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it's because he is the cute mascot character.
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Jan 12, 2023 12:43
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Jan 12, 2023 13:24
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I got the tude now posted:I want chop
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Jan 12, 2023 13:37
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I got the tude now posted:I want chap
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Jan 12, 2023 13:49
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I got the tude now posted:I want chap 
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Jan 12, 2023 14:21
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As a baker this subplot makes me T____T
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Jan 12, 2023 14:44
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Chopper’s points work the same way as King, Queen, and Sasaki’s transformations work. It works because they believe it works. Also just realized the points are like points on a deer i.e. a ten-point buck
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Zoro speculation is always odd because we have so little to go off of. He is the same person as at series start just with more power and an oddly detailed sword collection sub theme that doesnt interact with the plot much. People are keen for stuff like "zoro's dad was imprisoned with yamato" and "denjiro was zoro's teacher" because it connects him to some part of the rest of the world. Just having him win vs X legendary swordsman at the end of the series and saying congrats you did it you're the best we all knew you could do it seems like too straight a path but what else is there.
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Wii Spawn Camper posted:Chopper’s points work the same way as King, Queen, and Sasaki’s transformations work. It works because they believe it works. The more anatomy books Chopper reads, the weaker he gets. Good thing he believes Usopp's lies
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Jan 12, 2023 16:30
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I just saw a guy argue that Zoro losing one of his swords to a Rust Man near the end of Enies Lobby was a bullshit plot development. Suddenly I am no longer ungenerous towards Basque's theories.
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Jan 12, 2023 16:47
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No Wave posted:Zoro speculation is always odd because we have so little to go off of. He is the same person as at series start just with more power and an oddly detailed sword collection sub theme that doesnt interact with the plot much. People are keen for stuff like "zoro's dad was imprisoned with yamato" and "denjiro was zoro's teacher" because it connects him to some part of the rest of the world. Just having him win vs X legendary swordsman at the end of the series and saying congrats you did it you're the best we all knew you could do it seems like too straight a path but what else is there. Yeah, I feel like it’s just a deliberate thing at this point that Zoro is Just A Guy, like even his one flashback where you’d think there’d be a whole loving thing given how much Luffy/Sanji got expanded on was like “nah, he’s still just a guy, but his rival was the descendant of samurai” and was just there so he could realize Enma really wanted to fight and wasn’t just trying to suck him off.
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Jan 12, 2023 16:53
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Even the guy who we thought was supposed to be his final boss ended up being his roommate for two years so the tension there is kind of all gone.
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He lost an eye at some point but nobody has even mentioned it (outside of Sanji's off the cuff insults) and I'm not sure it we'll ever learn what the heck happened there. It's just Zoro stuff.
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Libra posted:He lost an eye at some point but nobody has even mentioned it (outside of Sanji's off the cuff insults) and I'm not sure it we'll ever learn what the heck happened there. It's just Zoro stuff. Though it'll no doubt piss off thousands when it turns out to be as simple as "he lost it in training" rather than "he's keeping it closed to charge his Spiral Power".
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Jan 12, 2023 17:01
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He lost the eye, like he literally could not find it one day
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I would say Zoro’s personality changed over the time skip, but not for the better. Mihawk’s  rubbed off on him.
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Silver2195 posted:I would say Zoro’s personality changed over the time skip, but not for the better. Mihawk’s
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One interesting point of characterization I haven’t seen discussed much is the change in Luffy and Zoro’s relationship between Whiskey Peak and Thriller Bark. I think a lot of people basically take the fight between Luffy and Zoro as a joke to be ignored, but I think it’s more interesting if you take it somewhat seriously. Luffy saved Zoro’s life but basically forced him to become a pirate in the process; it’s plausible that Zoro has some lingering resentment over that. And while the most memorable examples of it come after Whiskey Peak, Zoro does have a somewhat bloodthirsty streak that Luffy might be somewhat uncomfortable with. Of course it’s also true that Luffy was initially more willing to believe Zoro was a good guy than Coby was; but what really convinced Luffy of this was Zoro showing gratitude for the little girl’s rice balls. When Luffy sees Zoro behaving in the opposite manner, attacking people who have given him food, this reverses Luffy’s view of him. Food and hospitality are pretty central to Luffy’s ideas of right and wrong; note that in the Fishman Island arc he admits he isn’t a hero because he doesn’t want to share meat, for instance. So it’s not really out of character for Luffy and Zoro to fight there. That raises the question, of course, what changed? The obvious answer is the end of the Whiskey Peak fight himself; it made Luffy a lot less inclined to doubt Zoro in the future. Another is simply being on the same ship for so long and having a lot of high-risk adventures together. And part of it, I think, is that Zoro sees the world from a more pro-pirate point of view now; he sees the world government as such as bad now, rather than Morgan being an isolated bad actor, and thus is if anything grateful he isn’t a bounty hunter anymore. Does all this make sense, or am I missing something important?
