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Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

mllaneza posted:

On the one hand, there's what General Batuta said, which I respect. On the other hand, the third book changes POVs so a) that problem ends, and b) is a really good locked room mystery et on the moon. Go for it.

Oh a change of POV is good. I was getting pretty tired of the well-meaning-math-genius-white-woman by the end of it.

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quantumfoam
Dec 25, 2003

HopperUK posted:

You really can't see how saying 'Adrian Tchaikovsky exudes "(Mom)ANSIBLE said you can't make fun of me anymore" energy to me.' would imply, to people who have no idea what you're thinking when you write it, that you're saying he exudes a petulant, immature vibe?

Tiny Timbs posted:

I have no idea what the “mom” crack is supposed to mean

I think maybe people are more confused than angry?

You two are right. I should have put a hotlink to ANSIBLE and added <sarcasm> tags around my joke about ANSIBLE instead of expecting people to get the joke or go "what the hell is ansible?" or alternately calling me a dick for making fun of ANSIBLE (winner of 6 Hugo Awards) versus the immediate J'accuse! responses I got.

Anyway for people unfamiliar with ANSIBLE; Ansible is a United Kingdoms fantasy & science-fiction physical newsletter turned internet newsletter that has been running since August 1979. Ansible the newsletter focused hard on UK based authors and UK based conventions/literary gatherings. Ansible has been edited by David Langford since issue 01. Pretty much the first decade of Ansible had heavy amounts of content (book reviews(mostly of UK authors), UK SF&F and literary event writeups with kilotons of long running in-jokes) that was submitted by UK based SF&F mega-fans & UK fantasy/science-fiction authors who weren't well known back then, but over time became EstablishedNames in the fantasy & science-fiction genres. For example, the editor of ANSIBLE, David Langford, has won more Hugo Awards than anyone else, ever.
https://news.ansible.uk/ is the ANSIBLE homepage
https://news.ansible.uk/aseries1.html#1979 is where the saga of ANSIBLE starts



actual fantasy & scifi thread content:
The Goblin Corps by Ari Marmell ended up being one of the best "Reverse Dungeon" inspired fantasy books that I've read.
"Reverse Dungeon" is a TSR adventure module released back in 2000 where the players play as the monsters fighting against invading heroes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_Dungeon

Reading novelizations of fantasy and horror andscifi movies is something I recently started getting into. The George Lucas novels of the Star Wars original trilogy movies is different than the movies, and it's cool to see the differences. (Like Luke going into a fugue state and not remembering what the hell he did in the Death Star 1.0 trench run vs the movie). I know that novelizations of some of John Carpenters films exist; looking forward to eventually reading the novelization of Halloween 3: season of the witch. Conal Cochran was such a classy villain in H3, he even clapped at the Day Drinking Deadbeat Doctor Dad foiling his plan.

quantumfoam fucked around with this message at 07:04 on Nov 26, 2022

AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993
nm

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
it's because your line about mom said you can't make fun of me makes absolutely no sense in the context it was used in, op. your explanation actually made it more confusing.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

Larry Parrish posted:

it's because your line about mom said you can't make fun of me makes absolutely no sense in the context it was used in, op. your explanation actually made it more confusing.

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

Larry Parrish posted:

it's because your line about mom said you can't make fun of me makes absolutely no sense in the context it was used in, op. your explanation actually made it more confusing.

Yeah I knew what Ansible was, lol. Now I just feel like I’m being gaslit.

Horizon Burning
Oct 23, 2019
:discourse:

Larry Parrish posted:

it's because your line about mom said you can't make fun of me makes absolutely no sense in the context it was used in, op. your explanation actually made it more confusing.

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

Lead out in cuffs posted:

Yeah it's this. What even is ANSIBLE? Is it a publication?

I've only read one book by Tchaikovsky (Cage of Souls) and it was a little Heart of Darkness grimdark, but well enough written and exploring a very interesting premise.

Not sure what the rest of his stuff is like but the thread seems to like it.

Isn't ansible the FTL communication tech?

