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Kaiser Mazoku posted:Post the full thing Already done. Thanks for posting the full thing btw I hadn't seen it before! When I found those panels I figured they were a one-off gag
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I'm genuinely amazed that "Funny Valentine did nothing wrong" is a regurgitated opinion when he is genuinely a terrible human being. Like, holy poo poo, this guy is awful.
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Sep 24, 2022 05:58
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Funny Valentine is awful but within the standard deviation for quality of US President.
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Sep 24, 2022 07:30
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:I'm genuinely amazed that "Funny Valentine did nothing wrong" is a regurgitated opinion when he is genuinely a terrible human being. Like, holy poo poo, this guy is awful. Recall trump
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Sep 24, 2022 07:40
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:I'm genuinely amazed that "Funny Valentine did nothing wrong" is a regurgitated opinion when he is genuinely a terrible human being. Like, holy poo poo, this guy is awful. it's more or less said with the same cadence that 'hitler did nothing wrong' is and generally by the same kinds of people so basically it's a blatant sign to not, you know, trust that sort of person to have any amount of critical thought or understanding of the world around them
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Sep 24, 2022 18:45
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People got really taken in by his napkin speech, just for the wrong reasons.
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Sep 24, 2022 18:53
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Like if nothing else he shows he's a huge piece of poo poo when he actually just asks Johnny to let him get away with his plans, and says he will bring in replacements for everyone who died. Johnny says he's willing to go along with this if Valentine does not have or throws away a gun he might have obtained, and Valentine response is to try and shoot him because he never intended to keep his word.
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Sep 24, 2022 20:03
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MonsterEnvy posted:Like if nothing else he shows he's a huge piece of poo poo when he actually just asks Johnny to let him get away with his plans, and says he will bring in replacements for everyone who died. Johnny says he's willing to go along with this if Valentine does not have or throws away a gun he might have obtained, and Valentine response is to try and shoot him because he never intended to keep his word. yeah the whole point of that gun test was basically "okay do you actually mean the things you say or are you just a piece of poo poo using it as an excuse to do whatever you want" and it gets a definitive answer e: iirc i don't think johnny says throwing away the gun is an option, just that if valentine is actually the person he says he is he wouldn't have brought it to begin with. throwing it away was probably still a better choice than pulling it on johnny though Yinlock fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Sep 24, 2022 |
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Sep 24, 2022 20:11
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One of his most iconic lines is even said as he decides he would rather kill Johnny over keeping his word.
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Sep 24, 2022 20:12
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MonsterEnvy posted:One of his most iconic lines is even said as he decides he would rather kill Johnny over keeping his word. "the kind of evil that doesn't realize it's evil" my take on him is that because of that one soldier's hilariously terrible way of consoling a child valentine equates himself and the country as one and the same, thus his constant self-serving dirty deeds become "necessary sacrifices" and his petty grudges become "the will of the people" e: also entirely plausible is that he's just an rear end in a top hat Yinlock fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Sep 24, 2022 |
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Sep 24, 2022 20:24
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"Hey kid, I know you and your mother are grieving over the news of his death, but let me tell you about your father's horrific torture and how he gouged out his eye to keep himself sane."
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Sep 24, 2022 20:45
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Yeah, Valentine and Pucci are cut from the same cloth that way. They’re lovely, but unlike DIo, Kira, or Diavolo they genuinely believe they’re doing the right thing.
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Sep 24, 2022 21:09
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Yinlock posted:"the kind of evil that doesn't realize it's evil" That all sounds pretty American
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Sep 24, 2022 21:09
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Might be misremembering but isn't he also one of the (many) people who try to sexually assualt Lucy Steel? Funny Valentine fuckin sucks
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Sep 24, 2022 21:19
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Twice, even.
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Sep 24, 2022 21:22
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Valentine is probably my favorite Jojo villain.
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Sep 24, 2022 21:26
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Dio is the best shonen villain, not just in Jojo but in the genre as a whole, but Valentine is the best villain of its seinen era
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Yeah it sucks that Araki's go-to peril for women is sexual assault. It makes sense since Araki's just pulling from horror and horror and sex have been tied together since day 0 but it would have been great if he didn't rely on that particular artifact of the horror genre. Plenty of ways for someone to be an rear end in a top hat that don't involve "and then they tried to rape a woman." Same deal with animal deaths since, like sexual assault, that's also a culturally hard-coded media shorthand for "this is an unapologetic rear end in a top hat and you should be cheering when they get their poo poo wrecked." It especially sucks since Part 6 shows just how well Araki can do without focusing on the fear of sexual assault, but after that you've got Lucy and Yasuho. drat Araki cool it will ya?
