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CoolCab posted:it won't be a slow boil, it will be the final contradiction of something that has been happening a long time, largely the progressive conglomeration and monopolization of the pub industry. wetherspoons baby ultimately, and they'll keep the lights on i guarantee it. Regarde Aduck posted:no they all have to say that or the weird people on question time go really red
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A Buttery Pastry posted:i think that the point was that they're turning up the heat too fast. my point is they were never trying. they don't want to gradually idk remove access to pubs, the weird weatherspoons man wants every pound spent at a pub to be spent in his. doing a very good job thus far, probably some of the most cost effective open lobbying i can think of in my lifetime actually
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Aren’t pubs owned by breweries or something? Someone tried to explain it to me once.
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there was a series of books about a post nuked UK set in Scotland where there was nationalised beer rations or something. I'm gonna have to go look these up now.Gripweed posted:Of course you fuckers would be the ones to destroy the world Sarah Connor but she's going  at judgment day
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we had nationalized pub services in the UK up until the 70s, actually
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CoolCab posted:we had nationalized pub services in the UK up until the 70s, actually I am extremely interested in knowing more about this
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starmer to centralize popularity and approval ratings
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Fortaleza posted:I am extremely interested in knowing more about this sure. i think this was the most intense example, it happened in a couple of other munitions places too. originally more for social control than anything else, it progressively became about providing a socialized alternative to the profit driven options which would serve for the greater good of the community, individuals and the collective and as such was of course abolished by parliament in 1971.
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Gripweed posted:Of course you fuckers would be the ones to destroy the world what do you suggest, that she refuse to answer like infamous antisemite Jeremy Corbyn?
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it's an interesting example for privatization given it was completely ideological- the pubs were making profit and remained incredibly popular, despite years of underinvestment if you hear the old commies round here describe it. the reason for nationalization wasn't ideological either, that found it was so impossible to get private interests to stop loving selling hard alcohol to people who handle nitroglycerin during work hours it was easier to simply remove them from the equation all together is key i think. and like, allegedly, again as it's told, the experimental nature of the project attempting to infuse the experiment with things other than consuming alcohol extremely heavily influenced "pub culture" to this day with much more of a focus on being a community hub rather than a series of independent tables like a normal bar. the tories sold them to the beer companies for pennies on the pound after the legislation and what a surprise they've been left to decay with the very occasional cheap refit when poo poo is literally falling apart. they've reverted almost completely back to bars too, a lot of the "pub" culture has moved away from the city almost completely due to rents. electricity will likely finish the job except for tourist joints.
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that's so cool. communal kitchens should have nickel beer night
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Found the series/author and lmao https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/0340717033?ref_=dbs_m_mng_wam_calw_thcv_2&storeType=ebooks quote:By 2025, Britain has split into independent city-states, with Edinburgh as the "perfect city." Everything from electricity to sex is rationed, and a zero crime level has been achieved at the cost of individualism. "Quint" is a quintessential PI, whose existence is justified by sudden violence and relegated to the dregs when the effects of global warming hit Edinburgh. With water rationed, citizens are mindlessly devoted to two things: the year-round tourist festival and the weekly lottery (Grand Prize: a five-minute shower per week for a month). The mundane peace is shattered with the death of a demoted "auxiliary", or policeman, found in the Water of Leith. The only clue is a bottle of lethal contraband whisky and, as the body count rises, Quint must deal with duplicity, corruption and a ruthless conspiracy. 2025 seemed a long way away in 1999!
