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Darth TNT posted:My opinion, TLJ is the best movie of the ST, but it wishes so badly it was part of an actual trilogy and that it actually committed to some of it's own setup. I feel this is something about modern movies and Disney in particular where they seem terrified anyone might take it seriously or just get bored if there's not a quote of Comic Relief (tm) every scene. Or the idea that a character has to be shown off being competent and able while everyone else is bumbling about and/or in distress to heighten the stakes.
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Darth TNT posted:"Wait, where is his green lightsaber! Your kid is way smarter than me. I only got as far as "this seems off". Even though I really enjoyed basically all of the visuals leading up to that point, part of my brain was still saying "this is just dodgy CGI" rather than an actual in-universe explanation. But yeah, I think his reaction is exactly the takeaway Rian was going for.
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Glottis posted:But yeah, I think his reaction is exactly the takeaway Rian was going for. Yeah I remember most of the people in my theater audibly reacting to the reveal of Luke floating over the rocks back on Ach-To. It for sure got an "oh poo poo!" Out of my wife and I too. Luke's theme blaring when they cut to him really helps sell it too. Probably one of my favorite moments in the whole saga tbh, and very much brings to mind the whole "I'm saying when you're ready, you won't need to (dodge bullets)“ thing from the Matrix. IMO one of the few things I think the sequel trilogy did right (aside from the exceptionally clumsily handled force healing stuff in ep9 and Leia flying) was finding ways to do new and exciting things with the Force that weren't just straight escalations of the telekinesis and super agility stuff we had already seen in the previous two trilogies. Luke's astral projection and the Force Skype stuff reminded me of watching Vader choke someone or Luke pull his lightsaber with his mind for the first time. After so many films and shows/comics/games, it's hard to achieve that same sense of wonder when it comes to what people can do with this mystical power, and I think those two examples were much more effective ways to do it than having actual, physical Luke deflect AT-AT fire with his lightsaber or something. Force Awakens kind of flirted with doing something similarly interesting by implying that objects like Anakin's lightsaber could sort of have its own agency, but it's JJ Abrams, so of course it didn't actually develop into anything. That plus Chirrut's walk through blaster fire in Rogue One made me think they were really gonna explore the Force outside the traditional structure of Jedi/Sith but, alas, somehow Palpatine returned.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I feel this is something about modern movies and Disney in particular where they seem terrified anyone might take it seriously or just get bored if there's not a quote of Comic Relief (tm) every scene. Or the idea that a character has to be shown off being competent and able while everyone else is bumbling about and/or in distress to heighten the stakes. It works in some movies, but Starwars really isn't one of them. For all intents and purposes, it's too serious in tone. *he said seriously about a movie series involving space teddy bears and magic space wizards* Glottis posted:Your kid is way smarter than me. I only got as far as "this seems off". Even though I really enjoyed basically all of the visuals leading up to that point, part of my brain was still saying "this is just dodgy CGI" rather than an actual in-universe explanation. But yeah, I think his reaction is exactly the takeaway Rian was going for. Meh, it's fairly heavily telegraphed with the way Luke never touches Kylo while holding the wrong saber for no reason at all. Really, why? I'm not even sure how Kylo recognized that saber as belonging to Anakin. I assume they have pictures of Anakin with the saber. Hulk Krogan posted:Yeah I remember most of the people in my theater audibly reacting to the reveal of Luke floating over the rocks back on Ach-To. It for sure got an "oh poo poo!" Out of my wife and I too. Luke's theme blaring when they cut to him really helps sell it too. Probably one of my favorite moments in the whole saga tbh, and very much brings to mind the whole "I'm saying when you're ready, you won't need to (dodge bullets)“ thing from the Matrix. I love these different experiences. I was the only one laughing when Snoke died, no one responded to Luke (except him dusting his robes after getting shot), the people I was with didn't notice the Jedi texts. (my son however did and acted like I was stupid to even ask the question what was in the drawer with the blanket  )To be clear, the feat is pretty amazing and I actually support hobo Luke. But it's quite simply not what wanted. So while I like it I don't appreciate it...if that makes sense? But I have new appreciation for the feat now. I love watching these movies with my son.  A RJ trilogy would beat the poo poo out of a JJ trilogy.
