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I watched the first two Golden Age films on Netflix today. This is the most bizarrely inconsistent looking production I've seen in a long time. It's not that they go off model, they stay on model all the time but the resolution and character detail varies at the drop of a hat. One moment everything looks absolutely gorgeous and the next moment it's a PS1 perendered cinematic. It's so weird. Apart from that it's a decent take on the arc even if I prefer the OG show better.
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Harlock posted:Where the manga has gone in recent years is a place where swinging a giant sword isn't the answer anymore. That's my take on it at least. Counterpoint: a proper fight between Guts and Femto would be Rad As Hell.
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Aug 13, 2022 04:56
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I had this weird idea that in order for Guts to be able to fight Griffith, Guts would need to go to Hell and kill all the souls trapped there, which would not only free them of their torment but also weaken the Godhand. And eventually I realized that I was sort of taking ideas from the video game Dante's Inferno.
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Aug 13, 2022 04:57
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Arc Hammer posted:I watched the first two Golden Age films on Netflix today. This is the most bizarrely inconsistent looking production I've seen in a long time. It's not that they go off model, they stay on model all the time but the resolution and character detail varies at the drop of a hat. One moment everything looks absolutely gorgeous and the next moment it's a PS1 perendered cinematic. It's so weird. Apart from that it's a decent take on the arc even if I prefer the OG show better. IIRC they were experimenting with some new animation technique that tried to emulate the look and feel of 2D animation with 3D models by doing things like futzing around with the framerate. It was an interesting idea in theory but it didn't look so great in practice.
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Aug 13, 2022 05:36
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No Dignity posted:One day we'll look back and say 'it may have taken 40 years to complete and the original author didn't live to see the end, but when it was all said and done Guts sure did kill the hell out of Griffith'  I am a very simple man. This is all I want. Casca not being a damsel would be cool too but being harsh for a moment, the apprentices really don't seem to have a great grasp on characters yet and many likely weren't even born the last time Casca was written as a full character with active agency in the story. My standards are pretty low, but I do hope they can at least clear the bar where if Casca is back-- she's now part of the story, and not just an ornament for Griffith and Guts to posture around. DeadBonesBrook posted:"When all is said and done, I really did go Berserk" - Guts in the final panel of the manga. MechanicalTomPetty posted:IIRC they were experimenting with some new animation technique that tried to emulate the look and feel of 2D animation with 3D models by doing things like futzing around with the framerate. It was an interesting idea in theory but it didn't look so great in practice.
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Aug 13, 2022 05:55
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It's an interesting experiment but when the films look their best is when the movements are small and subtle. Guts and Casca in the cave at the start of movie 2 had some excellent use of subtle face expressions that the 3D models allowed, but most of the battle scenes suffered from shaky cam, ramp up and slow down framerates and being stuck in the barren featureless desert of blurry texture anime flat terrain that I absolutely hate. But despite the weird and janky rear end animation it's still Berserk and I like that the dub cast is the same.
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Aug 13, 2022 06:16
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Guts face made me feel sad. This chapter made me think of the dream where Guts is dead and buried, Griffith is still paraplegic yet looking healthy with Casca tending to him.
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Aug 13, 2022 06:16
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mind the walrus posted:Casca not being a damsel would be cool too but being harsh for a moment, the apprentices really don't seem to have a great grasp on characters yet and many likely weren't even born the last time Casca was written as a full character with active agency in the story. My standards are pretty low, but I do hope they can at least clear the bar where if Casca is back-- she's now part of the story, and not just an ornament for Griffith and Guts to posture around. Studio Gaga have the general arc of the story from Mori Kouji. Where they'll inevitably stumble (and inevitably improve) is the minutiae of moment-to-moment characterization, not major events like Casca being whisked away—that would have happened under Miura too. Now, Miura did not have a perfect track record when it comes to giving women space and agency in his story, but he was well above the average among his peers. Casca being abducted sucks, but it is deliberately frustrating and infuriating. Maybe I'll be proven wrong but calling this "getting damseled" seems inconsistent with the careful groundwork that's been laid throughout the story. If you think Casca being stolen away to Falconia—home to Midland nobles and apostles, weird psychic girls and Princess Charlotte, not to mention possibly subject to a combined Bakiraka/Rickert raid—means she won't play an active part in events to come, we haven't been reading the same manga. (now watch Griffith dump Casca on some remote mountaintop never to be seen again, RIP)
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Aug 13, 2022 10:15
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To be clear, I want to trust in Miura's plan, it's just I'm also a little heartbroken Guts and Casca can't have more time to heal together. Despite the series' abrupt ending (before Mori took over the reigns), that they were still together at Elfhelm brought me a kind of peace. Guts' anguish is also mine. Stab him in the dick, Guts.