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Hitlersaurus Christ posted:Yeah, Valentine and Pucci are cut from the same cloth that way. They’re lovely, but unlike DIo, Kira, or Diavolo they genuinely believe they’re doing the right thing. In Weather's opinion that makes Pucci worse. Cause his own self righteousness will never let him believe him he's in the wrong.
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tbf Valentine thought Lucy was his wife at the time...not that it makes it any better.
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Sep 24, 2022 23:49
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We're made to believe that, but he says almost immediately upon the facade dropping that he had a feeling that his wife was replaced with a fake and didn't care. It's only shortly after that he learns it's Lucy and then she stabs him.
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FirstAidKite posted:Yeah it sucks that Araki's go-to peril for women is sexual assault. It makes sense since Araki's just pulling from horror and horror and sex have been tied together since day 0 but it would have been great if he didn't rely on that particular artifact of the horror genre. Plenty of ways for someone to be an rear end in a top hat that don't involve "and then they tried to rape a woman." It's a particular shame in regards to part 7 because the US president assaulting the mother of Christ is a hell of a thematic statement, but Araki having drawn from that well so often blunts it. Schwarzwald fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Sep 25, 2022 |
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Sep 25, 2022 00:12
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It never really occurred to me until watching the anime that Dragon's Dream is a tech demo of Wonder of U. FF being open to an attack after getting hit with broken glasses because the fight caused doors to close and crush a corpse's head would fit in perfectly with the calamity
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zetamind2000 posted:It never really occurred to me until watching the anime that Dragon's Dream is a tech demo of Wonder of U. FF being open to an attack after getting hit with broken glasses because the fight caused doors to close and crush a corpse's head would fit in perfectly with the calamity Now go read the mochizuki family moon viewing
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwIb72R-mQM e: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u05iYWHNTk Son of Thunderbeast fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Sep 26, 2022 |
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:"Hey kid, I know you and your mother are grieving over the news of his death, but let me tell you about your father's horrific torture and how he gouged out his eye to keep himself sane." "But don't worry he loved his country, and also you, the same amount. Almost like you're one and the same. Ha ha man this is going to ruin you for life oh well it probably won't be an issue unless you become president." Hitlersaurus Christ posted:Yeah, Valentine and Pucci are cut from the same cloth that way. They’re lovely, but unlike DIo, Kira, or Diavolo they genuinely believe they’re doing the right thing. Kira may not think he's doing the right thing per say but he definitely sees himself as a victim of unwarranted aggression by these morioh hoodlums who just won't leave him alone.
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Sep 28, 2022 11:27
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Somehow what makes this amazing is Jon teabagging.
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Sep 28, 2022 12:45
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Man, I thought Stone Ocean was weird, and then I tried reading Jojolion. This has to be the literary equivalent of an acid trip.
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No Dignity posted:Valentine is the best villain of its seinen era Solid competition to be fair, condering they have  from JoJolion to contend with
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Josuke Higashikata posted:Solid competition to be fair, condering they have I wanna say Stone Ocean counts too, even if it was still in Shonen Jump at the time. But y'know, there's the explicitly goofy and camp era of Jojo that finishes with DiU and the 'I shall the first to take the "napkin"' era
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I think I'm about halfway(?) through Jojolion. It's starting to click with me, especially after that encounter with Damo.
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That’s right around when the part starts the lose direction, Damo should’ve been the final boss
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*nods sagely* there are things to like and things not to like in Jojolion
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The only thing I'm confused about is how Josuke fixed his liver. I know Josefumi has a grafting ability, but Josuke didn't know about that power, right? Honestly, I'm not really sure what Soft and Wet does anymore. It just seems to be regular soap bubbles at this point?
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Jojolion is incredibly uneven and shows that Araki is not that great at writing long-term mysteries so I hope if/when part 9 comes around he'll have a more structured story outline. Also, is it just me or do the locacaca resemble the green baby's plants? Like, not enough to be the same but enough to be worth drawing a comparison between the 2.
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:The only thing I'm confused about is how Josuke fixed his liver. I know Josefumi has a grafting ability, but Josuke didn't know about that power, right? Soft and Wet is a bit like Gold Experience in that it’s powers are really broad and ill-defined and eventually it starts just getting using one or two of them. (Turning stuff into animals for GE, soap bubble stuff for SW). As for Josuke fixing his liver… 
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How do people rank Jojolion and what are peoples general thoughts? I liked some of the fights but overall I felt like it was really weak and not very good, especially the last fight just didn't seem to pay off how long the series was and didn't hold up to how great jojo villains can be.
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It should've wrapped up and ended shortly after Vitamin C. Almost everything is already resolved at that point anyway. e: I thought it was a pretty good part up to that point.
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I’d probably rank it around the same as part 5. It has high highs and low lows but it really fumbles the ball with dropped plot points and the back half of the story.
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