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Clarste posted:Also he has a funny little wave. I hate that dumb little wave. Its a stupid anime trope you see everywhere and I dont even watch a lot of anime!!
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I watch tons of anime and I can't think of any time I've seen that wave in it lol I guess all the bad guys in Cold Steel walk off while waving but it's not really the same
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Dec 19, 2022 18:51
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Hmm, I would say that the general idea of giving a casual wave without turning around is pretty common, but his specific floppy-hand dead fish wave is a little more unique to him.
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Dec 19, 2022 18:51
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At least he doesn't push up his glasses and catch the light on them, obscuring his eyes while smiling.
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Clarste posted:Hmm, I would say that the general idea of giving a casual wave without turning around is pretty common, but his specific floppy-hand dead fish wave is a little more unique to him. This is not a distinction I'm prepared to give much weight
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Kheldarn posted:Also, Ultimecia isn't Rinoa. Ultimecia is cool and good. Rinoa is bad and garbage. *loads dog*
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Sakurazuka posted:I watch tons of anime and I can't think of any time I've seen that wave in it lol same, even putting aside how silly it always is to do the thing where you get arbitrarily upset at thinking you recognized something
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Dec 19, 2022 19:08
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i hate anime tropes, like waving
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I hate anime tropes, like being a cool and fun character
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Hate that anime trope of being a bitchy gay aristocrat
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The Emet-Selch in Shadowbringers is p much a completely different character than the Emet-Selch in endwalker
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I’ve only gotten as far as what I assume is the end of Shadowbringers but my take is he’s a fun villain insofar as I had a good time being expected to dislike/distrust him, which is the mark of a well written baddie for me. It’s been so long that I have completely forgotten his motivations and all that but I recall a lot of back and forth of like “is he full of poo poo or is he actually right about what he’s saying, and how much is this him loving with us to further his own ends”. I enjoyed the tenuous partnership elements. It helps a lot that the flowery dialogue by this point in 14 is like sipping on a fine wine.
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Dec 19, 2022 19:23
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emet is cool and all, and I enjoyed learning what his deal is, but I don't understand all the stuff the game does that treats him like he's your best friend or something
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Dec 19, 2022 19:25
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His motivation is that he pines for the old days when killer slime monsters roamed the streets of the cities.
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grieving for Gandalf posted:emet is cool and all, and I enjoyed learning what his deal is, but I don't understand all the stuff the game does that treats him like he's your best friend or something he's like a sad, mean version of phil jackson. he wants the best from you and honestly hopes you'll impress him but he's loving pissed if you blow a championship game and he's armed
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Dec 19, 2022 19:28
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Emet-Selch is just another boomer dickhead raging cuz he cant understand why you dont want the same thing he does
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I'm gonna start pushing 'Auron is Alive' as a counterpoint to Squall is Dead theories with sources that links back in on itself and barely says anything
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fridge corn posted:The Emet-Selch in Shadowbringers is p much a completely different character than the Emet-Selch in endwalker I mean that's sort of the point, he's old and tired and sick of this poo poo and just going through the motions. That's what's supposed to be conveyed by his slouch and weird floppy hand wave, among other things.
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fridge corn posted:I hate that dumb little wave. Its a stupid anime trope you see everywhere and I dont even watch a lot of anime!! I assure that waving in a distinctive way isn’t an anime trope
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Wolfsheim posted:Two tidbits from the ending of the world of balance in FFVI: The Celes x Kefka breeding, iirc, was in the original script and got written over in the initial translation, as I recall, then brought back in the newer revised stuff.
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grieving for Gandalf posted:emet is cool and all, and I enjoyed learning what his deal is, but I don't understand all the stuff the game does that treats him like he's your best friend or something Yeah this is kind of weird, because the guy is like 10000x as bad as Zenos in terms of his actual crimes. I think he's a great character, but the game seems a bit too quick to be like "eh it happened a long time ago" about the whole "bunch of genocides" issue. I think it's good that the game still views him with empathy, but it deliberately makes his crimes feel more abstract due to all the victims being effectively nameless (since I doubt the WoL would be all buddy-buddy with him if G'raha died from his gunshot wound before they could track him down at the end of Shadowbringers) NieR Occomata posted:Until shadowbringers Emet-Selch is just a weird prick who fucks with you, but in a way that’s genuinely pretty funny and makes you enjoy the times he comes by to mess with you. During shadowbringers, they basically end up actually explaining who he is and what his plans are and it explains his weird assholey initial behavior as a way to mask deep pain, but sir I am Pagliacci style. Basically he’s a bad guy and he’s wrong but he’s introduced with so much charisma and is so genuinely funny and likeable, and the stuff you learn about his backstory in Shadowbringers ends up making you feel like he’s a villain who is 100% justified in his actions. That’s an incredibly, incredibly difficult line for the game to walk, wherein you feel both that you have to put a stop to him but also that what he’s doing makes sense and isn’t evil in a traditionally defined sense. But Emet Selch doesn't even encounter the WoL until Shadowbringers? IIRC he first shows up in some post-Stormblood patch cutscenes with the Garlean Emperor. NieR Occomata posted:Ultimecia theory is narratively and thematically satisfying, and is partially even alluded to in the text of the work itself, even if unintentional. Squall is Dead is bullshit rear end Author is Dead fanwank wherein it’s a race by people who took their first Film Studies 101 class trying to come up with the most “out there” (that’s actually super cliched but whatever) fan theory and then backfill a justification. Basically it’s Room 237 but for weebs. Yeah I don't think the two theories are comparable at all. Also this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucSKdCbteMQ&t=250s. There's also the thing with Squall's face being obscured with a black hole, though in the context that happens in it's likely just referring to Squall forgetting who he is or something. All the evidence is completely circumstantial, but there's quite a bit of it.
