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I really like the design and idea of the Kantreal lasgun but man if it isn't wrecked by it's awful iron sights.
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Kaddish posted:Counterfire makes volley fire last a ridiculously long time but I wonder if the ogryn/monstrosity one is overall better. I think that's a trap choice - you doing marginally more damage to monstrosities with your gun isn't a good thing when everyone in the team is burning them down, and they are a kiting problem rather than a damage problem. Conversely, being able to hit F and then systematically clear the entire area of specialists and shooters while standing still with your ult active is the Veteran leaning hard into their niche and leaving the ogryn enemies to the other squad members who can focus on it without worrying about being shot at.
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Dec 13, 2022 09:29
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deep dish peat moss posted:I'm finally getting around to giving the plasma gun a fair chance, and the heating and extreme reload mechanics are pretty annoying but this is probably the most satisfying railgun I've ever seen Agreed, it grew on me. You have to manage your reloading smartly but if you do it's a very satisfying gun with a lot of punch. I probably prefer it over the bolter  Cease to Hope posted:have you considered: a psyker with voidstrike It deals less damage and has less penetration doesn't it? more importantly, it neither looks or sounds as cool as the plasma Zzulu fucked around with this message at 09:59 on Dec 13, 2022 |
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Alchenar posted:I think that's a trap choice - you doing marginally more damage to monstrosities with your gun isn't a good thing when everyone in the team is burning them down, and they are a kiting problem rather than a damage problem. Conversely, being able to hit F and then systematically clear the entire area of specialists and shooters while standing still with your ult active is the Veteran leaning hard into their niche and leaving the ogryn enemies to the other squad members who can focus on it without worrying about being shot at. I prefer the reload one to that because usually my problem is running out of ammo midway through clearing a room, rather than not being able to see them.
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Dec 13, 2022 10:25
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Vagabong posted:I really like the design and idea of the Kantreal lasgun but man if it isn't wrecked by it's awful iron sights.
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Zzulu posted:It deals less damage and has less penetration doesn't it?
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dogstile posted:I prefer the reload one to that because usually my problem is running out of ammo midway through clearing a room, rather than not being able to see them. Does the reload one constantly reload your gun every time you refresh it, or just when you activate the ability? Edit: I just realized I could just go test this in the Meat Grinder. Edit 2: It does not. That sucks a lot, honestly - it'd easily be my favorite of the three if it did. Kith fucked around with this message at 12:08 on Dec 13, 2022 |
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Dec 13, 2022 12:01
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Voidstrike is really good and honestly the main thing that makes the psycher feel worthwhile to me. Now if I could only convince the store to offer a new one up rather than 10 laspistols....
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Dec 13, 2022 12:06
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Kith posted:Does the reload one constantly reload your gun every time you refresh it, or just when you activate the ability? It's honestly really useful. You ever have to stop shooting and deal with a unit that's gotten past your friends, but now you've not been able to reload and you have a sniper/trapper/mutant running at you? Works for that. Also if you have the bolter you can skip the cocking animation by pulling the gun out and immediately activating it, granted I have a machinegun lasgun right now that I like better.
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Dec 13, 2022 12:58
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They need to make that one aoe staff have a big of an aoe as the conflag staff from VT2 including the burning damage to make it worth using. The charged up AOE is loving puny
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Dec 13, 2022 13:05
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After messing around with the two of them, while the Power Sword is definitely the overall stronger option(since near infinite cleave combined with really high power is a ridiculous combination), the Chain Sword has some advantages due to not being as reliant on it's charge mechanic as the former, since you'll only really be needing it for singular high health/armor targets(though it's surprisingly bad against the naked Ragers as those guys don't seem to get stunned at all by the charge attack unlike most things besides Monstrosities), which simplifies the timing and rhythm compared to the Power Sword by a lot The Chain Axe has some potential for being ridiculous too but due to being almost completely focused on single target damage it really requires having a gun that can handle Horde clearing like an Accatran or maybe the Flamer
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Kith posted:Does the reload one constantly reload your gun every time you refresh it, or just when you activate the ability? Sometimes it starts the reload animation, too.
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Dec 13, 2022 13:09
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Kith posted:Does the reload one constantly reload your gun every time you refresh it, or just when you activate the ability? Was using sustained fire a lot recently, the reload can be nice even when not using a 2 year to reload gun, the real power comes from having a on-demand 60% toughness heal when you have 300 toughness Counterfire is just great now that it refreshes on (most) gunner kills though, but if you get into a situation where all the gunners are blowing through your shield anytime you pop your head out the heal is nice.
