implied Spaces by Walter Jon Williams is chock-ful of weird sci-fi ideas and it has swords! I'll quote my old review for it: "It opens with a lonely swordsman in a magical Middle Eastern-themed fantasy world and then explodes into a much larger scope of a post-singularity world where there are many utopias and pocket universes for humanity to live in, all ruled by benevolent AIs and many many humans.

This is, first and foremost, an idea book. And that's part of what brings it down: while the author attempts character work and does a decent job at it, it's flat compared to how vibrant the ideas are."

If you're looking for ttrpg inspiration I have to recommend it!

I’ve been reading Shards of Earth and it sounds like you’d enjoy it as well

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

Thanks for the recs! I’ve got plenty to inspire me.

Dysthymia
May 13, 2022
I’m looking for a book/articles that describes the projected human impact of climate change— particularly in North America. I think it’s going to be the defining issue of my (zoomer) time.

I’d like the info to be up-to-date and reflect the current scientific consensus. I do not have a scientific background, so nothing too technical.

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



Dysthymia posted:

I’d like the info to be up-to-date and reflect the current scientific consensus.

Science isn't an organization that summarily agrees on something. Scientists agree climate change is happening/an issue, but there's hundreds of different theories as to it's effects, impacts, how to change it, how to adapt, etc, so you're not going to find a scientific concensus other than ITS GONNA GET REAL FUCKIN HOT

In my experience reading on climate change it's a lot like an Inconvienent Truth: Al Gore was right about climate change, it's urgency, and it's global threat. But New York City isn't underwater like he predicted it would be, and that alarmism probably made a lot of people ignore climate change completely.

Kvlt! fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Jul 27, 2022

Dysthymia
May 13, 2022

Kvlt! posted:

Science isn't an organization that summarily agrees on something. Scientists agree climate change is happening/an issue, but there's hundreds of different theories as to it's effects, impacts, how to change it, how to adapt, etc, so you're not going to find a scientific concensus other than ITS GONNA GET REAL FUCKIN HOT

In my experience reading on climate change it's a lot like an Inconvienent Truth: Al Gore was right about climate change, it's urgency, and it's global threat. But New York City isn't underwater like he predicted it would be, and that alarmism probably made a lot of people ignore climate change completely.

I’m aware of the lack of an absolute consensus. However, I think experts can make reasoned projections based on evidence. The recent UN report is an example of this.

I 100% agree about climate change alarmism, whether it’s borne out of incomplete information or political opportunism. The “there will be no planet Earth in 10 years!” takes just muddy the water. Still, I think climate change will have severe consequences in the coming decades.

I guess I’m looking for something in the vein of Inconvenient Truth but more current.

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

Dysthymia posted:

I’m looking for a book/articles that describes the projected human impact of climate change— particularly in North America. I think it’s going to be the defining issue of my (zoomer) time.

I’d like the info to be up-to-date and reflect the current scientific consensus. I do not have a scientific background, so nothing too technical.

The Uninhabitable Earth is great but out of date now. (Climate change effects are always worse and always happen faster than our conservative models predict)

The End of Ice is mostly about climate grief but goes into the science a little and profiles some communities.

Under a White Sky covers the state of geoengineering and other adaptation attempts.

Overheated goes into the state of labour and green new deal stuff, but handles a lot of the science from that perspective.

This Changes Everything: Capitalism Versus the Climate is another outdated and optimistic take on labour and class relations in climate change. Overheated is American in focus and This Changes Everything is more international.

Our History is the Future situates the struggle for climate justice in the history of resistance to racial capitalism and colonialism. It - and This Changes Everything above - also helps settlers understand the key moral high ground and imperative that Indigenous climate justice leadership represents.

The IPCC reports are all available online and the shared economic pathways are basically optimistic climate fiction but other than that are highly readable and they got me terrified enough to search for more literature and do some activism.