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I just had a think, and creating a complete monopoly on a specific service is actually a pretty good idea. Means you only have to nationalize a single rear end in a top hat's capital, rather than "stealing" it from thousands of small business owners.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:I just had a think, and creating a complete monopoly on a specific service is actually a pretty good idea. Means you only have to nationalize a single rear end in a top hat's capital, rather than "stealing" it from thousands of small business owners. it's been making US marxists salivate over amazon yeah bezos already did the hard work
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:Found the series/author and lmao i lolled at "the year-round tourist festival"
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i say swears online posted:it's been making US marxists salivate over amazon yeah
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CoolCab posted:it's an interesting example for privatization given it was completely ideological- the pubs were making profit and remained incredibly popular, despite years of underinvestment if you hear the old commies round here describe it. the reason for nationalization wasn't ideological either, that found it was so impossible to get private interests to stop loving selling hard alcohol to people who handle nitroglycerin during work hours it was easier to simply remove them from the equation all together is key i think. and like, allegedly, again as it's told, the experimental nature of the project attempting to infuse the experiment with things other than consuming alcohol extremely heavily influenced "pub culture" to this day with much more of a focus on being a community hub rather than a series of independent tables like a normal bar. Man that sounds nice. If that's social control then sign me the hell up. There was a similar impetus here in Portland around the same time since lumber workers were drinking too much and it's a dangerous enough job already. Instead of government control of saloons though one of the lumber magnates paid for a system of public drinking fountains all throughout downtown and gave it to the city. As far as I know it didn't work and people kept drinking until prohibition changed everything but the bronze fountains are beautiful and still around and working. We have a horrific homelessness problem but rest assured everyone's well hydrated at least.
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in particular this bitquote:The alcohol content of the drink on sale was reduced and prices were increased. New pub managers, effectively civil servants, replaced landlords and were paid a salary with no extra profits available from increasing sales. solved so many of the problems in a stroke. in the absence of a profit incentive there was no longer a motivation to sell the patrons the most alcohol possible to maximize profits, which still exists. the incentive to reduce consumption instead lead to less profitable avenues like food and reading rooms and social events and such, and overall even the people who lived and drank there mostly wound up preferring paying more for less booze. always made me wonder how much of the british drinking problem is in fact, like most things, really more a british landlord problem.
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You guys would know better than me: Is “households will have to endure X for the sake of foreign policy objective Y” going to work?
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this country goes into apocalyptic meltdowns because they were asked to wear a cloth mask on the bus, their passport is the wrong colour or there is a line for their holidays. even if there was a population on the planet who would accept "hey, reduce your overall compensation and as such lifestyle by a fifth yearly for the sake of a foreign country" it ain't us. hell even the refugee scheme is looking at something hilarious and bleakly depressing like 2/3rds thinking about kicking them out. even the people most passionate about that loving boondoggle in april are already moving on.
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Frosted Flake posted:You guys would know better than me: Is “households will have to endure X for the sake of foreign policy objective Y” going to work? For about 10 minutes. Certain people love to shout about the blitz but only to shout others down rather than engage in personal growth through sacrifice. One photo of someone having fun in a tuxedo and it's all out the window.
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I'm sure only a few months ago I read in the media that : Russia are happy to sell us gas, but we are boldly refusing to buy it from them and pointedly not certifying their pipelines. It's amazing that the term "political correctness" now means, and only means, saying slurs in the office, and not: Our ability to redefine the past, with an ever more recent horizon. Not that any of this is the root cause anyway, but instead a distraction from derivatives markets, and crippling privatisation.
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Frosted Flake posted:You guys would know better than me: Is “households will have to endure X for the sake of foreign policy objective Y” going to work? idk about the uk but in otehr EU countries people were boxing cops in the streets over a fuel tax increase like 3 years ago
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Frosted Flake posted:You guys would know better than me: Is “households will have to endure X for the sake of foreign policy objective Y” going to work? No but at the same time it's Britain, Bertrand Barère's nation of shopkeepers. gently caress are the British going to do but grumble a bit while their granny freezes to death?
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He really thinks he’s Churchill doesn’t he? At least Churchill was open about the fact he was a bloodthirsty imperialist.
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forkboy84 posted:No but at the same time it's Britain, Bertrand Barère's nation of shopkeepers. gently caress are the British going to do but grumble a bit while their granny freezes to death? There's a funny bit in the new Sandman series where Dream meets with an immortal human in a London pub once every hundred years and in 1789 he's like "poo poo it's getting pretty dicey for the nobles in France, I've set up stashes all over the world so when it comes over here I'll be off like a shot" and he then spends the following two centuries becoming even more secure and comfortable
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That is a gently caress ton of pancakes too. 3 large pancakes in and that gigantic bowl is still half full of batter
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That's like 20 pancakes who the gently caress are they cooking for?
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Microplastics posted:That's like 20 pancakes who the gently caress are they cooking for? the pancake committee of west wensleydaletonshire
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