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Aug 13, 2022 11:43
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Bad Seafood posted:To be clear, I want to trust in Miura's plan, it's just I'm also a little heartbroken Guts and Casca can't have more time to heal together. Despite the series' abrupt ending (before Mori took over the reigns), that they were still together at Elfhelm brought me a kind of peace. Guts' anguish is also mine. Guts seemed cautiously reserved. He already had lots of time with Casca hating him and even blamed himself for some of that. He knows he still has that beast inside and is trying his best not to let it out. At least being around Casca he had a chance of seeing a change, however, because he's certainly built up trust with his little group. Very soon might see a shift to Rickert's story. It feels like the endgame otherwise since Guts is out of options at this point: He either becomes an alcoholic or destroys everything, because what died in that last frame was hope.
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Aug 13, 2022 16:45
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Yeah, it still wasn't a happy situation, but things like Casca being able to have a conversation with Guts (so long as she wasn't looking at him), and both of them playing (separately) with their son brought some emotional closure to me. Obviously Casca not being able to even look at Guts would be a major narrative hurdle to overcome, but all the same, I'm sad the opportunity wasn't explored. Even trying and failing (before getting whisked away) would be a little more time "Together."
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Aug 13, 2022 17:04
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The obvious solution was for Guts to wear a paper bag over his head for the rest of the manga.
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Aug 13, 2022 17:05
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The Bag Swordsman.
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Aug 13, 2022 17:06
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I'm surprised the elf queen turned out to be such a nothingburger. They kinda hyped her up and I figured when Griffith inevitably showed up on the island she'd at least be able to do... something to help? Instead she just freaks out that he's there and ends up cowering behind Isidro of all people, lol.
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Aug 13, 2022 21:07
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I finished watching the Golden Age movies today. The third one was definitely the best of the three. That being said, I don't think it's possible to make Casca's rape any less awkward or gratuitous. I know that the "tasteful rape scene" is an oxymoron but I had hopes that the movies would be a little less awkward about it, considering that the nudity and sex across the three films is surprisingly well handled. It doesn't instantly turn into a hentai animator's wank fest of fanservice shots and bizarre camera angles. So getting to the eclipse and tentacle horsecock rape poo poo that wouldn't look out of place in a porno makes the whole sequence of the film feel dirty. But then Skull Knight wrecks poo poo and that's cool. Still, it was a good movie and I'm looking forward to my housemate watching it. I watched the original show years back so I knew what was coming but he's never read the manga or watched the OG, so he's in for a trip since his only exposure to Berserk has been these movies and the Guts theme meme. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Aug 13, 2022 |
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Aug 13, 2022 22:51
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Are you aware there's an extended cut of the trilogy (in the form of a TV show) coming in October? Might be interesting to put your housemate through that instead, if you can wait.
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Aug 13, 2022 23:23
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I didn't know that. Is it new animation or are they recycling the film footage with some new scenes? Or is it being done by the 2016 series people? My housemate actually started watching the films the other day so i sat in since I hadn't seen them yet, but he's gone for the weekend while I wanted to keep going.