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Darth TNT posted:It works in some movies, but Starwars really isn't one of them. For all intents and purposes, it's too serious in tone. *he said seriously about a movie series involving space teddy bears and magic space wizards* Which the characters and the movie take seriously. That one bit where one of the Ewoks is killed and you see the other one start to cry and mourn them is really key, that these little teddy bears are people and they feel joy, love, sadness and fear like anyone else. Likewise the magic space wizards take what they do seriously. The sequels have the MCU disease where they think taking things seriously is lame, and it shows.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The sequels have the MCU disease where they think taking things seriously is lame, and it shows. this is probably the worst part of TLJ honestly, 95% of the jokes don't land this might be true of the JJ films too but they both have so many bigger problems that it's harder to really focus on that specifically
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Wolfsheim posted:this is probably the worst part of TLJ honestly, 95% of the jokes don't land Humour is obviously subjective. While I find a bunch of the jokes good (space iron, basically any exchange with Kylo and Hux, the beginning of Poe vs Hux, Luke tossing the saber), and a few overstay their welcome (Hux vs Poe) or aren't particularly funny.(most things Finn) I feel like the bigger problem is that the TLJ jokes don't really fit the narrative? They're there, because the author felt like he needed to insert a joke (space iron), instead of adding a joke because it fits the mood/character making it. Take the Poe vs Han prank calls. Han awkwardly tries to cover up a shooting and tries to stop a conversation and sarcastically shoots the console. Poe prank calls Hux and honestly, it does actually work in the same way. Except for different reasons Hux wants to gloat, everyone knows connection problems. But (imo) it overstays it's welcome as we spend 5 minutes dwelling on Hux's face in what's supposed to be a tense moment. After a point it only serves to make the First Order incompetent. If only the dreadnought captain was there, he would've straight up shot him. Anything funny that happens between 3PO and R2 is strictly because R2 is crass and competent despite being a literal swiss pocketknife trashcan on wheels whereas 3PO is both literally and figuratively uptight and only extremely competent in specific circumstances. That's literally their respective character and any joke that follows flows from that. I feel like JJ was slightly better at having the characters make jokes that at least somewhat fit them instead of randomly stuffing in a joke. My son didn't laugh at the space iron, I know others didn't either. It's just there for no reason at all. So if it's not funny and not progressing the story or the characters it's a waste of space.  Yesterday I discovered that my son knows Fin's serial number and uses it specifically to refer to Fin while he was a storm trooper.  I just know it starts with FN. So if we discuss Phasma and Fin he will refer to Fin as FN-2187. But for other situations it's Fin. Cheeky bastard trying to show up my Starwars knowledge. 
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i think the difference between han in ANH and poe in TLJ is that than having a moment where he's flustered and trying to fool someone comes after half a film of him coming across as suave and cool-headed -- not only do you laugh at han, it breaks up the tension of the prison escape. it's a little breather beat. then they get into another big shoot out and have to dive into the trash compactor. meanwhile, the poe thing is just an opportunity to make hux look silly and it makes you think of the rest of the operation. like, what was poe's plan? fly out there, hail them, somehow know that hux won't just shoot him down? anyway, then after trolling hux and closing in, poe effortlessly blows away all the AA guns on the dreadnaught. they're two very different scenes. Horizon Burning fucked around with this message at 08:38 on Oct 21, 2022 |
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Which the characters and the movie take seriously. That one bit where one of the Ewoks is killed and you see the other one start to cry and mourn them is really key, that these little teddy bears are people and they feel joy, love, sadness and fear like anyone else. Likewise the magic space wizards take what they do seriously. Some editing wizard do the needful and splice RDJ Iron Man into every single exposition scene. I'm sure the 10 or so MCU movies he's in yield one or two snarky comebacks to "Somehow... *sigh* Palpatine returned."