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Pigbuster posted:Holy moly @ the finale to the SiIvagunner FF takeover: This is amazing.
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The anime trope of being flippant to people you don't like.
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fridge corn posted:Emet-Selch is just another boomer dickhead raging cuz he cant understand why you dont want the same thing he does That's literally the point you dingus!!! He's a different person after 15000 years of being one of the 3 people in existance that remember his home existed
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Ytlaya posted:Yeah this is kind of weird, because the guy is like 10000x as bad as Zenos in terms of his actual crimes. I think he's a great character, but the game seems a bit too quick to be like "eh it happened a long time ago" about the whole "bunch of genocides" issue. I think it's good that the game still views him with empathy, but it deliberately makes his crimes feel more abstract due to all the victims being effectively nameless (since I doubt the WoL would be all buddy-buddy with him if G'raha died from his gunshot wound before they could track him down at the end of Shadowbringers) the game shows empathy for Zenos, too.
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man nurse posted:I’ve only gotten as far as what I assume is the end of Shadowbringers but my take is he’s a fun villain insofar as I had a good time being expected to dislike/distrust him, which is the mark of a well written baddie for me. It’s been so long that I have completely forgotten his motivations and all that but I recall a lot of back and forth of like “is he full of poo poo or is he actually right about what he’s saying, and how much is this him loving with us to further his own ends”. I enjoyed the tenuous partnership elements.
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One thing I will say about Emet-Selch is that not even the Shadowbringers version of Emet-Selch was as bad as the big bad from Endwalker jesus.
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cock hero flux posted:it's really funny that the eldritch turbo wizard's plan to preserve his millennia-old grand design and prevent a magic ritual self sacrifice that one of the wisest and most powerful mages in the universe dedicated his entire life to completing with over a century of build-up and preparation is just "i'm gonna shoot the guy with a gun right at the end and then bail" And it almost works. I'm not entirely certain why it didn't.
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jokes posted:And it almost works. I'm not entirely certain why it didn't. it does work, it's just that a mostly different plan succeeds later
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Am I missing something or is Crisis Core's combat pretty braindead
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Am I missing something or is Crisis Core's combat pretty braindead No it’s pretty braindead, but it was fun and flashy for a portable game
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Heran Bago posted:Aside from recency-bias, why do people like Emet-Selch that much? Unbelievably enormous, perfectly-proportioned hog.
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Agents are GO! posted:Unbelievably enormous, perfectly-proportioned hog. that he can expertly manipulate into the shape of a hand, waving at the player as he walks away
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Am I missing something or is Crisis Core's combat pretty braindead It's pretty braindead, though it's kind of fun taking advantage of its various materia/equipment to break it early into the game, sorta like FF8's junction system. I'm in chapter 4 and have the Hell -aga spells with Status Ward, this bullshit defense-bypassing "Darkness" ability, and an item that makes my attacks hit with all elements' damage type. Also it's silly how you can essentially keep an endless stock of MP/AP recovery items. edit: Also when I'll be like "drat this fight is a bit tough" and suddenly I get the option to press Y and have Odin kill everyone edit2: The one advice of sorts that I could see someone missing is that it seems pretty important to stack up your HP (and you can do this pretty easily using materia fusion). I was able to punch above my weight class (so to speak) by having like +150-200% HP, since being able to survive a single hit is often enough to beat higher-level encounters, since you can space healing items or spells pretty easily. Augus posted:the game shows empathy for Zenos, too. Yeah, but you can have empathy alongside judgement, and the WoL's perspective towards Zenos is very different from Emet Selch. The "default" WoL perspective towards Zenos is generally "gently caress this guy" up until the very end (even if you have an option to be like "I kind of like him personally even if he still needs to die for what he's done"). I like Emet Selch and think he's a very good character (and all his actions are entirely understandable given his history/motivations), but I don't think there's any denying that the game/characters' perspectives would have been very different if he had killed an actual familiar "named" character at some point. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Dec 19, 2022 |
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Agents are GO! posted:Unbelievably enormous, perfectly-proportioned hog.  
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jokes posted:that he can expertly manipulate into the shape of a hand, waving at the player as he walks away Animated like Xehanort's excessive hand motions.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Am I missing something or is Crisis Core's combat pretty braindead they made it a lot faster and more punchy but it was never a very complex game and that remains the case. it's a PSP game at heart, designed to be easy to pick up and do a few missions during bus rides.
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Wait what the gently caress why is Wakka so popular all of a sudden? Did they do an FF14 event with him or something? I don't play FF14
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