This is an all-encompassing thread about an active war, including the gruesome facets of it. Reader discretion is advised. The previous thread can be found here, should you have the need for it. Welcome to the current events thread for the Russo-Ukrainian war. The purpose of this thread is to help each other stay up to date with what's going on in the war, adding nuance where it's practical, or where Twitter is busy slinging buckets of piss at each other. Based on precedent, this thread has quite a few rules of its own, listed later in this post, and you're expected to read the rules before you post. While you're at it, please also bookmark https://www.deepl.com/translator – this works better for Russian and Ukrainian than the Google Translate does. THE STORY SO FAR ============================== It's not possible to cleanly summarize it, so I'll take a coward's way out and (kind-of) skip writing an editorial of my own. Instead, here's a chronology of links I'd expect even a casual observer to be acquainted with. For starters – https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/733fe90805894bfc8562d90b106aa895 is an interactive time-lapse of Russian control over Ukrainian territory. Before February 24, 2022:
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By far the most common cause for accidents here is the way embedded Twitter posts will include not just the post you linked explicitly, but also the preceding post in that Twitter thread, if any. In general, things on the page you link will also make you liable, with the notable exceptions of messages that weren't in the Twitter thread, Telegram channel, or a news live blog as of the time of your post. Only the contributions from the primary author(s), not random comments or replies, are considered, of course. That said, please do not ritualistically try to ward off the enforcement of thread rules with “uh, this account may post gore” – just make sure that whatever you specifically post is free of that, or tagged properly. For the rules themselves, assume that a hypothetical lurker is a naive (innocent) person with autoplay on for all videos, and does not pay much attention to the text, in absence of or emojis. Moreover, that they would be ready to click exactly once inside your post, and scroll around for a minute or two. In other words, the point of tagging rules is to avoid creating shock content situations in the thread, as if the titular content warning wasn't there. Tagging requirements apply only to visual footage from Ukraine and Russian/Belarus provinces directly involved in the war, and “visible” refers to specific targets being identifiable, e.g., “the crew of that tank was incinerated”. Specifically, you must tag, and explain why you're tagging something, the following:
For the avoidance of doubt, violent imagery is tolerated here only inasmuch as it offers clear newsworthiness, novelty, or educational value for a would-be conversation. Exceptionally graphic content, as well sharing any violent imagery in a bloodthirsty connotation, in mods' and admins' subjective view, will be punished with a ban and a 30-day probation on the first offence. ACTIVE ES ============================== Please note that for all charity toxxes admins will set the charity. Silver2195 posted:It will end by "Friday," i.e., within 18 months. Silver2195 posted:Yes. The war will end (or at least be "re-frozen") before November 10, 2023. Keisari posted:It is done. This is the beginning of the end of this imperial misadventure. TWITTER SUPPLEMENT ============================== Assume on all remaining links in the post, as I cannot guess when exactly you'll open them. Twitter accounts for Russo-Ukrainian war. This is just a compilation of accounts I'm aware of, rather than a recommendation to read all of this, or some kind of “allowed sources” reference for the thread. My general suggestions are to use common sense:
https://twitter.com/KofmanMichael https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar Master list on Russian economy: https://twitter.com/i/lists/1506669435612016645 OSINT accounts: https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical https://twitter.com/RALee85 https://twitter.com/bellingcat https://twitter.com/UAWeapons https://twitter.com/girkingirkin https://twitter.com/wartranslated https://twitter.com/COUPSURE Foreign commentators: https://twitter.com/faridaily_ https://twitter.com/Andrew__Roth https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7 https://twitter.com/HN_Schlottman https://twitter.com/yarotrof https://twitter.com/Kateryna_Kruk https://twitter.com/francis_scarr https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki https://twitter.com/maxseddon https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM https://twitter.com/NeilPHauer https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch https://twitter.com/PjotrSauer https://twitter.com/kromark https://twitter.com/MarkHertling https://twitter.com/christogrozev https://twitter.com/maryilyushina https://twitter.com/CITeam_en https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock https://twitter.com/WarintheFuture https://twitter.com/LawDavF Ukrainian commentators: https://twitter.com/NikaMelkozerova https://twitter.com/olex_scherba https://twitter.com/lapatina_ https://twitter.com/olgatokariuk Various (near-)public accounts: https://twitter.com/DmytroKuleba https://twitter.com/DaveKeating https://twitter.com/Podolyak_M https://twitter.com/NewVoiceUkraine https://twitter.com/DanLamothe https://twitter.com/ukraine https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ https://twitter.com/GeneralStaffUA https://twitter.com/armees_gouv https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa https://twitter.com/oleksiireznikov https://twitter.com/JackDetsch https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent https://twitter.com/StratcomCentre https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko Accounts I explicitly recommend to mute on Twitter: @CanadianUkrain1 ← a scammer writing fiction. @EuromaidanPR ← poorly sourced sensationalism. @TpyxaNews ← poorly sourced sensationalism. @TrentTelenko ← “I'm an epidemiology specialist now” equivalent of the war. @jmvasquez1974 ← a questionable war fighter or war tourist. @kamilkazani ← a weird person with weird takes. @nexta_tv ← poorly sourced sensationalism. @samramani2 ← previously an MVP account, he's stopped doing attribution of sources. @sumlenny ← a facetious individual with a tenuous background. @thedeaddistrict ← a generally unremarkable account, but a lot of their posts are in long threads inconsistently mixing regular posts with utter gore, making them remarkably risky to post here on an autopilot. Edit 1 on Oct 12: Added Perun, Nielsen, Freedman to links. Tightened up and clarified the language in some parts. Edit 2 on Oct 26: Clarified that the rule against bloviating about tankies still applies to DSA and so on. Edit 3 on Nov 02: Added a “posting about Ukraine threads” thread rule. Edit 4 on Mar 20: Added a clarification to thread rules about posting footage. Edit 5 on Mar 26: Updated the list of posters under sanctions. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Mar 31, 2023 |
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Russian fascist dictator, go gently caress yourself.
