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Summit posted:Poster: having kids is selfish cause it increases one’s carbon footprint If they want to cosplay as their enemies and receive only empathy and sincere discussion, I imagine or at least hope they won't loving bother in the future. Anyway we're all victims, captives of the real powers in our world (money and inertia I guess?) It's maddeningly frustrating how resistant people are to accepting climate crisis, and the isolation and gaslighting can be unbearable which is why we had a go of taking slurm at their word. But its entirely predictable and even understandable given human nature and the way our systems have captured and guided its development. As far as I see it, until we have enough people to enact crippling strikes, boycotts, and hell riots sabotage and otherwise wield power, every individual is a potential ally and furthermore a human just like us. Making enemies is folly when you haven't the means to overcome them.
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I have inadvertently optimised my diet by living almost exclusively on beans, oats, eggs, cheese, potatoes, lentils.
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There's no universe where 2 billion people collectively agree to reduce their quality of life (and the other 6 billion agree to not aspire to improve theirs) to save the climate. Only the externality of collapse will cause this.
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smoobles posted:There's no universe where 2 billion people collectively agree to reduce their quality of life (and the other 6 billion agree to not aspire to improve theirs) to save the climate. Only the externality of collapse will cause this. Agriculture is about 10% of emissions in a developed country, and a lot of that is beef and lamb, so I don't think it would require a significant sacrifice if we're more successful decarbonizing energy generation and transportation, for example.
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smoobles posted:There's no universe where 2
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smoobles posted:There's no universe where 2 billion people collectively agree to reduce their quality of life (and the other 6 billion agree to not aspire to improve theirs) to save the climate. Only the externality of collapse will cause this. Sorry, I only listen to the climate wisdom of men with superyachts: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bill-gates-says-telling-people-114545351.html  The sheer loving *cheek* of being lectured about "humanity won't compromise on quality of life" by a loving hundred-billionaire.
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MightyBigMinus posted:fixed Maybe I'm more of a doomer than you but I think even working class people in the West would have to give up driving & their livelihoods to save the climate at this point, hence my 2 billion figure. Like the entire economy would have to shut down, wouldn't it? Gas emissions must stop yesterday and all that.
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"giving up driving" would be a net-benefit to quality of life (and especially health) for most people forced to do it every day by their garbage community only the superyachts and private jet people actually need to lose anything here, everyone else would actually win MightyBigMinus fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Oct 1, 2022 |
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You're right in theory, but ending all personal driving on the scale & timeline necessary to make a difference would probably cause lots of starvation and death in 95% of the US i.e. just about anywhere that isn't a dense city with good transit. And also nobody would agree to do it, and any theoretical President willing to ban cars would be (rightly) called a fascist and dragged out of the WH and spanked in town square
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I also kind of wonder if cars are actually as immiserating as they're made out to be. The vast majority of households in many of the supposedly superior countries own at least one car, and there's a whole lot of land use in the US in between "walkable urban core" and "paranoid blood red exurb"
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smoobles posted:You're right in theory, but ending all personal driving on the scale & timeline necessary to make a difference would probably cause lots of starvation and death in 95% of the US i.e. just about anywhere that isn't a dense city with good transit. the problem is not reduction in quality of life, the problem is heresy. "owning" a detached house and sexually identifying as an F150 are not the only or highest quality or even cheapest/most-economical ways to live. they are a cultural affectation, not points on the human development index. MightyBigMinus fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Oct 2, 2022 |
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Failed Imagineer posted:I have inadvertently optimised my diet by living almost exclusively on beans, oats, eggs, cheese, potatoes, lentils. I also have to give you commendation for reducing your energy bills through your remarkable natural gas production windfall.
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If you remove cars, a lot of "live in the middle of nowhere for cheap" / "live in the middle of purely residential low-density suburbia for cheap" lifestyles become unsustainable. But... those lifestyles are already unsustainable, with or without cars. Cars are just the most obvious part because of how blatantly they serve to emphasize fragile egos and a total refusal to make sane infrastructure investments. Edit: Also, that's "unsustainable even before you consider climate impacts"—suburbs are a net negative drain on the metro areas near them, and the only thing that's let them continue to exist in economic terms is federal spending occasionally dumping money into the money hole. Roadie fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Oct 2, 2022 |
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About the first minute and a half of this is where I grew up. https://youtu.be/wkBSCAZC6lY It would flood growing up in tropical storms and hurricanes. But never like this. Climate change just destroyed the place I grew up. Edit and goddamnit that’s Venice YouTube not North Port. Bar Ran Dun fucked around with this message at 06:04 on Oct 5, 2022 |
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A trailer park under water on one side of an arterial road while the McMansion neighborhood on the other side is untouched is quite the metaphor.
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Dameius posted:A trailer park under water on one side of an arterial road while the McMansion neighborhood on the other side is untouched is quite the metaphor. That used to be a mulch production facility they built those McMansions on. So someday they’re all in a for a surprise.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:That used to be a mulch production facility they built those McMansions on. So someday they’re all in a for a surprise. And now that neighborhood is a metaphor for America specifically instead of just the global north.