I'm deeply confused as well.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Captain Monkey posted:

Isn't ansible the FTL communication tech?

I'm deeply confused as well.

As explained above it's a newsletter. I used to read it but I got kinda fatigued with it after a while.

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug
i prefer Runcible.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I was about to sarcastically ask who even reads a newsletter anyway and then remembered that half this thread is my grandpa's age

Drakyn
Dec 26, 2012

Yeah put me in as another 'I knew what ANSIBLE was but the 'mom' bit completely confused me.'

General Battuta posted:

I exude a thin slime, which forms a protective layer around my delicate gills and membranes when I need to leave the pond to forage
I am eagerly awaiting the first documentaries based around CGI reconstruction of your ecology.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Lead out in cuffs posted:

Yeah it's this. What even is ANSIBLE? Is it a publication?

It's Dave Langford's long-running SF&F fan publication that has won him more Hugo Awards than anyone else in history. It's probably best known for Thog's Masterclass, a collection of quotes written without much thought. Full archive is free at ansible.co.uk if you want to check it out.

Runcible Cat
May 28, 2007

Ignoring this post

uber_stoat posted:

i prefer Runcible.

:blush:

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

HopperUK posted:

As explained above it's a newsletter. I used to read it but I got kinda fatigued with it after a while.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansible


You can't fool me.

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.
An sibyl is a form of oracle or fortune teller.

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007
An sibyl. And you call yourself a writer.

RDM
Apr 6, 2009

I LOVE FINLAND AND ESPECIALLY FINLAND'S MILITARY ALLIANCES, GOOGLE FINLAND WORLD WAR 2 FOR MORE INFORMATION SLAVA UKRANI
I have no idea what Ansible is and have found every followup explanation increasingly incomprehensible. These posts are like reading a book review through Google translate.

I think Tchaikovsky's writing is pretty decent overall but his books have been hit or miss for me. I recently read The Expert System's Brother and it was a good core idea, but the actual plot was pretty shallow.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound
I don't know what's going on with this weird ansiblechat thing but let's all stop it whatever it is, thanks

pradmer
Mar 31, 2009

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FPyat
Jan 17, 2020
If ever there were a writer I ought to read every book by, it's Lem.

quantumfoam
Dec 25, 2003

pradmer posted:

Stanislaw Lem sale.

The Cyberiad: Stories - $2.99 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CKDFE9W/
A Perfect Vacuum - $2.99 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008FC7TZ4/
One Human Minute - $1.99 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008R2JSME/
The Investigation - $2.99 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008R2K8VO/ -The English translation of this is very butchered and disjointed, original Polish language version is supposed to be better and make sense.
The Chain of Chance - $1.99 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008F0ON4G/
Fiasco - $2.99 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008R2J70M/
Memoirs Found in a Bathtub (From the Memoirs of Ijon Tichy #2) - $1.99 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008R2JK1S/ -The bleakest and most paranoid
story Stanislaw Lem ever wrote. It's the only Stanislaw Lem story I skip during re-reads of Stanislaw Lem's work.

Added some comments about the Stanislaw Lem books.

shrike82
Jun 11, 2005

i've started reading neal stephenson's termination shock and it's not as bad as i was expecting
that being said, he has multiple characters deliberately explain why they're not left or right-wing which seems peculiar

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
there's a certain kind of author who simply loves to write monologues like that into everything. Joel Shepherd who I otherwise really like does it in 2 of his 3 series that I've read lol. always a moment where the characters turn to the camera and explain what horseshoe theory is basically.

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness

quantumfoam posted:

Added some comments about the Stanislaw Lem books.
I absolutely love Memoirs Found in a Bathtub, though you're not wrong that it's the height of Lem writing Cold War paranoia. Parts of it (including the ending) have stuck with me for a good fifteen+ years vividly. Cannot recommend highly enough with that caveat.

AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993

Larry Parrish posted:

there's a certain kind of author who simply loves to write monologues like that into everything. Joel Shepherd who I otherwise really like does it in 2 of his 3 series that I've read lol. always a moment where the characters turn to the camera and explain what horseshoe theory is basically.