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Yeah a lot of the original trilogy jokes are corny, but they read as sincere. Like 'nerd herder' and 'laser brain' are pretty lame put downs, but the characters at least are acting like these are real insults. A lot of the modern jokes have this self-aware smarmy attitude that just rubs me the wrong way - there are plenty of movies where that stuff totally works, but it just absolutely falls flat for me. Every other joke in TFA is 'Finn + Rey say something SIMULTANEOUSLY!' and it's trying to be way too loving cute. "They fly now!" makes me barf in my mouth a little. The older trilogy doesn't really go out of its way to make the Empire look incompetent, either. They are often arrogant and overconfident, sure, but that fits them well. Tarkin doesn't release a swarm of zillions of fighters to protect the Death Star because it's his pet project and he's an opportunist who wants to show off how perfect his cool battle station is. If he panics and wins the battle, he looks like a chump, so he just keeps a stiff upper lip and assumes victory. I don't think the joke is ever that they are complete morons. Like, Han Solo hiding the Falcon on the back of the Star Destroyer works because it's just such a ballsy move that they wouldn't think he'd do it. If it was done in the sequels they'd probably have some scene of Hux hamming it up looking like a loving idiot to make sure the audience knew. A lot of the big laughs in Empire come from the Imperial officers being absolutely terrified of Vader, and all the random radar technicians just getting that 'oooh gently caress' look on their faces when he walks by, knowing that some bigwig is about to get loving choked. The officers themselves make understandable mistakes and suffer for it, they don't have to be slipping on goddamn banana peels like Hux. I can't really think TLJ is great because it's so inconsistent. It has some really beautiful shots, like the throne room fight, vehicles moving through the salt, and the ship getting rammed at light speed, but it also has so much egregiously dumb poo poo that I can't really love it. It's the best of the sequel trilogy, but that is some pretty faint praise. Canto Bight loving sucks. The prank call scene is a really bad attempt to do the Han Solo phone call and it is unfunny and also makes the First Order seem ridiculously incompetent, as if they know they are acting as the villains in a movie and are dutifully playing their bumbling dumbass parts. Like, they have the guy who blew up their Death Star III sitting right in front of their ship and Hux just lets him clown on him? How many Death Stars does the Empire need to lose to single small ships before they just take the safe bet and blow this one out of the sky? I understand I'm not really the target audience for this stuff. I don't like the MCU for pretty similar reasons - the humor is smarmy and seems more about handwaving towards the idea of self-aware jokes without actually doing anything actually funny. Andor is more my style, but I'm afraid Disney is gonna meddle with Season 2 and add a lot more Glorp Shitto and Amy loving Sedaris. Mr. Grapes! fucked around with this message at 13:27 on Oct 21, 2022 |
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Wolfsheim posted:this is probably the worst part of TLJ honestly, 95% of the jokes don't land The jokes that really don't work for me are everything about the Fish Nuns on Luke's planet - because they only seem to exist during the comedy beats. When the film's taking things seriously, Luke's living alone on a desolate island in the middle of nowhere... but when we need comedy!, suddenly there's a whole village of goofy-looking aliens living there too.
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Rey I have to tell you something, I'm f-arglble*mouthful of sand*
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Having watched Andor episode 7, that's basically the level of starwarsiness I wanted, if that makes sense. The plot isn't hinging on some sort of crazy superweapon or jedi but the world feels more rich with sci-fi poo poo.
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When Cassian says he’s going to go lay low “somewhere easy”, why does he go directly to a planet that appears to be under martial law?
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General Dog posted:When Cassian says he’s going to go lay low “somewhere easy”, why does he go directly to a planet that appears to be under martial law? he went to a space beach resort planet, that is "somewhere easy" but due to his own actions the Empire is cracking down across the galaxy.
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anatomi posted:The only point against Andor is the frankly criminal absence of cool aliens and weird creatures. It makes it even better when they do randomly show up. The happiest dude ever on Space Miami Beach is now one of my favorite aliens.  General Dog posted:When Cassian says he’s going to go lay low “somewhere easy”, why does he go directly to a planet that appears to be under martial law? As stated, part of the point of this show is seeing the exact bridge from Republic oversight creating bad Libertarian paradises to Empire fascist state, and how it affects "normal people." Andor got profiled and arrested just for minding his business, and thats where the galaxy is now unless you're so far on the Rim that the Empire just doesn't care. Then you're probably in slavery under a Hutt.
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Darko posted:It makes it even better when they do randomly show up. The happiest dude ever on Space Miami Beach is now one of my favorite aliens. Yeah they've never really topped the Jabba palace sequence for wealth of cool aliens in anything, sequel, prequel, tv shows. I thought Solo's orphan-crimelord wormlady was a cool design, it's a shame she was wasted with the dumb thermal detonator fan service. I really wish they'd invest more of these giant budgets into big gross puppets. Return of the Jedi is the weakest of the three originals but the entire Jabba opening was absolutely wild and all the puppets hold up great. Shame they added that CGI alien singer. It's wild that they made the Book of Boba Fett take place in a Jabba's palace emptied out of everything cool that once defined it. I would much rather watch a prequel origin story for Jabba than any of this bullshit we got with baby Leia etc. How did a moisture-loving slug end up ruling a planet full of sand, which as we know, is coarse and rough and irritating and gets everywhere.
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Mr. Grapes! posted:It's wild that they made the Book of Boba Fett take place in a Jabba's palace emptied out of everything cool that once defined it. It makes sense in some respects (everyone got blowed up, bib fortuna was lording over it and he sucked) - but they absolutely should have increased the amount of hangers on and loiterers in the palace as Boba increased his power. Very straightforward visual storytelling, they even could have had the amount of hangers on decrease near the end signalling that not everyone had his back in his big fight. Instead they did...whatever it is they did...