Comedy options based on your conservative perspective (no offense, you’re here asking for recommendations after all!): Going Dark, In The Dust of This Planet, Capitalist Realism.

tuyop fucked around with this message at 11:59 on Jul 28, 2022

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

I find the best books to read on climate and such is just straight fiction. we all, broadly speaking, know enough of the facts to be able to summarise what's going on with a few sentences, and good quality magazines and newspapers manage to disseminate both IPCC and any new research in an understandable way (the biggest problem as of now is most politicians not doing anything meaningful because they're all bound by the massive industries and wealthy people responsible for the mess we're in.) what we don't have yet is an idea of how it will be to live with a rapidly collapsing environment, and that's where fiction can come in

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe
All of my recommendations, including the IPCC reports (but not the comedy options) share some vision of the future in the same way clifi stuff does, just attempting to base it in data and analysis instead of more speculation.

Take the plunge! Okay!
Feb 24, 2007



ulvir posted:

what we don't have yet is an idea of how it will be to live with a rapidly collapsing environment, and that's where fiction can come in

I kind of disagree with this. Large communities and even entire indigenous nations have already experienced this and have been practically wiped out by the climate collapse. Take a look at what's been happening in the Arctic and in the Sahel region of Africa in the past decade or so. If you mean "we" as in citizens of Europe/continental US and majority of posters in this forum, OK, fair enough.

That being said, I enjoyed The Uninhabitable Earth a few years ago. And by enjoyed I mean to say read it in a single sitting after which I slid into depression.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Take the plunge! Okay! posted:

I kind of disagree with this. Large communities and even entire indigenous nations have already experienced this and have been practically wiped out by the climate collapse. Take a look at what's been happening in the Arctic and in the Sahel region of Africa in the past decade or so. If you mean "we" as in citizens of Europe/continental US and majority of posters in this forum, OK, fair enough.

That being said, I enjoyed The Uninhabitable Earth a few years ago. And by enjoyed I mean to say read it in a single sitting after which I slid into depression.

The collapse has already begun even in "the West". It's just not rapid yet.

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

Take the plunge! Okay! posted:

I kind of disagree with this. Large communities and even entire indigenous nations have already experienced this and have been practically wiped out by the climate collapse. Take a look at what's been happening in the Arctic and in the Sahel region of Africa in the past decade or so. If you mean "we" as in citizens of Europe/continental US and majority of posters in this forum, OK, fair enough.

That being said, I enjoyed The Uninhabitable Earth a few years ago. And by enjoyed I mean to say read it in a single sitting after which I slid into depression.

I live in the arctic region, and we’re beginning to notice the effects with more frequent heatwaves, very dry springs etc., and Im not going to pretend that things are not dire in africa and other places already. I might have phrased it a bit poorly, what I meant was how IPCC/climate research says life will be like 50 or 100 years from now when the collapse is way past what it is today

edit: forgot to add a very important "not"

ulvir fucked around with this message at 13:05 on Jul 28, 2022

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

and obviously, this summer has given large parts of europe a taste of what it’s gonna be like from now on

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

ulvir posted:

and obviously, this summer has given large parts of europe a taste of what it’s gonna be like from now on

It's the Winters that are more important (at this point in time), as more and more pests are able to overwinter in areas where they have never been able to before.

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

3D Megadoodoo posted:

It's the Winters that are more important (at this point in time), as more and more pests are able to overwinter in areas where they have never been able to before.

our country's whole electric infrastructure is also heavily reliant on hydropower, and warmer winters means less snow which means less water reserves for our dams come early spring, which .... yeah :smith:

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe
Hell go read Silent Spring. Nothing significant has changed since.

Dysthymia
May 13, 2022
I think I’ll start with The Uninhabitable Earth and some write-ups on the IPCC report. I appreciate everyone’s feedback.

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

I found Bill McKibben's The Global Warming Reader fascinating, although at ten years old it's probably ancient history by now.

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


I find it very easy to recommend one of the older climate change novels, ICE by Anna Kavan, just in general as a piece of fiction.

