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rotor posted:every time i hear things like this I assume that the reason its not already fixed is that there isnt widespread agreement that its broken.
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idk man i dont think that expecting the process of "standing up a twitter clone" to be easy is a reasonable expectation.
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rotor posted:idk man i dont think that expecting the process of "standing up a twitter clone" to be easy is a reasonable expectation. Fair rotor posted:that was correct when i was there. You would "boost a toot" in the vernacular That's right up there with GIMP in terms of loving awful naming. "boosting a toot". come on guys...
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Nov 18, 2022 22:17
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Expo70 posted:
i think its cute and fun to say 
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plus the obvious fart jokes
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"boosting a toot" is definitely terrible, but i bet no mastodon contributor ever named their kid TITAN INVICTUS
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just setting up my quittr
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rotor posted:plus the obvious fart jokes yeah I just feel groady and uncomfortable. oss coders might all be grocky chin scratchers who whitter, tilt, lilt and titter at tarts, fart jokes and dank tokes but the rest of us embarrassed, harassed, molested and suggested with our own guilt. edit: why the gently caress did it come out like that edit: ritalin
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Chris Knight posted:just setting up my quittr
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Expo70 posted:edit: why the gently caress did it come out like that idk but if you're trying to shame me for thinking fart jokes are funny it wont work
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rotor posted:idk but if you're trying to shame me for thinking fart jokes are funny it wont work  you chose this wisely.
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Nov 18, 2022 22:24
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I see "content maker" personal brand people trying to push something called Post which sounds like a social media site where every microblog post is the equivalent of a youtube video's "hey its ya boi" preamble
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:I see "content maker" personal brand people trying to push something called Post nobody's said that sincerely since 2017 ... surely?
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njsykora posted:in open source stuff this is basically a guarantee there’s a strong survivorship bias there of course: if it’s something fundamental then only those that don’t see it as an issue are using your app
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Nov 18, 2022 22:25
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rotor posted:idk but if you're trying to shame me for thinking fart jokes are funny it wont work
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the real funny mastodon instances change the localization files (either to add new "funny" ones or whatever) so that "toot", "boost" etc. become different words i think mastodon proper changed it to "publish" recently? idk where that'll go
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It's just kinda wild to me that mastodon is expecting users to be told: "Okay so there's this twitter clone out there you should try." "Okay cool, how do I sign up?" "Well you can sign up to any of hundreds of hosted instances, but they all have different modoration policies (or none at all), they all interconnect so it doesn't matter" "Okay that's kinda weird, but if I do that I can see all the stuff right?" "Well not really, only the sites they've linked up to, which is up the admin and there could be large chunks of the federated universe you can't see from this instance" "Well, okay? But I can at least see the overall stream of posts right?" "Well no, you really only see your local instance normally, you can get a 'federated' stream but it's like a tiny fraction of what is posted and there's no real rhyme or reason for what comes your way" "Well I can at least follow the people I'm interested in right?" "Sort of, you can't actually follow anyone from their mastodon page unless they happen to be on your instance. You have to copy their user name and paste it into the search box in your home page"
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Nitrousoxide posted:It's just kinda wild to me that mastodon is expecting users to be told: The only thing more frustrating than reading that is having worked with devs trying to actively trying to build something that obnoxious and fighting them tooth an nail along the way while realizing they're denser than a black hole and are never going to "come around".
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Nov 18, 2022 22:37
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just sign up on the one big instance and pretend the little ones don't exist
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kid me never did figure this poo poo out. and adult me doesn't understand it either
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TerminalRaptor posted:The only thing more frustrating than reading that is having worked with devs trying to actively trying to build something that obnoxious and fighting them tooth an nail along the way while realizing they're denser than a black hole and are never going to "come around". Silicon Valley did a good arc on this. season 2 I think?
