I suspect that we're in a situation similar to the invention of the machine gun where a new technology has popped up that disrupts established tactics but equipment to counter it haven't yet been refined. In some hypothetical future war I expect that launching a commercial drone will be useless at best (because anything or anybody of interest will be carrying systems to alert them to the presence and jamming equipment will be plentiful) or suicidal at worst (due to the existence of some sort of small-scale HARM that will beeline toward the control unit that you are holding).
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Bremen posted:I once saw a review of a camera drone with automated person following capability. As in you tossed it in the air and it followed over your shoulder as you walked around, not because it was directed, but because it recognized you. This was a dinner plate sized, $400-500 or so drone. These have been a thing for a few years now - not the pistol part, just the tracking camera part. Popular in sports that aren’t too conclusive for holding a selfie stick, e.g., cycling.
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Shifty Pony posted:I suspect that we're in a situation similar to the invention of the machine gun where a new technology has popped up that disrupts established tactics but equipment to counter it haven't yet been refined. It'll be autonomous ai controlled swarms against each other. Friendly fire isn't acceptable in a self driving car but as long as it's minimal It'll be acceptable in war. Front toward enemy.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:It'll be autonomous ai controlled swarms against each other. Friendly fire isn't acceptable in a self driving car but as long as it's minimal It'll be acceptable in war. Front toward enemy. They're already testing these in.... Tennessee? Kentucky? Yeah, Tennessee. quote:Launched in 2017, the OFFensive Swarm-Enabled Tactics (OFFSET) program aims to develop an ecosystem of unmanned ground and aerial vehicles available to small infantry units that can be deployed as swarms of up to 250 units towards the accomplishment of various tasks in complex, urban terrain. The final goal is the development of a system of “swarm tactics” responsive to human commands enabled through algorithms. The whole swarm would fall under the command of a single team consisting of a “swarm commander” and an operator.
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Eric Cantonese posted:Were drones going into Ukraine being made at that base? I assume you're talking about this Israeli strike: That’s right, it was drone factory not drone base. I’m not aware of any link between that plant and the drones in Ukraine.
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10 years ago, I used to work with security cameras and had one on my desk that was set up to follow people (it just looked for movement of a large enough object and tried to keep it in frame). I thought it was adorable - like an overactive puppy. My coworkers all thought it was incredibly creepy and hated it.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/carlquintanilla/status/1584606451905200128?s=20&t=3zejqp1XIxnQyhT45oM-sA That seems like dumb and bad optics.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/Taniel/status/1584561542737326082 That seems like dumb and bad optics. They should send these cops to Bakmut
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Dapper_Swindler posted:That seems like dumb and bad optics. Edit: dammit he changed it
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/carlquintanilla/status/1584606451905200128?s=20&t=3zejqp1XIxnQyhT45oM-sA That seems like dumb and bad optics. Negotiation is usually something you do during war to try to achieve your goals. For a while now people have used "negotiation" as a euphemism for surrender, both people calling for it and denouncing it. A good faith effort to resolve or at least stop the war, coupled with continued military aid, is a good policy.
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FishBulbia posted:Negotiation is usually something you do during war to try to achieve your goals. For a while now people have used "negotiation" as a euphemism for surrender, both people calling for it and denouncing it. A good faith effort to resolve or at least stop the war, coupled with continued military aid, is a good policy. How can you have good faith negotiations if only one side is interested?
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FishBulbia posted:Negotiation is usually something you do during war to try to achieve your goals. For a while now people have used "negotiation" as a euphemism for surrender, both people calling for it and denouncing it. A good faith effort to resolve or at least stop the war, coupled with continued military aid, is a good policy.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/carlquintanilla/status/1584606451905200128?s=20&t=3zejqp1XIxnQyhT45oM-sA That seems like dumb and bad optics. I hope it isn't terribly off-topic to state this, but some of these people are also the ones who drag their feet on condemning Iran while clawing at each other trying to put the boot in on the Saudis. It's a very annoying pattern among legislators I otherwise usually like a great deal. Let's take a look at the letter itself... https://twitter.com/QuincyInst/status/1584616518469312512/photo/1 Yup. Cori Bush, AOC, Ilhan Omar and Ayanna Pressley are among the signatories. The wording's not quite "make Ukraine surrender," but it's definitely showing that we're getting closer to a western breaking point, which is exactly what Putin is counting on.
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FishBulbia posted:Negotiation is usually something you do during war to try to achieve your goals. For a while now people have used "negotiation" as a euphemism for surrender, both people calling for it and denouncing it. A good faith effort to resolve or at least stop the war, coupled with continued military aid, is a good policy. How does one, in good faith, negotiate with Putin here? I.e. in what scenario does diplomacy cause Russian troops to leave just Ukraine, let alone Crimea? I don't think there is a diplomatic solution here.