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I jumped off the train after the one-two punch of Force Awakens and Last Jedi, but I've been following this thread and get the general attitude towards everything since. I seem to have missed anything about the anime series though - was it that unremarkable? I don't know anything about anime except some dragon ball and a couple Miyazakis if it matters at all.
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KVeezy3 posted:I jumped off the train after the one-two punch of Force Awakens and Last Jedi, but I've been following this thread and get the general attitude towards everything since. I seem to have missed anything about the anime series - was it that unremarkable? I don't know anything about anime except some dragon ball and a couple Miyazakis if it matters at all. It was just a let different artists play in a sandbox like Animatrix. A few were okay, some sucked, etc. Will depend on your choice. Andor is just a generally good show, and there are a few good episodes of Mandalorian and thats where Star Wars TV is, basically.
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KVeezy3 posted:I jumped off the train after the one-two punch of Force Awakens and Last Jedi, but I've been following this thread and get the general attitude towards everything since. I seem to have missed anything about the anime series though - was it that unremarkable? I don't know anything about anime except some dragon ball and a couple Miyazakis if it matters at all. Visions absolutely owns. IMO if you're on the fence watch either The Duel or The Ninth Jedi All of them are good in their own ways if you're a fan of star wars and anime but those 2 are sick af.
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anatomi posted:The only point against Andor is the frankly criminal absence of cool aliens and weird creatures. I gotta admit, after the alien drought in Andor 4-6 I totally geeked out over the four armed doctor. It was a classic Farscape moment where they just threw in this cool multi limbed puppet alien for shits and giggles.
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The only part of Andor I didn’t like was Episode 6 spoilers: The guy who you can very obviously tell is setup to be a jerk who will do a backstab from the first moment you see him, tries to backstab them. It was the only part of he plot that felt like it was there because you’re “required” to do it by genre cliché rather than a real part of the world.
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Jerkface posted:Visions absolutely owns. IMO if you're on the fence watch either The Duel or The Ninth Jedi Speaking of I forget, do we have a release date for the second round of Visions episodes yet?
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galagazombie posted:The only part of Andor I didn’t like was Episode 6 spoilers: The guy who you can very obviously tell is setup to be a jerk who will do a backstab from the first moment you see him, tries to backstab them. It was the only part of he plot that felt like it was there because you’re “required” to do it by genre cliché rather than a real part of the world. Meh, all of the people who didn’t make it felt required and telegraphed. 
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:I gotta admit, after the alien drought in Andor 4-6 I totally geeked out over the four armed doctor. It was a classic Farscape moment where they just threw in this cool multi limbed puppet alien for shits and giggles. Also even further canonizes The Star Wars Holiday Special hell yes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCyMK4wqD4I
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Star Wars https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/star-wars-inside-damon-lindelofs-movie-1235247453/ Star Wars posted:Sources say the movie project is intended as a stand-alone but in success could lead to more movies. Star Wars
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i will never in a million years believe a star wars movie is releasing until i get a trailer that features actual footage of the movie and not just whatever director du jour has been plucked from recent success posing infront of some star wars monument before being summarily ousted in humiliating fashion
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Ingmar terdman posted:Star Wars A Star War, if you will
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Ingmar terdman posted:Star Wars quote:Sources say the movie project is intended as a stand-alone but in success could lead to more movies. Ahahahahahaha at least they learned not to announce everything as trilogies anymore.
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Jerkface posted:i will never in a million years believe a star wars movie is releasing until i get a trailer that features actual footage of the movie and not just whatever director du jour has been plucked from recent success posing infront of some star wars monument before being summarily ousted in humiliating fashion We'll see who's laughing when Rian Johnson's trilogy, the Rogue Squadron movie, Gina Carano's space ranger show and an unnamed fourth thing from the Game of Thrones guys everybody hates now all get released on the same day 
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quote:Sources say the movie project is intended as a stand-alone but in success could lead to more movies This is the approach they took with the first movie and it's widely regarded as a mistake
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Lol that the mysterious Episode X will be set in a New Republic formed shortly after the death of Palpatine. "Somehow, Maul returned."
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pospysyl posted:Oh what's that, Damon Lindelof? You have a Star Wars spec script for us? Sure, we'll buy it. We'll get the best TV director with an open schedule we can find right on it, it's a top priority. After Leftovers and Watchmen I'd watch a Lindelof Star Wars movie or show in a second.
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