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# ? Oct 11, 2022 20:38 |
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Thanks for the new thread. Looks great and has a good assortment of links. But I was just tiping up something with regards to the surprisingly interesting topics of article usage for countries based on a historic notion of genders. I guess that discussion is over now.
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It's still astounding to me that seven months later not only has Ukraine managed to hold on, they're actively pushing back to reclaim territory.
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mutata posted:Russian fascist dictator, go gently caress yourself.
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# ? Oct 11, 2022 20:43 |
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I have realized I knew next to nothing about this war if not for these helpful threads, and happy to be at least informed from smart sources about what's going on, even if these threads have some crazy activity sometimes (as war has lots of news obviously)
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You’re welcome to continue it.
cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Mar 31, 2023 |
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Tesseraction posted:It's still astounding to me that seven months later not only has Ukraine managed to hold on, they're actively pushing back to reclaim territory. Its also interesting to me that this fact does not seem to be widely known, at least not where I'm at. Ukraine recently came up in conversation, and the people I was with were very surprised to hear that the Russian army was doing very badly and getting pushed back. The general thought amongst people not following closely seems to be "well I hear Ukraine is doing OK so far, but they aren't going to win, and that is just too bad".
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I don't watch videos all that much, so I'll just link a few videos that I have not watched, but of people that I consider erudites regarding the conflict, to pacify the YouTube crowd. I would like adding Perun there, who has probably some of the best YouTube commentary it is, IMO.
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Disgusting absence of https://twitter.com/LawDavF on the twitter recommendation list
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You shouldnt bomb
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Tesseraction posted:It's still astounding to me that seven months later not only has Ukraine managed to hold on, they're actively pushing back to reclaim territory. It this point I don’t think it’s a question of whether Ukraine pushes Russia back to 2/22 borders, but what Putler does when they begin the liberation of Crimea.
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Rigel posted:Its also interesting to me that this fact does not seem to be widely known, at least not where I'm at. Ukraine recently came up in conversation, and the people I was with were very surprised to hear that the Russian army was doing very badly and getting pushed back. The general thought amongst people not following closely seems to be "well I hear Ukraine is doing OK so far, but they aren't going to win, and that is just too bad". There does seem to be a common wisdom that no matter how plucky lil' Ukraine is it cannot win against the Russian bear, which is what I originally thought when the invasion began in February. I think only by paying attention to the major beats do you start to pick up on just how poorly organised and equipped the Russian army are, which means that when Ukraine take back places in Donbas you don't just casually hear it in a news headline and think "oh okay, the tug of war continues" rather than realise how bad Russia have to be getting beaten back to lose where they have the most reinforcement and supply.
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# ? Oct 11, 2022 20:52 |
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I rarely posted in the prior thread, but I have read it nearly constantly. Thanks to posters and moderation for creating the best-maintained stream of quality information on the war I've found. Here's a question: what are some remaining elements of infrastructure that connect Russia and Europe? I am aware of TurkStream, is that the most significant item? I don't mean to ask speculative military questions, more to understand the leverage currently on the table for the various parties.
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MegaZeroX posted:I would like adding Perun there, who has probably some of the best YouTube commentary it is, IMO. Perun is great.
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mutata posted:Russian fascist dictator, go gently caress yourself.