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Saint Celestine posted:How does one, in good faith, negotiate with Putin here? I.e. in what scenario does diplomacy cause Russian troops to leave just Ukraine, let alone Crimea? It's almost certain that the US and/or "the West" has told Putin that they will withdraw most of the economic sanctions if Russia withdraws to its own borders. There might not be "negotiating," but there is a "dialogue" between the parties.
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steinrokkan posted:How can you have good faith negotiations if only one side is interested? Fight them until they are willing to come to the table, essentially how every war before 1945 was ended. mobby_6kl posted:But why should Biden negotiate a ceasefire on Ukraine's behalf, what is that going to achieve? So much of this is simply Russian ego, unwilling to negotiate with a non-superpower though they've proven themselves to not belong in that camp. That said, the US is now a major player in the conflict, and can play a role in initiating a multi-lateral process aimed at securing Ukraine's war aims.
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Pook Good Mook posted:It's almost certain that the US and/or "the West" has told Putin that they will withdraw most of the economic sanctions if Russia withdraws to its own borders If Russia signals at some point they may be willing to fully withdraw in exchange for loosening sanctions, then sure, try diplomacy, but until then it just seems like a waste of effort and a distraction.
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Cicero posted:But everyone knows that there's zero chance of Russia withdrawing out of Crimea and the Donbas, so what's the point? Oh of course, you're not wrong. "The left's" problem in this is that they assume that both sides will act in good faith. It's decorum poisoned. This is easy for me to say because I'm not fighting in it, but sometimes you have to fight a war. All our idealistic systems can't fix everything.
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Cicero posted:But everyone knows that there's zero chance of Russia withdrawing out of Crimea and the Donbas, so what's the point? If tomorrow Russian forces collapsed back to their borders, then that would still not be a total victory for Ukraine, Russia will still be there, and still have the capability to attempt this a few years later. Maybe inducting Ukraine into NATO the moment Russian forces leave its territory? But that seems unlikely, and I can't see some certain central European powers agreeing to that.
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FishBulbia posted:Fight them until they are willing to come to the table, essentially how every war before 1945 was ended. But also it's important to note that when it comes to it, conditions must be imposed on Russia, rather than left to a mutual agreement, effectively only an unconditional surrender and conditions that are outside of Russia's power to break are credible, given the lack of trustworthiness the Russian government has due to its disregard for international agreements. So ultimately negotiating with Russia amounts to unilaterally dictating the peace to Russia. steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Oct 24, 2022 |
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Pook Good Mook posted:Oh of course, you're not wrong. Can’t wait for the Russian media to pick up on the peace faction in the US congress.
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Well, it's never to late to ask if they're ready! A lot of people (I'm not saying decision makers, just media heads) have presupposed the end of this to be the collapse of the Russian state or death of Putin, and as much as the latter would be great, I don't think that's actually a war aim of Ukraine.
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FishBulbia posted:If tomorrow Russian forces collapsed back to their borders, then that would still not be a total victory for Ukraine, Russia will still be there, and still have the capability to attempt this a few years later. Maybe inducting Ukraine into NATO the moment Russian forces leave its territory? But that seems unlikely, and I can't see some certain central European powers agreeing to that. Funny thing about mutual defensive pacts--they can exist outside NATO. But yeah, that'd be an upwards climb. Russia could try again of course, but Ukraine NOW is blunting their entire military. Just imagine how it'd handle them in 5 years with full investment in western weapons and armor...though again, that's tempered by the insane debt and rebuilding costs they'll have to do. It's a shitshow.
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There's nothing wrong with negotiation as a concept. Negotiating DIRECTLY with USA is exactly what Russia wants as that feeds into their propaganda of Ukraine being a puppet gov't with no agency. Putin would get a boner for a chance to negotiate directly with Biden about what territories Russia keeps or doesn't keep. US congressmen should just come out and say yes or no to more aid and then shut up. Although it might be a roundabout way for them to vote no on more aid in the near future and then blame Biden for not negotiating with Putin harder. Rad Russian fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Oct 24, 2022 |
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OAquinas posted:Funny thing about mutual defensive pacts--they can exist outside NATO. Of course, Russia might reform their military, like the Soviets did after the winter war with Finland. Then in 5 or 10 years the headshot against Kiev might succeed.
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Rad Russian posted:US congressmen should just come out and say yes or no to more aid and then shut up. I get the impression a lot of that depends on the elections in 3 weeks. But even then, the anti-ukraine republicans don't seem like a majority within their own party.
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Eric Cantonese posted:I hope it isn't terribly off-topic to state this, but some of these people are also the ones who drag their feet on condemning Iran while clawing at each other trying to put the boot in on the Saudis. It's a very annoying pattern among legislators I otherwise usually like a great deal.
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Feliday Melody posted:Of course, Russia might reform their military, like the Soviets did after the winter war with Finland.