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Aug 13, 2022 23:26
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They're adding in deleted scenes and apparently even called back in the voice actors to record new material so there might be even more inserted on top of that (or at the very least revised). They've made a big deal about finally putting in the Bonfire of Dreams sequence Also new music from Susumu Hirasawa, that's cool
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Aug 14, 2022 00:06
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Honestly they'd need to add footage back in just to make proper episode runtimes. There are some awkward as hell cuts in the movies where you know stuff is being stripped down for time. And I know it's probably too much to hope for the old English cast to come back again. Hopefully they'll get a shot at dubbing it after it airs rather than a simulcast.
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Aug 14, 2022 00:16
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I'd imagine they will, I felt like Funimation contracted out the dub job of Berserk 2016 to Bang Zoom instead of NYAV Post because of the overall (low) quality, so fingers crossed that they bring back the OG dub team Also hoping they revise the Boscogn vs. Guts fight to include the sword toss from Zodd, because the change they made was completely pointless and wack as gently caress
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Aug 14, 2022 00:35
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Good soup! posted:Also hoping they revise the Boscogn vs. Guts fight to include the sword toss from Zodd, because the change they made was completely pointless and wack as gently caress Was just about to post the same.
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Good soup! posted:Also hoping they revise the Boscogn vs. Guts fight to include the sword toss from Zodd, because the change they made was completely pointless and wack as gently caress Yeah this was a particularly dumb one for me. The change that they added didn't save much on anything and made the story make less sense.
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I guess it's a bit late if they already started the movies, but the anime is still a better introduction and only runs what, 21min*25 episodes, 8.75hr total, versus 4.75hr for the three movies. The movies do an okay job of introducing the characters but you miss out on the motivations, many of the tactics and some of the political posturing. The anime seems to do a better job of hooking the viewer back into a rewatch. And there's the soundtrack. In my opinion. I've never watched any of these dubbed. The Japanese cast is amazing.
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Aug 14, 2022 03:35
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LordMune posted:It's really great, I think it puts several concerns people have with the continuation to rest. My feelings about the new chapters are that they don’t really capture the gravitas of old Berserk. But it could also be because I know it’s not from Miura so I’m viewing every story decision with suspicion instead of revelling in it,
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the movies are just too fast-paced. if they’re your introduction to Berserk you end up missing out on a lot of the more quiet scenes, including some of the defining moments of the series (like the aforementioned bonfire of dreams) Augus fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Aug 14, 2022 |
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Augus posted:the movies are just too fast-paced. you end up missing out on a lot of the more quiet scenes, including some of the defining moments of the series  Any with actual side by side scene lineups?ps there are some voice comparisons available. https://youtu.be/EFkJpTCqjVQ I can't stop laughing at the dub actor, he sounds like he's reading a children's book. 
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Well they're not my introduction and I do agree the show is better but the films are an interesting comparison piece. And with regards to my housemate I'm basically watching this Game of Thrones style to see his reaction when it flips from mostly grounded medieval fantasy to cosmic horror nightmare. I'd like it if he could watch the anime but the films are good enough for that reaction.
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Aug 14, 2022 04:05
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You're all missing the silver lining here: Casca joining Rickert's crew.
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Rickert is the President of Antifa
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfD7nScwPb8
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Ccs posted:My feelings about the new chapters are that they don’t really capture the gravitas of old Berserk. But it could also be because I know it’s not from Miura so I’m viewing every story decision with suspicion instead of revelling in it, That's not a problem, really. Anyone with two half-firing neurons knew that would happen. I don't personally hold that against the new chapters whatsoever and anyone who does is being a dick. If you told my work team that we suddenly had to do my dead boss's job and the whole world would be scrutinizing us, I'd break down in a pile of piss and tears halfway through the first day. They've been asked to fill the shoes of one of their industry greats. They're doing some impressive loving work. The fact that they've kept everything so on-model in terms of design and even detail is astounding, even if the first two chapters read much more like something out of Shonen Jump's back half. And it's ok to acknowledge that they're not Miura, and it's not "negativity" to point that out. "Oh no you're not as good as one of the greatest manga artists of all time"  like if that's enough to shatter your ego and whatever circlejerk of forced positivity you apparently need just to function, then you had issues before you even got here.