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# ? Oct 11, 2022 20:53 |
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Can second Perun for weekly good long videos mainly about the war in Ukraine https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCC3ehuUksTyQ7bbjGntmx3Q for shorter videos Anders Puck Nielsen's, a Danish Military analyst, channel is really good. https://www.youtube.com/c/AndersPuckNielsen
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Tesseraction posted:There does seem to be a common wisdom that no matter how plucky lil' Ukraine is it cannot win against the Russian bear, which is what I originally thought when the invasion began in February. I think only by paying attention to the major beats do you start to pick up on just how poorly organised and equipped the Russian army are, which means that when Ukraine take back places in Donbas you don't just casually hear it in a news headline and think "oh okay, the tug of war continues" rather than realise how bad Russia have to be getting beaten back to lose where they have the most reinforcement and supply. People are going to be really confused when (I'll go ahead and say when, what the hell) Ukraine pushes Russia completely out. I think a lot of people are going to immediately go "wait, NATO convinced Russia to leave, right? Was there a peace negotiation? What did Russia get out of this to agree to leave?"
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Ohtori Akio posted:I rarely posted in the prior thread, but I have read it nearly constantly. Thanks to posters and moderation for creating the best-maintained stream of quality information on the war I've found.
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MrYenko posted:It this point I don’t think it’s a question of whether Ukraine pushes Russia back to 2/22 borders, but what Putler does when they begin the liberation of Crimea. Crimea is another part that I would have thought of (ironically) a bridge too far, but them crippling the Russian supply line from the Kerch Strait means it's actually becoming very possible. Doubly so if they can keep the Azov sea clear and launch naval support from the western mainland... ...actually I've lost track, are there any Ukrainian marine vessels still intact? I'd assume so given how much hell they gave Russia at Odessa.
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Daily reminder that Saint Javelin is still raising funds in order to buy winter clothing and medical equipment for Ukrainian soldiers. You can either donate directly or buy merch, they have lots of cool stuff. Tesseraction posted:It's still astounding to me that seven months later not only has Ukraine managed to hold on, they're actively pushing back to reclaim territory. It's slowed down a bit recently, but yeah, their resilience has been impressive. The area in blue is what they've retaken since late August, which is pretty amazing: https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/36a7f6a6f5a9448496de641cf64bd375 Phlegmish fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Oct 13, 2022 |
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spankmeister posted:If you're asking about gas pipelines there's also Yamal through Belarus and Poland, Soyuz through Ukraine. More general than that, but yes thank you. Maybe it is just gas pipelines, if nothing else would have a comparable impact if interrupted or damaged.
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Tesseraction posted:Crimea is another part that I would have thought of (ironically) a bridge too far, but them crippling the Russian supply line from the Kerch Strait means it's actually becoming very possible. Doubly so if they can keep the Azov sea clear and launch naval support from the western mainland... Amusingly, they just launched a new corvette https://twitter.com/oleksiireznikov/status/1576639771149205506
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Phlegmish posted:It's slowed down a bit recently, but yeah, their resilience has been impressive. Which I'd argue is fair - part of the reason Russia kept losing territory in the early period was because it 'gained' it and then launched forwards without really settling in. Very easy to recapture such tenuously claimed areas and slowing down to entrench the frontlines is more viable long-term.
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More air defense systems going to Ukraine. https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1579909193754374144?t=6YfAqO6pahYwY4_wZevGCA&s=19 Is there anything new in this G7 statement from today? I see the position is that peace will involve reconstruction through seized Russian funds, and a commitment to trying Russians for war crimes. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/10/11/g7-statement-on-ukraine-11-october-2022/
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Rigel posted:Its also interesting to me that this fact does not seem to be widely known, at least not where I'm at. Ukraine recently came up in conversation, and the people I was with were very surprised to hear that the Russian army was doing very badly and getting pushed back. The general thought amongst people not following closely seems to be "well I hear Ukraine is doing OK so far, but they aren't going to win, and that is just too bad". This has been my experience as well. I'm the most plugged-in person I know about this war (American, my family is Polish and Ukrainian), and probably the least pessimistic about Ukraine's chances.
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Ohtori Akio posted:More general than that, but yes thank you. Maybe it is just gas pipelines, if nothing else would have a comparable impact if interrupted or damaged. Finland and Russia have the same rail gauge (roughly), but those links getting severed for whatever reason wouldn't be super-impactful.
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Tesseraction posted:Crimea is another part that I would have thought of (ironically) a bridge too far, but them crippling the Russian supply line from the Kerch Strait means it's actually becoming very possible. Doubly so if they can keep the Azov sea clear and launch naval support from the western mainland... As far as I know the Ukrainian Navy is pretty much a non-factor aside from whatever secret squirrel US drone boats were handed over to them - there weren't many of them and they were wildly outclassed by the Black Sea Fleet, with the flagship getting scuttled to prevent capture. They do have land-based anti-ship missile launchers, though, which is how they nailed the Moskva.
