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Sekenr posted:Well, I mean WTF Honestly? Morticians can do a lot of work.
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Could be anything from a good touch-up to a straight-up wax mask, morticians got a lot of tricks up their sleeves to make their customers look good one last time. It's the least weird thing about the whole funeral.
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Morrow posted:Honestly? Morticians can do a lot of work. She was impossible to identify Not to mention the sudden retcon from "burt so bad, impossible to identify" to "actually died of shock" Sekenr fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Aug 23, 2022 |
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Aug 23, 2022 18:12
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A nice little history mini-lesson: https://mobile.twitter.com/OPolianichev/status/1561800195708534788 The comparison with Algeria is also interesting since I am pretty sure France tried to integrate it more than was usual for colonies?
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OddObserver posted:A nice little history mini-lesson:
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Fyi shock in a medical context means there is not enough blood flow. There are a bunch of reasons for that, and one of them is of course blood loss. Edit: also reporting after any sort of incident often changes quite a lot. Adenoid Dan fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Aug 23, 2022 |
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Aug 23, 2022 18:41
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OddObserver posted:A nice little history mini-lesson: Yes, Algeria was considered an integral part of the French nation, similar to somewhere like French Guiana today, to the point that it was organized into Départements. This was in stark contrast to the likes of French West Africa and French Equatorial Africa which were much more traditional colonial government organised around the Governor General, one of whom, Félix Éboué was actually a Black man from French Guiana. Of course in Algeria there was a segregated system of government that deprived the indigenous population, essentially the only people who benefit from Algeria's special status were the colonists from mainland France.
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Adenoid Dan posted:Fyi shock in a medical context means there is not enough blood flow. There are a bunch of reasons for that, and one of them is of course blood loss. I suspect maybe she wasn't wearing a seatbelt and got thrown out the windshield. Windshield glass can tear you up enough for bloodloss if the blunt force trauma doesn't get you first.
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Sekenr posted:She was impossible to identify That doesn’t strike me as a retcon at all. Burn shock is a deadly. If you were burnt too bad to identify, the shock probably killed you. I just want to clear up what shock is since a lot of people seem confused. In medical terms, shock is a lack of organ/tissue profusion by blood and thus lack of oxygenation to vital organs. Shock due to loss of blood is specifically called hypovolemic shock, but there are multiples kinds of shock. Burns often lead to hypovolemic, cardiogenic and distributive shock all at the same time, which is one of the reasons they are so deadly and hard to work with. If a concussive blast didn’t kill this lady, then I am sure she died from shock. Chill Monster fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Aug 23, 2022 |
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Aug 23, 2022 18:51
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KitConstantine posted:I suspect maybe she wasn't wearing a seatbelt and got thrown out the windshield. Windshield glass can tear you up enough for bloodloss if the blunt force trauma doesn't get you first. Pretty sure a bomb under the seat could exsanguinate most victims to the same result as well.
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Just Another Lurker posted:Pretty sure a bomb under the seat could exsanguinate most victims to the same result as well. Oh, I must have misread at some point - I thought it was under the car on the driver's side. If it was in the cabin then yeah absolutely Reporting from a Russian outlet on troops in Ukraine trying to refuse to fight and not being allowed to leave. Also contains Russian soldiers attesting that their commander told them to shoot civilians, and names names. It's a really good read https://twitter.com/KyleWOrton/status/1562104701931458562?s=20&t=2r1egZXiqwfo83Geo1ZxKg https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/08/19/the-commanders-don-t-give-a-poo poo-about-us quote:... Ukraine still has planes apparently. Are those trails air defenses or from the planes shooting? either way wild footage https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1562102606197047296?s=20&t=2r1egZXiqwfo83Geo1ZxKg
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KitConstantine posted:Oh, I must have misread at some point - I thought it was under the car on the driver's side. If it was in the cabin then yeah absolutely I only assumed/thought it was on the driver side, you are better with the info than i.  Either way i think an explosive device in or under a car would more likely damage the lower torso/groin in a seated position, serious blood loss would be hard to stop.
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KitConstantine posted:I suspect maybe she wasn't wearing a seatbelt and got thrown out the windshield. Windshield glass can tear you up enough for bloodloss if the blunt force trauma doesn't get you first. Her corpse is at Dugin's feet in the video where he's holding his hands up to his face. He's facing away from her, and another photo shows her lower half was badly damaged, so it looks like she was blown out of the car.
