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Jim Silly-Balls posted:All passengers will be safely ejected through the panel gaps New thread title material there.
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:All passengers will be safely ejected through the panel gaps Lmaoooo nice
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Jan 4, 2023 01:17
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:All passengers will be safely ejected through the panel gaps So anyone under 500 pounds should pass through with nary a scratch, got it,
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Jan 4, 2023 14:52
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Saukkis posted:Well there is a simple solution. Truck weight should come with truck speed.
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Jan 4, 2023 15:03
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In Norway in the 90s, a Chevrolet Tahoe was $50,000 more than a Chevrolet Suburban, because the Tahoe was a passenger car, while the Suburban was a truck.
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Jan 4, 2023 17:48
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I went to Germany for a business meeting back in the early 00s and I remember talking to a norwegian car enthusiast telling me about the absolute insane taxes they had. He imported a C4 corvette and it was something absolutely nuts.... I'm probably misremembering but it was something like 5x-10x the value of the car or so. He remember thinking he must *really* want a thoroughly mediocre car.
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Jan 4, 2023 18:29
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Serperoth posted:It's baffling to me that they don't already need a separate license based on weight/capacity Well, they do, sorta, but the division is way up there in terms of weight, and usually it has to be a "commercial vehicle" to allow Grandpa to drive his 12000 pound RV on a passenger car license (which I do NOT agree with at all - "professional" drivers are bad enough.) Lord Ludikrous posted:I suppose its only fair that its as lethal to the people inside the vehicle as much as those outside. Someone in the Elon thread posted a video from The Expanse of a Belter coming to a sudden stop in his ship, and, yeah. Accurate. CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Thank Christ this piece of poo poo isnt coming to Australia. By the looks of it Europe as well, just completely unable to pass safety regulations and too heavy to be drivien with a normal license Jim Silly-Balls posted:It’s a Musk-run company. It’s never coming out anywhere. I’m guessing they’re making big claims to try to prop the stock up after it took a poo poo Essentially what I was going to say.
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Jan 4, 2023 19:07
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Ruflux posted:Not to burst your bubble since the principle is sound but the reality is that most of the people who buy those also have the means to (get someone to) bypass the limiter, resulting in a truck that they paid and continue to pay very little tax on but still has no truck-specific speed limiter or indeed the idiotic commercial vehicles restriction that means regular pick-ups can't have rear seats since that classifies them as passenger vehicles and tacks on potentially tens of thousands of euros in extra taxes. Easy enough to enforce - if a camera sees the 'truck' going faster than the limit then confiscate it.
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Jan 4, 2023 20:31
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Ruflux posted:Not to burst your bubble since the principle is sound but the reality is that most of the people who buy those also have the means to (get someone to) bypass the limiter, resulting in a truck that they paid and continue to pay very little tax on but still has no truck-specific speed limiter or indeed the idiotic commercial vehicles restriction that means regular pick-ups can't have rear seats since that classifies them as passenger vehicles and tacks on potentially tens of thousands of euros in extra taxes. IIRC FORScan can bypass the limiter on a lot of Fords. FORScan can't change anything in the PCM, but the limiters are often in another module. Even if FORScan can't do it, any dealer tech that's been handed some cash can do it. It's just a field in the as-built file for whatever module handles it. Sometimes in a weird format like driveshaft RPM, but it's in there. I kept threatening to change my boss's van to 5 MPH at one job 
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Jan 4, 2023 20:35
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This would be the only occasion I'd agree with over the air updates for a car, keeping the limiter on these enormous turds.
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Jan 4, 2023 22:16
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:All passengers will be safely ejected through the panel gaps
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Jan 5, 2023 01:36
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Olympic Mathlete posted:This would be the only occasion I'd agree with over the air updates for a car, keeping the limiter on these enormous turds. You haven't lived until you've had a LWB high roof Transit 350 up to 110 MPH. While wearing pajama pants and drifting it around a turn @ WOT.  (sadly... a late model USDM Transit has a lot more power than an 80s Z car, very likely faster in the 1/4 mile too in SWB/low roof trim)
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Jan 5, 2023 01:56
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STR posted:a late model USDM Transit has a lot more power than an 80s Z car The UK one can still come with FWD and a 105hp diesel even with the high top and a fairly long wheelbase.
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Jan 5, 2023 02:47
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8wUIoyN_TA
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Jan 5, 2023 06:02
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I'm not watching all that
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Jan 5, 2023 06:50
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Help, my windshield BSOD'd and i hit a fire hydrant.