I loled whenever that one marine in Spiral Wars would randomly bring up being a libertarian. it only happened like twice but still

pradmer
Mar 31, 2009

Follow me for more books on special!
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Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

AARD VARKMAN posted:

I loled whenever that one marine in Spiral Wars would randomly bring up being a libertarian. it only happened like twice but still

Cassandra kresnov does it like every book and it's very funny because she doesn't appreciate either superpower's political ideology... but she's uh, also part of one sides government so it constantly rings a little hollow lol. It's like writing a critique of the Cold War from the perspective of a CIA agent. The whole time I'm like wait, your doing this same poo poo, just not as bad lol

AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993
I'm hate reading John Scalzi again, this time Kaiju Preservation Society.

I really liked the Old Man's War books but for some reason I have spent the last few years rapidly growing to dislike his books and now I despise them for some reason. Well the idea is cool but god drat I hate this guy's writing and I want to run him over with a steamroller.

In other news I read "Century Rain" by Alistair Reynolds earlier this week and that was great although I lmao'd when I found out the future society was founded by website "Slashdot". also adults in child bodies as The Future :chloe:

withak
Jan 15, 2003


Fun Shoe

AARD VARKMAN posted:

I'm hate reading John Scalzi again, this time Kaiju Preservation Society.

I really liked the Old Man's War books but for some reason I have spent the last few years rapidly growing to dislike his books and now I despise them for some reason. Well the idea is cool but god drat I hate this guy's writing and I want to run him over with a steamroller.

IMO this one was basically a distillation of all of the worst parts of his writing style.

AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993

withak posted:

IMO this one was basically a distillation of all of the worst parts of his writing style.

I'm 4 chapters in and feel like I'm being intentionally trolled when I read poo poo like "Oh, right." Niamh said and turned to me. "Greenland. What the actual gently caress?"

AARD VARKMAN fucked around with this message at 04:39 on Nov 28, 2022

Zoracle Zed
Jul 10, 2001

AARD VARKMAN posted:

I'm hate reading John Scalzi again,

doctor it hurts when i do this

withak
Jan 15, 2003


Fun Shoe

AARD VARKMAN posted:

I'm 4 chapters in and feel like I'm being intentionally trolled when I read poo poo like "Oh, right." Niamh said and turned to me. "Greenland. What the actual gently caress?"


If that kind of dialog bothers you then just stop reading because it absolutely does not get any better.

AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993

Zoracle Zed posted:

doctor it hurts when i do this

i wouldn't have to do this if he hadn't produced several mildly competant mil-SF novels before his heel turn in to the embodiment of reddit dot com

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

AARD VARKMAN posted:

i wouldn't have to do this if he hadn't produced several mildly competant mil-SF novels before his heel turn in to the embodiment of reddit dot com

you can stop at any time I promise.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound
I think part of it is that Scalzi has been getting lazy. His stuff is getting formulaic and predictable at both the prose and plotting levels.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
i think the most recent thing scalzi wrote that I can say I honestly liked is his foreword to one of the more recent editions of forever war, and even that's probably 20 years old now. also you can tell he's seething that lots of people probably confuse his books for the forever war

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




VostokProgram posted:

Oh a change of POV is good. I was getting pretty tired of the well-meaning-math-genius-white-woman by the end of it.

She's Jewish ?

tildes
Nov 16, 2018
This is indeed a pretty great collection of quotes: http://thog.org/thogmatic.php

Eg two solid pages of describing a woman with as many metaphors as humanly possible:
http://www.crackerboxpalace.com/verypurple.jpg

Some are definitely bad (esp the sex scene adjacent ones) but honestly some convinced me to add some books to my reading list.

tildes fucked around with this message at 09:26 on Nov 28, 2022

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sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









DACK FAYDEN posted:

I absolutely love Memoirs Found in a Bathtub, though you're not wrong that it's the height of Lem writing Cold War paranoia. Parts of it (including the ending) have stuck with me for a good fifteen+ years vividly. Cannot recommend highly enough with that caveat.

What does it have to do with ijon tichy though

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