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In light of the recent hurricane devastation, is there any serious conversation happening right now around managed retreat? It seems like it's beyond time to put things in place for whatever community's number comes up next year. Are we getting to the point where it's time for the government to offer a "don't rebuild here" amount to everyone who just lost their home? I'm aware that managed retreat is an incredibly complex subject - we're talking about uprooting whole communities, and the fact that so much of American financial stability is based on home ownership. Here's a decent article from slate back in april - https://slate.com/technology/2022/04/managed-retreat-government-policy-climate-change-flooding.html But has anyone published anything recently? Any FEMA press releases from Florida or eastern Kentucky following the catastrophic events in the past few months?
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It happens organically through insurance - you try and insure your place in a place where the insurers know you be hosed now (they keep updated climate models better than IPCC - they don't have to worry about sensibilities, they just have to be right). Then you decided to sell it and you will either sucker someone in full price or you will be honest with them on the situation and take a steep discount to sell it to someone willing to wear the risk or willing to wear the insurance cost (if possible).
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https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/1578506946788761602 https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/1578097916178182144 https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/1578053093521911810 https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/1577755974714028033 I'm sorry for using this thread to express this particular grudge so much but every single time I see this lump of poo poo grace my mentions it makes my blood boil.
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khwarezm posted:[bunch of Twitter posts] Twitter is a disease. Leave it immediately.
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Summit posted:Twitter is a disease. Leave it immediately. This, no lie, is one of the best pieces of advice you can ever follow.
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Electric Wrigglies posted:It happens organically through insurance - you try and insure your place in a place where the insurers know you be hosed now (they keep updated climate models better than IPCC - they don't have to worry about sensibilities, they just have to be right). Then you decided to sell it and you will either sucker someone in full price or you will be honest with them on the situation and take a steep discount to sell it to someone willing to wear the risk or willing to wear the insurance cost (if possible). So if I'm understanding correctly, the free market will organically solve managed retreat?
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frytechnician posted:This, no lie, is one of the best pieces of advice you can ever follow. It really doesn’t take many interactions with the platform to understand that it’s designed to attract the loudest, most grandstanding soap boxy types and then amplify their most insane thoughts. We all know this and yet somehow reasonable people continue to be sucked into actually reading what is widely acknowledged as a cesspool of the worst people posting 15 minute updates of the dumbest possible poo poo that comes into their mind. It serves no purpose whatsoever, except perhaps as a zoo of the dumbest things you can read on the internet. Edit: to be clear, not saying anyone is dumb for getting pulled in, it’s literally designed to be a shiny object to keep you scrolling Summit fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Oct 8, 2022 |
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Sharkie posted:So if I'm understanding correctly, the free market will organically solve managed retreat? I'm saying little to nothing will be done specifically beyond what I just said. People are going to take losses but no government is going to feel the need to get on the hook for bailing it out.
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Government managed coastal response, not even retreat, is like 8 steps further down the line from where we are right now. And at the current rate it'll only happen after the ocean swallows a chemical refinery or four which poisons as few square hundred to thousands of miles of coastal waters forcing them to do literally anything. Which will be to mass condemn neighborhoods and provide no assistance to relocate*. *office towers will get buy outs.
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^ the fascist right bubble will call it a false flag, moaning and crying about how climate change isn’t real and how it’s just weather during which some RADICAL LEFTIST!!!1 did a false flag terrorism, all to make GigEconomy Chemical Co look bad My biggest hurdle through climate mourning wasn’t the vorpal headshot that ocean acidification presents to our biosphere. It was the people who thought the serial cheater and bankruptcy guy was a pro-families wise businessman will never, ever yield to reality. They’re bought in to fake policy preferences that serve as thin shields to their racism and spite. I don’t see how we can talk down the ~ 1/3rd of the United States that openly denies reality so that they can feel less guilty about begging for Hitler 2.0 Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Oct 8, 2022 |
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I think it’s telling that our media ecosystem is doggedly turning a blind eye to Ian. Especially the right. They know, they loving know exactly what it looks like.
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Potato Salad posted:I think it’s telling that our media ecosystem is doggedly turning a blind eye to Ian. Especially the right. They know, they loving know exactly what it looks like. It’s actually stunning how many adjusters it’s pulled. CATs usually get a bunch of them traveling, but Ian has just emptied out the rest of the country of property adjusters.
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Sharkie posted:So if I'm understanding correctly, the free market will organically solve managed retreat? Yes By "solve" you mean "ruin tens of millions of lives" right
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Dameius posted:Government managed coastal response, not even retreat, is like 8 steps further down the line from where we are right now. And at the current rate it'll only happen after the ocean swallows a chemical refinery or four which poisons as few square hundred to thousands of miles of coastal waters forcing them to do literally anything. Government can do a lot to build climate resilient neighborhoods via land permits....
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blooddasbootcelery posted:Government can do a lot to build climate resilient neighborhoods via land permits....
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mobby_6kl posted:"Zanzibar swimming crabs deaths being investigated" https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-63254638 Nevermind, there'll be more along soon, geologically speaking.
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