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Jan 5, 2023 07:12
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Gotta love a video starting out with a "everything was better in the past"-protagonist that reforms his views to "you know what? Maybe not everything was better in the past" by the end of a commercial...from BMW. based ay eff
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Jan 5, 2023 07:51
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Yeah nah gently caress off BMW
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Jan 5, 2023 08:38
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I quit when I heard the narrators voice. Just has that perfect level of smugness.
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Jan 5, 2023 11:34
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Electric cars are going to kill BMW, not because they don't want to make one, but because they refuse to just stick a battery and 3-4 motors in an M3 and adjust the suspension
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Jan 5, 2023 11:48
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Jonny Nox posted:Electric cars are going to kill BMW I sure hope so. Gimme a screaming E30 M3 anyday over their latest turds.
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Jan 5, 2023 12:07
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Remember a few years ago when a bunch of car companies got spooked by Tesla and made commitments to go fully electric by like 5 or 10 years? Lmao
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Jan 5, 2023 13:59
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dissss posted:The UK one can still come with FWD and a 105hp diesel even with the high top and a fairly long wheelbase. FWD? That's just bizarre to me, they're only available as RWD and AWD here. 105hp has to be painful in something that heavy too, but Ford UK's website claims some impressive economy with that engine in the high roof/LWB (29.1 mpg). The ones I drove got ~8-12 MPG depending how angry my right foot was that day. Surprised they don't offer them with a gas engine over there, looks like diesel, hybrid, or electric only. Here it's electric or 3.5 V6 only, 10 speed slushbox only on the gasser. I think you can still get the Ecoboost 3.5 in the smaller ones, but NA only on the bigger ones.
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Jan 5, 2023 14:44
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lol what the christ. "Let's do a whole thing about movie tropes, and then just sort of ignore that we're ending with the same THE FUTURE IS NOW, YOUR PERFECT ULTIMATE DIGITAL COMPANION marketing gibberish that all the dystopian techno-future horror or satire movies of the past 30 years have led with in their first five minutes Arnie you were in some of those very movies, what DID they pay you for this e: BMW: Your plastic pal who's fun to be with! Data Graham fucked around with this message at 15:19 on Jan 5, 2023 |
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Jan 5, 2023 14:57
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Remember a few years ago when a bunch of car companies got spooked by Tesla and made commitments to go fully electric by like 5 or 10 years? I mean, as much as I dislike it, it's not like the market and stupid amounts of government subsidies aren't there. Hell, BMW itself is opening an additional plant that'll be EV-only in Hungary in 2025, and they shelled out another couple of billion for an EV- and autonomous-driving test track in the Czech Republic that already opened.
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Jan 5, 2023 15:10
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Oh, dont get me wrong, i also think its stupid to ignore the EV segment, because its here and its not going away, but the reaction some companies had to Tesla having a few profitable quarters was nuts. Just abandoning ship on internal combusion is wild. I think now most companies realize that the smart move is to do both ICE and EV, because there is a customer base for both
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Jan 5, 2023 15:18
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Oh, dont get me wrong, i also think its stupid to ignore the EV segment, because its here and its not going away, but the reaction some companies had to Tesla having a few profitable quarters was nuts. Just abandoning ship on internal combusion is wild. A few profitable quarters followed by a 70%+ loss of value in 2022. Extremely wrong company to base your future strategies on. I agree 100% with diversifying the offerings to ICE and EV. Most companies are doing that currently and it’s a solid idea.
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Jan 5, 2023 15:35
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STR posted:FWD? That's just bizarre to me, they're only available as RWD and AWD here. 105hp has to be painful in something that heavy too, but Ford UK's website claims some impressive economy with that engine in the high roof/LWB (29.1 mpg). The ones I drove got ~8-12 MPG depending how angry my right foot was that day. I think that's the 1.5l Diesel, the 2.0l Diesel gets like 210 HP. I'm still disappointed a Turbodiesel Electric Hybrid is not an offering yet. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Jan 5, 2023 |
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Jan 5, 2023 15:43
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Diesel battery electric drive train when?
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Jan 5, 2023 17:01
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STR posted:FWD? That's just bizarre to me, they're only available as RWD and AWD here. 105hp has to be painful in something that heavy too, but Ford UK's website claims some impressive economy with that engine in the high roof/LWB (29.1 mpg). The ones I drove got ~8-12 MPG depending how angry my right foot was that day. We have rather different standards over in Europe as to how much horsepower you need, plus most companies will order the cheapest most barebones vans possible for their fleets. For a previous job I did have a 1.5l diesel 100hp Transit Courier Sport and that was honestly a great little van that delivered some impressive fuel economy.
