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ThatBasqueGuy posted:Zoro's swordmaster definitely "accidentally" killed his daughter for trying to break gender norms, right? The framing of her breaking into the adult convo, him being "shut the gently caress up you're a girl" smash cut to "and then she fell down some stairs and died" paired with his vaguely sinister vibes afterwards and discomfort with her as a topic w.r.t. zoro all feel like they point to it? Nnnnno.
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That seems too dark for Oda
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Jan 11, 2023 22:51
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You need help
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a lot of crocodile mom lovers calling me out on this, i wont name names
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:a lot of crocodile mom lovers calling me out on this, i wont name names Make a boring theory, and then deflect criticism by calling them supporters of a fun theory.
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By the way Odyssey is holding an average review score of 75 on Metacritic so it’s not amazing. Most criticism seems to be for the bad pacing and combat being too easy
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Jan 11, 2023 23:14
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The Straw Hats are too powerful is what I’m hearing
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hatty posted:That seems too dark for Oda honestly less dark than "and then big mom ate all the orphans"
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Jan 11, 2023 23:19
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7 out of 10 is alright for a One Piece game, lord knows we've had worse.
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Delphisage posted:Make a boring theory, and then deflect criticism by calling them supporters of a fun theory. I was more wondering if anyone had the same read, which seems like a solid "no" this time around. For the record croco-mom rules and I wish he was my mom too. and yeah happens early enough that tonal inconsistency can be somewhat hand waved away with everything still being established im willing to meet people halfway and say it was just because he didnt want to be a single dad anymore ThatBasqueGuy fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Jan 11, 2023 |
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Len posted:honestly less dark than "and then big mom ate all the orphans" Killing a daughter for reasons of chauvinism isn't really something you label "dark" so much as "edgy".
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I seriously don't think anything about Kuina is going to be relevant anymore short of if she turns out to not be dead.
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Also this is the same manga that just under a decade ago praised Kyros for training Rebecca to fight wrong. Just leave Zoro's backstory untouched and have him hook up with Perona. The chance to alter it further came and went with Wano.
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Waffleman_ posted:I seriously don't think anything about Kuina is going to be relevant anymore short of if she turns out to not be dead. Even if her resemblance is just a coincidence (which is possible, but not a given), Zoro still needs to work through his feelings regarding Kunia as long as Tashigi is still out there reminding him of her.
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Zoro's feelings were worked out in Punk Hazard when he went from not wanting to fight her because she looks like his old friend to not wanting to fight her because she's a weakling loser that sucks.RatHat posted:By the way Odyssey is holding an average review score of 75 on Metacritic so it’s not amazing. Most criticism seems to be for the bad pacing and combat being too easy It's a tie in rpg, 75 is about what i'd expect honestly. Maybe a bit better.
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Jan 12, 2023 01:42
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sort of okay only works for short games, not long rear end rpgs.
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Actually they work better because rpgs rule
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Kuina was killed by stairs and buried. However the will of the sword was unsatisfied. Soon after the Bride's theme could be heard, muffled, in the cemetery. The next day a very dirty Tashigi boarded a boat. Her head hurt, but she found that glasses eased the ache.
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The big point of Kuina dying by falling down stairs is that Zoro cannot beat stairs, there's nothing for him to fight no option for vengeance or ability to prove himself. Kuina didn't lose to someone, she wasn't killed by anyone, Zoro must live forever questioning if he could beat Kuina in a fight (he certainly argued against the things her dad told her) because nobody ever beat her. She died by accident. It has to be a tragedy that Zoro is incapable of solving/responding to with violent vengeance because the point is that he will never be able to prove to himself that he would have beaten Kuina in the end.
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Lord_Magmar posted:The big point of Kuina dying by falling down stairs is that Zoro cannot beat stairs, there's nothing for him to fight no option for vengeance or ability to prove himself. Zoro will learn how to beat stairs once he becomes true friends with Sanji. Sanji will teach him to skywalk and avoid stairs completely.
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Maybe that's the reason for all of the death flags around Zoro in the series (including an actual encounter with Death). Maybe Zoro dies and his final scene involves him reuniting with Kuina in the afterlife. Zoro is back in his child body, but now has his lifetime of experience to call on, as the two finally have their rematch. Kuina still wins, because she spent decades training on King Kai's planet
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I'll be honest I don't think Zoro winning tough fights and being near death afterwards are actually "Death Flags"
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Chopper will cure the 'fall down some stairs and die' disease and cement himself as the greatest swordsman.
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Shiryu should've eaten the Stair Stair Fruit to give Zoro the opportunity for proper closure.
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Zoro will complete his dream by carring a printer snail up those stairs for tsuragi and not drop a single bead of sweat
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Shiryu: You can't beat me, Roronora, do you see the stairs in my house?! Zoro: !!! Shiryu: I AM PROTECTED!!!
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If your stairs aren't built by Franky, are they really any better than being built by Grover?
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Remember that time Franky built a staircase in midair so he and Chopper could punch a giant in the jaw
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Still maybe the best fight in One Piece
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Oars was such a good fight before Moria got there, not that’s it’s bad or even mediocre after but it’s rare to see multi man fights in shonen in general (because it’s hard) so having it mostly just be a dogpile with some of the weirder tag team moments and attacks in general was a blast, like Zoro borrowing the huge stone nunchucks Franky made earlier and smacking a giant around with them.
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RatHat posted:First review I’ve seen of Odyssey Like Luffy always says, when it comes to this game being good I “Believe It!”
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Last Celebration posted:Oars was such a good fight before Moria got there, not that’s it’s bad or even mediocre after but it’s rare to see multi man fights in shonen in general (because it’s hard) so having it mostly just be a dogpile with some of the weirder tag team moments and attacks in general was a blast, like Zoro borrowing the huge stone nunchucks Franky made earlier and smacking a giant around with them. Don't forget Franky building a stairway while running on the stairs so he and Chopper can deck Oars in the face. Or building a bridge in an instant when the team's wondering how to cross a broken one and then complaining that he doesn't like the design while everyone's freaking out about how fast he was. Honestly I think Thriller Bark was the only arc where Franky's carpenter gimmick was actually used during an adventure (outside of ship maintenance), since he's mostly the robot riding guy after the timeskip.
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i wonder what would happen if sanjis sister met magellan
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more one piece shower thoughts: if all of choppers points are his different zoan forms, and him becoming monster point is similar to a forced zoan awakening since he ends up mindless like the impel down guards why does the human human fruit awakening gigantify him
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What if Kuina's dad was eating a banana and just threw the peel down at the top of the stairs? What then? That's still responsible.
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Paper Lion posted:more one piece shower thoughts: if all of choppers points are his different zoan forms, and him becoming monster point is similar to a forced zoan awakening since he ends up mindless like the impel down guards It’s probably Model: Yeti since it’s a giant hairy man that got super huge post skip, that’d be my guess. We know they’re a thing with the Yeti Cool Bros, and also it’s an unnaturally induced form like Black Maria so it doesn’t play 100% by the rules.
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Paper Lion posted:more one piece shower thoughts: if all of choppers points are his different zoan forms, and him becoming monster point is similar to a forced zoan awakening since he ends up mindless like the impel down guards Monster Point is probably even bigger because of all the drugs, not just because of the pseudo-awakening.
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why does chopper's hybrid form shrink him
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Preskip I guess because he wasn’t a fully grown reindeer so his human form scaled accordingly. Postskip it’s because he has an Everstone equipped?
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