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Got another good Atrax axe on my Veteran this time, and yeah, even against a chainsword with +cleave and +damage on multihit blessings (fantastic if not absolutely BiS rolls), it's amazingly competitive. That axe is something special and I hope the number-crunchers figure out why it's surprisingly good on mobs while still being able to do what an axe does (kill the gently caress out of elites and armor). TBH, a good team on diff >= 3 generally has no issue dealing with trash mobs; it's heavy and/or mixed mobs that trip you up, and in that role the Atrax honestly does feel so much better than the chainsword because you don't have the deal with a revved attack getting caught on some stray dumbfuck diving in front of a Mauler or whatever. I'll still keep this chainsword though, it's been good to me. (Pointedly not discussing the power sword. poo poo's clearly OP)
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i didnt like the plasma gun the first time i used it but after i got used to it, it is probably my favourite gun. I like it with the 'highlights shooters' level 30 perk because with a decent plasma gun you can waste an entire room of shooters on heresy like a railgun john wick
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Dec 13, 2022 14:28
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Railguns are always my go-to Wish the revolver was better because I also love handcannons
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I started leveling up a Veteran after mainlining Zealot like a crazy person since the start of the beta. The power sword really feels like cheating.
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Floppychop posted:The power sword really feels like cheating. It really does. You don't realize how much it rocks till you are on another class trying to melee.
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deep dish peat moss posted:Update on the plasma gun: holy poo poo it can shoot through many types of wall. On a class that has built-in wallhacks. Zzulu posted:Wish the revolver was better because I also love handcannons
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Zzulu posted:Railguns are always my go-to I got a revolver early on that had +20% damage on flak and carapace and would probably be one of my main weapons if not for the fact its item power is quite low. Ammo limits are mitigated by the Veteran's extra ammo and ammo regen on Elite kill feats. Plus the fact you can shoot through 3-4 enemies at once with it, and what it doesn't kill outright tends to get knocked down If it reloaded faster I'd even consider the Stub Revolver the go-to for the "Every shot Counts" pennence (which is still total bullshit).
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Dec 13, 2022 16:36
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Which weapons are unique to each class? I imagine all the Ogrin weapons are unique to them, and the staves are unique to the Psykers. Are there any other uniques?
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Dec 13, 2022 16:59
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Nitrousoxide posted:Which weapons are unique to each class? veteran gets the plasma gun and the power sword, psyker gets the staves + force sword + duelling swords, zealot gets the eviscerator and flamethrower, ogryns stuff is all unique like you said.
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Dec 13, 2022 17:02
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I've never had issues with dropoff or firepower on the pistol though I've rarely looked for issues with the dropoff. The stagger on it is amazing and can stop a flamer shooting halfway across the map, or a gunner, and it can do countersniping in a pinch. I don't think I'd use it on a vet but as ranged option on a zealot where I'm mostly using melee it is quite nice.
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juggalo baby coffin posted:veteran gets the plasma gun and the power sword, psyker gets the staves + force sword + duelling swords, zealot gets the eviscerator and flamethrower, ogryns stuff is all unique like you said. Thunder Hammer is also unique to the Zealot
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I know people have talked about shots connecting and just not dealing damage or stagger, what about Ogryn grenades? There was a lot happening and I wasn't recording but it looked like my box clipped right through an Ogryn enemy, no damage or stagger, no grenade box explosion. It takes so long to take out the box that most poo poo dies before I can toss one on Malice, then it doesn't even hit. I guess a smaller enemy's hit box might have clipped through the ogryn and the guy died inside the ogryn model?
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Angry_Ed posted:If it reloaded faster I'd even consider the Stub Revolver the go-to for the "Every shot Counts" pennence (which is still total bullshit). FWIW I think that penance is best gone for with a psyker. That's what the guides say at least - brain burst counts as a headshot.
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one thing thats interesting is you can actually see different marks of existing weapons (like the thunder hammer) in the preview for the weapon cosmetics store. the thunder hammer, revolver, chainsword all seem to be pretty different. the thunder hammer is a plainer model, the chainsword is more squared off and has a different guard, and the revolver has a muzzle brake. edit: the flamer in the preview is also different, its longer and has a heat shield
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Anti-Hero posted:FWIW I think that penance is best gone for with a psyker. That's what the guides say at least - brain burst counts as a headshot. It's a Vet penance, unless there's another 100% acc one I don't know about.