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Also when's the last time berserk released three chapters in three months?
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Recognizing neo-Berserk for what it is is healthy, I think— Miura is effectively an impossible act to follow and we all know it. But being aggrieved that the manga is now in the 85th percentile of overall quality rather than the 99.9th, which I'm seeing in some quarters, is absurd to me. (People were complaining about Miura's changing art style and transition to digital for years before his death. Somehow complaints about the art is the one constant criticism of the objectively most visually impressive manga ever conceived.) Concerns about story beats is a more understandable emotional response, but it is an emotional one; we now know that Mori has the story and that Berserk's plotting was always less off-the-cuff than many had assumed. Execution will wobble a bit going forward. It's a shame we won't get exactly what we might have gotten, but well, a generational talent died and that's a loss the world will never fully recover from. PhantomOfTheCopier posted:Also when's the last time berserk released three chapters in three months? Four chapters in less than three months, even!
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:Also when's the last time berserk released three chapters in three months? When was the last time we got three chapters in a year, lol. Yeah, pretty much this. The composition and paneling are less dynamic and there have been a couple times here and there where I thought something looked kinda off model, but it's not egregious and honestly it's kinda crazy that Miura's assistants are able to mimic his style to the point they currently are. The new chapters are less about trying to live up to the absolute grandeur of Miura and more about giving people an ending to the story that aligns as closely as possible to the original vision imparted to Mori and Miura's assistants.
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:I've never watched any of these dubbed. The Japanese cast is amazing. I really really wish they didn't recast the Japanese voices for the movies and 2016 because I loving love the original voice for guts and I had gotten so used to it from 97, the Dreamcast game (imported version hell yeah) and the PS2 game which did a bunch of scenes better than the most recent series which is embarrassing as hell lol The dub for Berserk 97 isn't perfect but came out at a time when most dubs were firmly jokes IMO, and it improved as the series went along.
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I have never watched any of the berserk dubs either...but I still love the 97 dub because the outtakes are great.
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The dub of the 90’s anime is good. It’s hard to imagine anyone else voicing Guts, Griffith, and Casca in English.
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Augus posted:The dub of the 90’s anime is good. It’s hard to imagine anyone else voicing Guts, Griffith, and Casca in English. On the contrary, it is easy to imagine. Guts should be voiced by Will Ferrell. Casca should be voiced by Kristen Schaal. Griffith should be voiced by Emo Phillips or maybe Bootsy Collins. Fake edit: Should Puck be voiced by Chris Tucker or Gilbert Gottfried?
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aparmenideanmonad posted:I have never watched any of the berserk dubs either...but I still love the 97 dub because the outtakes are great. In my head, Griffith is always singing show tunes when he's not on-screen.
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Legitimately one of the best scenes in the entire manga. Holy poo poo It's just a master class in build up. Rickert, the little kid running along with the band of the hawk, giving Griffith, a living god, the ultimate disrespect in front of his court. He's the secret protagonist of the fantasy novel that's been running in the background all this time - idolizes his hero - his war band gets horribly betrayed, with supernatural forces slaughtering them - the hero returns, but a terribly hosed-up grim-dark survivor of the disaster reveals the hero betrayed them all - he gets a love interest and fights for survival by inventing medieval pipebombs and stuff - he meets the hero again, now a "saviour" of humanity, and slaps the poo poo out of him - assassins come after him, but by allying with a powerful former enemy from a foreign nation, he escapes - training sequence with badass super assassins - returning to avenge the fallen and fight Griffith??? Guts needs a rest, and deserves a happy ending. I believe that Zodd will be Guts' final "real" fight, because it's the only way Zodd would ever want to go out. The fight with Griffith - while there may be blade crossing involved - will likely be more abstract, and unresolved. But Rickert has it all set up. He's got no trauma associated with the relentless quest for revenge. Him, being the one to judge and defeat Griffith for real? I can see that happen. (cut to: Guts refusing to duel Griffith, pointing instead at Rickert who has a bazooka)
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