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KitConstantine posted:
 Not sure what the darker black smoke is, think it's from flares dropped as the planes flew over the russian position kinda towards the camera from left to right. From what I can tell the lighter smoke trail is a SAM launched at the first plane which flares and narrowly avoids it, then the second plane drops flares around the same point. kemikalkadet fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Aug 23, 2022 |
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Aug 23, 2022 19:35
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Just Another Lurker posted:I only assumed/thought it was on the driver side, you are better with the info than i. I've seen it stated that it was under the driver's seat in articles speculating as to whether she was the target (the car was hers). The footage of her father at the scene appears to show him standing over her body, very far from the burning wreck, so it seems likely that she was thrown clear by the blast or at least removed from the vehicle before it became engulfed in flames. The body is blurred in the footage.
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https://twitter.com/TheIntlMagz/status/1562118153559511040 Anymore information on this?
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khwarezm posted:https://twitter.com/TheIntlMagz/status/1562118153559511040 https://twitter.com/TheIntlMagz/status/1562001499148140549?s=20&t=OFupBDNFWGmsOGXDK2NXaw What do you think?
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Google found me this, which seems to give some background. https://mobile.twitter.com/te_rowley/status/1549360439464808448
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Shes Not Impressed posted:https://twitter.com/TheIntlMagz/status/1562001499148140549?s=20&t=OFupBDNFWGmsOGXDK2NXaw I know I get grief about posting stuff from the 'wrong' sources but its hard to get genuine criticism of Ukrainian policy from a lot of mainstream publications at the moment, and Rust Martialis post really does seem to show that this is a massive move against organized labour in Ukraine that will hurt a lot of people, war or not.
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khwarezm posted:I know I get grief about posting stuff from the 'wrong' sources but its hard to get genuine criticism of Ukrainian policy from a lot of mainstream publications at the moment, and Rust Martialis post really does seem to show that this is a massive move against organized labour in Ukraine that will hurt a lot of people, war or not. Ukrainian socialist sources exist, including in English. There is never a good reason to link to Russian fascists. Edit: I would start with Socialniy Rukh and Taras Bilous. OddObserver fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Aug 23, 2022 |
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If there's one thing Zelenskyi and his team can be rightfully criticised for, it's their ardent adherence to libertarian ideals when it comes to labour regulations. It's not a new trend, a whole bunch of changes have been already introduced since 2020, and this law in particular was in the works for over a year now. With Servant of the People's supermajority in the Rada, it would have passed anyway, but maybe with a bit more pushback.
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Paladinus posted:If there's one thing Zelenskyi and his team can be rightfully criticised for, it's their ardent adherence to libertarian ideals when it comes to labour regulations. It's not a new trend, a whole bunch of changes have been already introduced since 2020, and this law in particular was in the works for over a year now. With Servant of the People's supermajority in the Rada, it would have passed anyway, but maybe with a bit more pushback. I wonder how compatible all that stuff is with EU law.
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Shes Not Impressed posted:https://twitter.com/anders_aslund/status/1562111015910838272?s=20&t=WVHl-M5uQP23f0Dj_HHDcA Tbf, this can actually happen! Artillery propellant can spontaneously ignite if in direct sunlight at ambient 130F / 54C. It burns hot and relatively slowly, and in smallish quantities can be used to heat water for cooking. (Don't try this at home, please.)
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khwarezm posted:https://twitter.com/TheIntlMagz/status/1562118153559511040 As comes with territory for the account at a glance, they’re sensationalist, and roughly a month behind the news. Ukrainian parliament did approve the law on July 19, and it got signed by Zelenskyy on August 17. The law targets SMBs (<251 headcount), rather than everyone, and only the employees of thereof with salary more than 8 times larger than the legal minimum wage. While SMBs are the majority employer, I haven’t seen the stats that would account for the salary threshold. Another important caveat that they neglect to mention is that not only the law was unpopular with the people, but also that it was unpopular with the parliament, which did only approve it after amending it on the second reading with a clause that constrains it to being in effect only for as long as the country is under martial law. When that is lifted, this law as-is is nil and void, on the same day. Furthermore, the government claims that they’ll have adopted and implemented the acquis (“EU law”) by 2024, which, as stated, is a safeguard against 5371 getting a future amendment establishing its permanence, since at-will employment is explicitly illegal in EU. Nevertheless, this is a problematic law for labourers while it is in effect, and does clearly signal that the government is prioritising survival of SMBs over consistent preservation of workers’ rights, even if it comes with some unexpected benefits like finally securing employee’s rights to set the duration of their holiday up to the longest duration permitted under the laws and their individual contract (before, employer could refuse you to give your 24 days off in one piece). Sources: https://itd.rada.gov.ua/billInfo/Bills/Card/26241 https://biz.ligazakon.net/ru/analitycs/213022_novaya-model-trudovykh-otnosheniy-s-rabotnikami-chto-izmenit-zakonoproekt-5371 (this will be readable well enough through DeepL translator) cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Aug 23, 2022 |
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Aug 23, 2022 21:46
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OddObserver posted:I wonder how compatible all that stuff is with EU law. It’s completely illegal from EU perspective.