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I think a lot of people were not expecting this to be a long war. And the prospect of years of this makes people anxious, regardless of NATO's capabilities of supporting it.
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GSV gently caress Your God posted:I don't think public polling is indicative of a western breaking point. These representatives simply are the usual suspects (as you say). I do think polling is indicative that the public in America is more concerned about domestic pain rather than Ukraine and that's not really unexpected for anybody.
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Rad Russian posted:There's nothing wrong with negotiation as a concept. Negotiating DIRECTLY with USA is exactly what Russia wants as that feeds into their propaganda of Ukraine being a puppet gov't with no agency. It's the same rationale behind leaving the negotiations between the Republic of Korea and the DPRK. Only a fool would negotiate (see Trump) would interfere and negotiate the sovereignty of an ally, because that's what Kim Jung Un and Putin want, for a superpower to negotiate away a weaker country.
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Young Freud posted:It's the same rationale behind leaving the negotiations between the Republic of Korea and the DPRK. Only a fool would negotiate (see Trump) would interfere and negotiate the sovereignty of an ally, because that's what Kim Jung Un and Putin want, for a superpower to negotiate away a weaker country. There is a difference between negotiating away a state and multilateral negotiations, indeed, the later is probably the only way Ukraine can walk away from this with an immediate outside security guarantee.
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Feliday Melody posted:We shouldn't underestimate how cheap mass-produced military drones could be when compared to aircraft. Not to mention sparring trained pilots etc. The US sent this over, it's called Switchblade 300
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SaTaMaS posted:The US sent this over, it's called Switchblade 300 And apparently it's hard as hell to operate effectively, from what anecdotal evidence I've read. Also: https://twitter.com/LogKa11/status/1582773195312361475
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Eric Cantonese posted:I hope it isn't terribly off-topic to state this, but some of these people are also the ones who drag their feet on condemning Iran while clawing at each other trying to put the boot in on the Saudis. It's a very annoying pattern among legislators I otherwise usually like a great deal. A handful of reps with dipshitty foreign policy ideas in general writing a dipshitty letter about foreign policy (that Biden is going to throw in the circular file immediately) isn't really a sign of anything, good or bad. It's just Monday in DC. And that letter is real fuckin stupid, it's like 500 caveats about how Russia is totally bad and Ukraine is totally right to defend themselves BUT: have you considered asking them to stop?
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I think the big thing with theshaheed is its range
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https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1584608022147391488quote:Given these highly specialised technical skills, it seemed plausible that the GVC may be linked to programming the flight paths of Russia’s cruise missiles. Therefore Bellingcat obtained phone metadata records of the highest ranking individual publicly named as its director: Maj. Gen. Baranov. This method is similar to that employed by Bellingcat to track and trace the poisoners of Russian opposition politician Alexey Navalny, with data purchased from brokers who commonly offer such services. While this method would be impossible in most countries, Russia’s black market for data has helped journalists and activists piece together numerous significant investigations into the country’s military and secret services in recent years. During the Cold War, the CIA would kill to get even a single phone recording. Now anyone can call with fat paypal account and get full wiretaps and hidden recordings for the right price. Corruption means even the panopticon owners need a dacha too.
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Eric Cantonese posted:I hope it isn't terribly off-topic to state this, but some of these people are also the ones who drag their feet on condemning Iran while clawing at each other trying to put the boot in on the Saudis. It's a very annoying pattern among legislators I otherwise usually like a great deal. that letter is stupid as hell but you'll note that the letter sets the leftmost point of the dems at 'full economic and military assistance... also try to negotiate plz' There's no sign of wavering on the economic and military aid to read into in that. If anything I would argue that resolve to support Ukraine seems to be as strong as ever and is particularly buoyed by the ridiculous amount of success it has had.
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Eric Cantonese posted:I hope it isn't terribly off-topic to state this, but some of these people are also the ones who drag their feet on condemning Iran while clawing at each other trying to put the boot in on the Saudis. It's a very annoying pattern among legislators I otherwise usually like a great deal. The letter also says that we should keep providing military support to Ukraine, but "pair" that support with a diplomatic push. It's kinda dumb and kinda wrong but it's aimed at shoring up the votes of , for lack of a better term, peaceniks, so, go figure. It doesn't really say much other than "diplomacy is nice, people should try it." Which would make sense if Putin weren't a sociopath. The root issue here is that negotiation isn't possible with Russia as long as Putin remains in power, because he's operating in bad faith and would use any respite to rebuild his strength for the next attack. If a change of government happens in Russia negotiation should absolutely be attempted, but until then there's not really any point, except insofar as it's useful to look like the party trying to be reasonable.
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https://en.zona.media/article/2022/10/24/marriedanddrafted A group of Russian journalists estimate mobilisation to have called upon 492k people since September 21.
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