CapnAndy
Feb 27, 2004

Some teeth long for ripping, gleaming wet from black dog gums. So you keep your eyes closed at the end. You don't want to see such a mouth up close. before the bite, before its oblivion in the goring of your soft parts, the speckled lips will curl back in a whinny of excitement. You just know it.

regulargonzalez posted:

Lovecraft in general
Stephen King - The Shining
Stephen King - 1408 (story story, maybe his best written piece)
King himself did two Lovecraft pastiches -- "Jerusalem's Lot" (not 'Salem's Lot, which is the vampire novel), collected in Night Shift, is the purer one. King writes a Lovecraft story in Lovecraft's style, with Lovecraftian language. "Crouch End", collected in Nightmares and Dreamscapes, is the better one. King writes a Lovecraft story in his own style and language and it is genuinely so loving creepy.

Luigi Thirty posted:

I'm trying to start reading more genre fiction to rip off for whatever tabletop campaign I'm playing in enjoy. Either sci-fi or fantasy is cool and I love a good space opera as long as it doesn't disappear up its own rear end. Swordplay is a plus. I have a high tolerance for worldbuilding and political intrigue. Difficult to read is usually fine for me.
So you want fantasy with swordplay or sci-fi, lots of worldbuilding, and political intrigue. Okay, I'll do the obvious one, then.

Have you already read the Expanse series and the various works of Brandon Sanderson?

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


tuyop posted:

Hell go read Silent Spring. Nothing significant has changed since.

On these lines toss in Global Warming: The Greenpeace Report from the late 80s for a little depressing look at the now laughably modest cuts we were advocating for back then. What could have been :smith:

COPE 27
Sep 11, 2006

I 'liked' for lack of a better word, "Learning to die in the Antropocene"

The canonical answer that hasn't been mentioned yet is "The Sixth Extinction" and "No Immediate Danger"/"No Good Alternative"

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

Bilirubin posted:

On these lines toss in Global Warming: The Greenpeace Report from the late 80s for a little depressing look at the now laughably modest cuts we were advocating for back then. What could have been :smith:

Monbiot’s Heat (2009) is also adorable. I really like to break it out whenever some liberal tells me we need a “gradual transition” until the “technology is there”.

He basically goes through UK society in 2008 and talks about various ways to continue the lifestyle while reducing emissions by 70-100%. Like, “a grocery store is an absurd building. We drive our individual air conditioned vehicles to this big air conditioned building full of freezers without doors, pick out our goods and top off our gas tanks on the way back home” and he proposed, iirc, turning grocery stores into warehouses with solar panels on top and distributing grocery orders (placed online or by telephone) via electric vans.

Also the first book where I learned about gravity batteries.

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

Tulip posted:

I find it very easy to recommend one of the older climate change novels, ICE by Anna Kavan, just in general as a piece of fiction.

that book is very good but doesn't really have anything to do with the modern understanding of climate change and it's not really sci fi as such since it's not particularly interested in what a frozen earth would actually be like, the ice is mostly used to create dreamlike imagery.

Punkin Spunkin
Jan 1, 2010

Tulip posted:

The two books off the top of my head for stealing inspiration from are Invisible Cities by Italo Calvino and Fine Structure by qntm. Haven't finished Fine Structure but it gets pretty wild, Invisible Cities is absolutely off the rails for RPG inspiration and probably has shown up in the "other media" section in a few rulebooks you've read already (I think it was the main one for LANCER?).
will second Invisible Cities, big big fan.


also for absolutely off the wall sci-fi silly climate change poo poo, I love JG Ballard's The Drowned World. Written in 1962.

quote:

The novel depicts a post-apocalyptic future in which global warming caused by heightened solar radiation has rendered much of the Earth's surface uninhabitable. The story follows a team of scientists researching environmental developments in a flooded, abandoned London.
Climate change has gradually shifted earth's climate into a new Triassic Age, resulting in giant rear end bugs, giant lizards, lotta tropical rainforest, and people's like, "reptilian" instincts being triggered?? It's fun.

Punkin Spunkin fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Jul 30, 2022

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neurotech
Apr 22, 2004

Deep in my dreams and I still hear her callin'
If you're alone, I'll come home.

I'm looking for a good fantasy book that is about thieves. Does anyone have any recommendations?

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