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OddObserver posted:I wonder how compatible all that stuff is with EU law. Technically, it is compatible, because all new contracts are still required to be in accordance with Ukrainian and international labour law. The moment Ukraine joins EU, all contracts will need to be updated to accommodate EU laws.
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Paladinus posted:Technically, it is compatible, because all new contracts are still required to be in accordance with Ukrainian and international labour law. The moment Ukraine joins EU, all contracts will need to be updated to accommodate EU laws. Not quite. Candidate member states are under an obligation to implement the acquis communautaire significantly in advance of joining the EU, since besides adoption and implementation, in legal sense, enforcement of thereof is evaluated as well. Consequently, under assumption of continued course towards becoming an EU member state, Ukraine will need to have all EU laws fully operational years before they can formally become a member state.
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If invasion by a genocidal nuclear power isn’t exigent circumstances I don’t know what is.
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To give a better idea, here’s a picture: Pretty much majority began working on the acquis on the white dot, if not before, and the light blue line connecting “accession negotiations begin” and “accession treaty signed” is the period during which EU member states verify that all chapters of the acquis have been properly integrated. The average for that is about 4 years, median is over 5, for the current member states.
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I would like to read a non-biased evaluation of what Z did sign. The left labor outlets all parrot each other except for these guys Ukrainian workers suffered a setback on August 6, when President Volodymyr Zelenksy signed a new law allowing zero hour contracts. However, Zelensky did not sign a more dangerous law that would strip almost all workers of their right to collective bargaining and union protections. Both laws were passed by parliament on July 19. Zelensky did not sign draft law 5371 https://www.greenleft.org.au/content/ukraine-amid-putins-war-criticism-zelenskys-anti-labour-laws-grow ...so I remain curious.
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Yeah, it's definitely incompatible in practice.
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Paladinus posted:Yeah, it's definitely incompatible in practice. "This Law... becomes invalid from the date of termination or abolition of martial law", is what I'm getting from a closer reading of what Cinci linked to. It does appear to be contextual with respect to martial law.
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Having read what Ukraine's politics have been since the Maidan revolution, and actions taken under martial law, I have nothing but the utmost confidence that this law will be repealed, and not continued, 2-3 years from now when the war ends. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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the popes toes posted:"This Law... becomes invalid from the date of termination or abolition of martial law", It is, yes. That stipulation wasn't there originally, obviously.
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If you look at Sweden, Finland, and Austria - these were basically fully compliant countries before the negotiations, joining on a “just let them in bro” basis. They still toiled over a year each on the acquis compliance. Now Denmark, on the other hand, is a good question, how the gently caress did they adopt the acquis so quickly, with their 30-50 small exceptions. But that’s not for this thread. the popes toes posted:I would like to read a non-biased evaluation of what Z did sign. The left labor outlets all parrot each other except for these guys This is simply inaccurate, about 5371. It was signed the day before the article you link was published. They are broadly accurate about 5161 however, the “zero-hour” law. Quotation marks are there due to a factual inaccuracy on the hours - employees are entitled to receive pay for 32 hours on a monthly basis even if the corresponding work was never assigned to them. Any given company may also employ no more than 10% of employees with “labour contracts with non-fixed work duration”, as they’re called. Not at these are great conditions in any way or form, but the law doesn’t quite carry the parity with zero-hour contracts people will think of in other countries, e.g., the UK. You can read about it here: https://itd.rada.gov.ua/billInfo/Bills/Card/25760 https://borgexpert.com/ru/news/vvedena-novaia-forma-trudovoho-dohovora-s-nefyksyrovannym-rabochym-vremenem I can’t help you with finding unbiased analysis of the laws, but if you want to read commentary from Ukrainian lawyers in simple language - feed the second link in this post and the longer one above into https://www.deepl.com/ cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Aug 23, 2022 |
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There's going to be so much political will behind their EU membership process that I don't think there's any danger from these sorts of laws remaining once the war is over.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I can’t help you with finding unbiased analysis of the laws, but if you want to read commentary from Ukrainian lawyers in simple language - feed the second link in this post and the longer one above into https://www.deepl.com/
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cinci zoo sniper posted:If you look at Sweden, Finland, and Austria - these were basically fully compliant countries before the negotiations, joining on a “just let them in bro” basis. They still toiled over a year each on the acquis compliance. We joined way earlier. Denmark became a member back i 1973 when it was stil the EEC.
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