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Randarkman posted:Box? grenade
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Mendrian posted:I've never had issues with dropoff or firepower on the pistol though I've rarely looked for issues with the dropoff. The stagger on it is amazing and can stop a flamer shooting halfway across the map, or a gunner, and it can do countersniping in a pinch. I don't think I'd use it on a vet but as ranged option on a zealot where I'm mostly using melee it is quite nice. Edit: Although from testing in the psykhanium just now, it's mostly just Gunners, Trappers and Flamers were it gets really bad, which isn't as big a deal since they're close ranged specials anyway. (well, except for Gunners which does leave a bit of a weak spot for Zealots) Also the Revolver apparently has a really high innate crit rate? Or maybe "+melee critical hit rate" also affects ranged attacks which lol I'll take it Edit 2: Figured it out, it's specifically the Maniac armor type and high health Unarmoured enemies which the Revolver doesn't do well against. In fact, against Dreg Gunners you're better off hitting them in their flak armour instead of their unarmoured bits Exodee fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Dec 13, 2022 |
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dogstile posted:It's a Vet penance, unless there's another 100% acc one I don't know about. theres a headshot 20 guys in a row penance that you should absolutely do with brain burst. vet has headshot 5 guys in 1 activation of your ult which is easy with counter fire
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Randarkman posted:Box? Box
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Angry_Ed posted:If it reloaded faster I'd even consider the Stub Revolver the go-to for the "Every shot Counts" pennence (which is still total bullshit). I got this penance earlier this week, you can: 1. Use every bullet in your gun but the last one. (Doesn't matter if you hit with these.) 2. Alt+F4 3. Rejoin and use your last bullet (and hit, obviously). 4. Do not use the gun for the rest of the mission. Ammo gained from your Veteran passive will not ruin your penance. Also, you can gain this penance while playing as any class (or so I've heard).
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Randarkman posted:Box? Box.
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drrockso20 posted:After messing around with the two of them, while the Power Sword is definitely the overall stronger option(since near infinite cleave combined with really high power is a ridiculous combination), the Chain Sword has some advantages due to not being as reliant on it's charge mechanic as the former, since you'll only really be needing it for singular high health/armor targets(though it's surprisingly bad against the naked Ragers as those guys don't seem to get stunned at all by the charge attack unlike most things besides Monstrosities), which simplifies the timing and rhythm compared to the Power Sword by a lot I dunno, it's not actually that hard to push-strike then backdash to give yourself enough room for a quick charge up. You can still keep hordes off you just fine without charging if necessary, and then when you get a second to hit the charge just sweep em all into the bin. The chainsword is fine but if I wanted a chainsword I'd switch to zealot and play with the eviscerator which is just incredibly better. e: I still think eviscerator and thunder hammer needs a buff and power sword needs a nerf, the veteran should not be better at melee than the zealot lol
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What am I missing about the autoguns vs recon lasgun, the ammo to damage ratios just seem skewed wildly in comparison - does the recon fall off heavily at 4 diff?
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Lunch? Re: unique weapons Veteran - plasma, shovel, power sword, and I think maybe the charge lasguns? Zealot - heavy sword, eviscerator, thunder hammer, flamer Psyker - the various force weapons. Dueling sword Ogryn - Lunch? I'm guessing if they do another ogryn class down the line the Skullbreaker uniques will be the slab shield and grenade gauntlet
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I've been trying the plasmagun a lot on Heresy to try and "organically" get the 100% accuracy 0 ammo achievement (trying to maintain accuracy while actually being useful and if I think I have it I'll mag dump the rest at the horde at the end is the plan) and I gotta say it sucks rear end IMO - I run it with the Ogryn damage buff and even charging it and lining up headshots it like 3 taps reapers? so i can kill 1 reaper!?!?!? Then I have to be useless while it vents. It just feels soooo bad compared to the bolter and lasgun. To be fair though, my plasma gun roll is not great and I don't have a better one. They really need to do something about the ammo or the heat. If you're being gate kept by the heat anyways, you should not have to reload. All your ammo should be in the tank and reloading should only be for 100% purging heat safely. Baby T. Love posted:I got this penance earlier this week, you can: I'm pretty sure they patched the other class one, as I think you could get it very easily by bringing a flamer as a zealot. My problem with trying to do the Alt-F4 trick is that when I alt f4 my computer grinds to a halt as it tries to figure out how to close darktide and by the time you make it through all the loading screens it doesnt offer me to rejoin lol Jerkface fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Dec 13, 2022 |
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victrix posted:What am I missing about the autoguns vs recon lasgun, the ammo to damage ratios just seem skewed wildly in comparison - does the recon fall off heavily at 4 diff? Nope, i'm running mine at 4 diff and it shreds everything.
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