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Bad Purchase posted:just sign up on the one big instance and pretend the little ones don't exist unironically the best option, if you want to bother at all
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TerminalRaptor posted:The only thing more frustrating than reading that is having worked with devs trying to actively trying to build something that obnoxious and fighting them tooth an nail along the way while realizing they're denser than a black hole and are never going to "come around". if they weren’t denser than a black hole, they wouldn’t be building a distributed, independently hosted twitter clone in the first place
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Nov 18, 2022 22:42
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rotor posted:idk man i dont think that expecting the process of "standing up a twitter clone" to be easy is a reasonable expectation. I wouldn't be surprised it fb/google/amazon/ms aren't hurriedly building their own twitter clones to be be ready to launch as soon as twitter croaks tho. they don't even need it to be really good since at that point twitter users will have nowhere else to go
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If federated protocols actually take off widely, I kinda expect big tech to spin up instances that resolve most of the issues. gStadon and faceStadon and so on. If not, it'll still be a sufficient bridge along with other social networks to keep connected until something settles out. Lord knows it's not the first time the internet had a social network go toes up, and it won't be last, but some how folks re-congeal into the same sets.
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Zlodo posted:I wouldn't be surprised it fb/google/amazon/ms aren't hurriedly building their own twitter clones to be be ready to launch as soon as twitter croaks tho. they don't even need it to be really good since at that point twitter users will have nowhere else to go twitter was not a successful business and didn't do anything that, particularly, facebook doesn't already do not really sure what you'd be expecting this to look like
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Even just having three or four somewhat smaller sites that try to get you scrolling other people's comments to get emotions that can be turned into advertising might be better than having it all route through Twitter
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abraham linksys posted:twitter was not a successful business and didn't do anything that, particularly, facebook doesn't already do yeah but i dunno, I'd expect those other companies to jump at the opportunity to acquire users
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rotor posted:every time i hear things like this I assume that the reason its not already fixed is that there isnt widespread agreement that its broken. it's open-source, a significant portion of the maintainers think usability is optional
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rotor posted:every time i hear things like this I assume that the reason its not already fixed is that there isnt widespread agreement that its broken. mastodon has a bunch of poo poo that just seems straight up objectively bad UX or whatever but the core way it's designed seems to be around something that is obvious to anyone who has run any form of social platform and not obvious to anyone who is just trying to use something that's been described as a twitter clone: virality and moderation are fundamentally incompatible concepts communities should be small. websites should be small. yeah theres a bunch of wild fun poo poo that can happen on big websites but its also completely unsustainable without at a minimum grinding a poorly paid moderation team into dust
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https://twitter.com/jasonbaumgartne/status/1593573576346517504 if elon gets rid of 33% of the data centres, that solves the api issue right
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abraham linksys posted:twitter was not a successful business and didn't do anything that, particularly, facebook doesn't already do
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Expo70 posted:Mastadon is literally fixable in <1500 lines of code but the devs are too cagey to implement it. sounds like someone should buy it out and clean house. create a "hardcore" mastodon 2.0, so to speak
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Bad Purchase posted:just sign up on the one big instance and pretend the little ones don't exist this worked for me
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abraham linksys posted:mastodon has a bunch of poo poo that just seems straight up objectively bad UX or whatever but the core way it's designed seems to be around something that is obvious to anyone who has run any form of social platform and not obvious to anyone who is just trying to use something that's been described as a twitter clone: vbulletin is back baby
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Diva Cupcake posted:i want it to look and act like google reader feedly still exists, if you can find websites still publishing rss feeds
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Gnossiennes posted:vbulletin is back baby i mean really it's just discords but at least forums are seo-visible and federated reddit gets you the former i suppose
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Zlodo posted:I wouldn't be surprised it fb/google/amazon/ms aren't hurriedly building their own twitter clones to be be ready to launch as soon as twitter croaks tho. they don't even need it to be really good since at that point twitter users will have nowhere else to go we said it earlier but Sundar, please bring google+ back, you can even cleverly name it google++ i dont care
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rotor posted:we said it earlier but Sundar, please bring google+ back, you can even cleverly name it google++ i dont care gitter
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Gnossiennes posted:vbulletin is back baby [reaches into wallet, pulls out card that reads "Matts Script Archive WWWBoard"]
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