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Jan 5, 2023 17:08
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LimaBiker posted:Diesel battery electric drive train when? It makes the most sense: Diesels thrive as generators, and it'd be easy to just top off batteries with a small 1-2 cylinder diesel.
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Jan 5, 2023 18:23
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STR posted:105hp has to be painful in something that heavy too Europeans think a 300 kilometer drive is an overnight trip and indeed you may end up in another country if you go that far in the first place. They don't need to drive fast
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CommieGIR posted:I think that's the 1.5l Diesel, the 2.0l Diesel gets like 210 HP. They're all 2l. 105ps is the basic version, the most powerful one is 170ps
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Jan 5, 2023 19:06
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CommieGIR posted:It makes the most sense: Diesels thrive as generators, and it'd be easy to just top off batteries with a small 1-2 cylinder diesel. I'm betting accountants would poo poo themselves seeing the cost of a small passenger diesel engine, complete with Urea injection and a DPF, combined with an electric motor, generator and a battery bank. For NVH reasons you'd want at least a 3 cylinder diesel under the hood, and by the time you pay for all that equipment you'd probably be just as well stuffing an obscene number of batteries into a single electric motor unit and at least getting some sort of CAFE/tax credit. Not to mention the weight of the diesel motor and the oversized components to deal with the higher compression and added stresses. Now, on long-haul semi trucks where you could swap in a 4-cylinder diesel that would act as an always-on generator giving the truck enough oomph to sustain 60mph, and a battery that aids acceleration and hill climbs and regenerates on slow-down and descents would be pretty interesting, and fuel economy gains there would probably be enough to offset any cost impacts on vehicles that cost 6 figures anyways.
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Jan 5, 2023 19:44
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two words: micro turbine
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Jonny Nox posted:Electric cars are going to kill BMW, not because they don't want to make one, but because they refuse to just stick a battery and 3-4 motors in an M3 and adjust the suspension Haven't they done basically that already? The i4 M50.
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Jan 5, 2023 20:11
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funeral home DJ posted:I'm betting accountants would poo poo themselves seeing the cost of a small passenger diesel engine, complete with Urea injection and a DPF, combined with an electric motor, generator and a battery bank. For NVH reasons you'd want at least a 3 cylinder diesel under the hood, and by the time you pay for all that equipment you'd probably be just as well stuffing an obscene number of batteries into a single electric motor unit and at least getting some sort of CAFE/tax credit. Not to mention the weight of the diesel motor and the oversized components to deal with the higher compression and added stresses. Trust me, I know diesels, and its not nearly as bad as that. Especially since a diesel not constantly throttling up and down actually doesn't have as much emissions issues. Generators are super efficient emissions wise because they just...stay at a 200-400 RPM range rather than revving up and down over 2000 or more RPMs causing underburned fuel during boosting. EVs and Hybrids are generally somewhat expensive, adding a diesel probably wouldn't add that much especially as Gas engines are not exactly exempt from emissions equipment and costs associated either. Hybrids are probably the best bet for solving EV range issues.
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Jan 5, 2023 20:23
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Cached Money posted:Haven't they done basically that already? The i4 M50. no, that's a battery and 3-4 motors in an M3 beaten with the fugly stick
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Jan 5, 2023 20:34
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Yeah nah gently caress off BMW At least it doesn't have the gigantic BMW nostrils.
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Sagebrush posted:Europeans think a 300 kilometer drive is an overnight trip and indeed you may end up in another country if you go that far in the first place. They don't need to drive fast On the highways, speeds are probably pretty similar to in the USA, though semi trucks are restricted to 85km/h. I've seen very conventional vans on the Autobahn at 160-170km/h. Seeing them in the distance on my bike, and then being surprised by how long it took to catch up with them. Modern vans aren't necessarily slow. I think the average van has a 4 cyl turbodiesel of between 140 and 180hp. Getting up to speed with a fully loaded van takes forever, of course. But as long as you can keep up with an accelerating semi, you're totally fine. Slip roads are long enough for safe merging. I was told by a bus driver that an unrestricted passenger coach can often hit 130-140km/h. But those are restricted to 100km/h. In the end, i think it's mainly a mentality difference. It's completely normal to accelerate to 100km/h in 20ish seconds, in a family car, because the slip roads are long enough. The average family car can do it in 12 seconds or so. If i travel 300km, i can visit (including my own) 3 countries.
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