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Tesseraction posted:Crimea is another part that I would have thought of (ironically) a bridge too far, but them crippling the Russian supply line from the Kerch Strait means it's actually becoming very possible. Doubly so if they can keep the Azov sea clear and launch naval support from the western mainland... Idk about vessels, but Wikipedia says the naval infantry were present at Mariupol, and lost a whole brigade there (as prisoners, not fatalities). ~2,600 as POWs, out of 6,000 total naval infantry. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Mariupol https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/36th_Separate_Marine_Brigade
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cinci zoo sniper posted:You’re welcome to continue it. Okay, the gist of it is that the German grammar is using articles in front of country names not to signify that it's actually a region, but rather to signify the perceived gender if that country based on the original language. That's why there are countries with "Der" or "Die" in front if it. Most are gender neutral, where the "Das" is just dropped. "Die" can also be used as plural like United States. So in essence it's called "Die Ukraine" because Ukrainians traditionally considered their country to be female e.g. Mother Ukraine. There are exceptions to this vague rule. If the name of a country ends with some noun the full name inherits that article, most notably, anything ending with "-Land" is neutral and articleless. Otherwise it would probably be Die Russland. Alternatively, the part about the perceived gender is bunk and Die Ukraine is a historic shorthand for Die Ukraine-Region, which would not be all that independent. cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Oct 11, 2022 |
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William Bear posted:More air defense systems going to Ukraine. This war has already been fascinatingly ground-based with relatively few air assets, and I'm assuming this will keep the trend strong for at least one side,
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Tesseraction posted:Crimea is another part that I would have thought of (ironically) a bridge too far, but them crippling the Russian supply line from the Kerch Strait means it's actually becoming very possible. Doubly so if they can keep the Azov sea clear and launch naval support from the western mainland... You mean of their military navy? Nothing major, with ships being built elsewhere for replacement, as far as I can tell - like the corvette in a Turkish wharf, linked above. William Bear posted:Is there anything new in this G7 statement from today? I see the position is that peace will involve reconstruction through seized Russian funds, and a commitment to trying Russians for war crimes. Not that I can tell, besides including recent facts about mobilisation, NordStream. Rappaport posted:Finland and Russia have the same rail gauge (roughly), but those links getting severed for whatever reason wouldn't be super-impactful. Same for the Baltics.
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Ohtori Akio posted:More general than that, but yes thank you. Maybe it is just gas pipelines, if nothing else would have a comparable impact if interrupted or damaged. I do believe the Baltic countries have their energy grids connected to Russia, but they're working on severing those links.
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Kavros posted:This war has already been fascinatingly ground-based with relatively few air assets, and I'm assuming this will keep the trend strong for at least one side, Hopefully though someone is working on getting Ukraine some modern(ish) airframes. Considering that some HARMs strapped to ancient Migs seem to be reasonably effective at loving up russia's air defenses, this would be an absolute gamechanger. NATO's whole strategy for fighting russia (or anyone else for that matter) is heavily dependent on the air forces.
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Business Insider is reporting that Musk spoke with Putin before posting those polls. However. Musk denies he spoke directly with Putin. https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-spoke-vladimir-putin-before-ukraine-peace-plan-report-2022-10 quote:Tesla CEO Elon Musk spoke with Vladimir Putin before pitching his Ukraine peace plan on Twitter that repeated Kremlin talking points, political scientist says
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Tesseraction posted:It's still astounding to me that seven months later not only has Ukraine managed to hold on, they're actively pushing back to reclaim territory. I was one of the people who posted back in december or january "surely russians can't be so stupid as to attempt to capture a 40 million nation of strongly independant people without a full scale mobilisation? " And look at me now
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I am assuming the mean "met with" in an indirect sense. I dint think Putin is expecting a lot of foreign visitors these days and it would be kind of obvious, if Musk took a sudden trip to Moscow.
cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Oct 11, 2022 |
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cant cook creole bream posted:I am assuming the mean "met with" in an indirect sense. I dint think Putin is expecting a lot of foreign visitors these days and it would be kind if obvious, if Musk took a sudden trip to Moscow.
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Mr. Apollo posted:I think he's being very deliberate with his words so he can claim later that he never lied or misled anyone. He didn't meet with Putin, he spoke with him. Or he never spoke with Putin, he spoke with his representative etc. It would be easy to issue a blanket denial but he didn't do that. I meant the article itself. But yeah, I can totally see Musk going "I didn't meet Putin. *wink*"
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cant cook creole bream posted:I meant the article itself. But yeah, I can totally see Musk going "I didn't meet Putin. *wink*"
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