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Of the extraneous one piece sub plots I am most impressed by MADS. All four of them are great characters, their relationships and secrets are extremely interesting, none of them is one note and they all have completely different life paths It came out of nowhere in the new world and it just fits so good.
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No Wave posted:Of the extraneous one piece sub plots I am most impressed by MADS. All four of them are great characters, their relationships and secrets are extremely interesting, none of them is one note and they all have completely different life paths It came out of nowhere in the new world and it just fits so good. Do they really have completely different life paths? They’re less different than Vegapunk likes to think, IMO.
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Clown Queen Judge are undoubtedly all bad science guys, but they're different flavors of it. Judge is the obsessive emperor of his fake kingdom, clown is a lackey to the core of his being, queen hitched his wagon to someone strong and enjoys the perks. Punk is a radical who wants to save the world by open sourcing his brrain.
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One wonders exactly at the difficulties of the formation of what may as well of been a science pirate crew was back in the day, that shot of the MADS armed and ready to rock, all known members are amoral if not psychotic and while Vegapunk qualities as a combatant are unknown, Ceaser and Queen are in the top percentage of the worlds most dangerous people. Judge probably is too, I dunno. I can only think of the fight with Sanji that the latter didn't think was worth it so it's hard to say.
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No Wave posted:Zoro speculation is always odd because we have so little to go off of. He is the same person as at series start just with more power and an oddly detailed sword collection sub theme that doesnt interact with the plot much. People are keen for stuff like "zoro's dad was imprisoned with yamato" and "denjiro was zoro's teacher" because it connects him to some part of the rest of the world. Just having him win vs X legendary swordsman at the end of the series and saying congrats you did it you're the best we all knew you could do it seems like too straight a path but what else is there. It’s about the journey, and all the fun growth along the way. I can say the exact same thing about Luffy except the inverse ignoring all the important context along the way “we knew he was going to be pirate king and he did it, but wow how cheap that he was actually a god and he had this dumb overpowered lineage”
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Caidin posted:One wonders exactly at the difficulties of the formation of what may as well of been a science pirate crew was back in the day, that shot of the MADS armed and ready to rock, all known members are amoral if not psychotic and while Vegapunk qualities as a combatant are unknown, Ceaser and Queen are in the top percentage of the worlds most dangerous people. Judge probably is too, I dunno. I can only think of the fight with Sanji that the latter didn't think was worth it so it's hard to say.
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No Wave posted:Even the guy who we thought was supposed to be his final boss ended up being his roommate for two years so the tension there is kind of all gone. I think that adds tension frankly.
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SyntheticPolygon posted:I think that adds tension frankly. No, Franky wasn't with them, he was at the old laboratory.
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SyntheticPolygon posted:I think that adds tension frankly. It does because it posits the question of whether Perona is dating Mihawk or Zoro. It's Mihawk. It's both.
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I mean Mihawk is way more goth than zolo
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SyntheticPolygon posted:I think that adds tension frankly. Mihawk getting a surge of power after remembering that one time Zoro forgot to replace the toilet roll.
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one piece odyssey deez nuts
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Mihawk is more like Perona's moody goth uncle who doesn't get along with her dad (Moria).
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:I mean Mihawk is way more goth than zolo if ive learned anything from being Online it's that you're supposed to pair the most goth person with the least goth person
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Zoro is a jock, the polar opposite of a goth
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Silver2195 posted:One interesting point of characterization I haven’t seen discussed much is the change in Luffy and Zoro’s relationship between Whiskey Peak and Thriller Bark. I think a lot of people basically take the fight between Luffy and Zoro as a joke to be ignored, but I think it’s more interesting if you take it somewhat seriously. Luffy saved Zoro’s life but basically forced him to become a pirate in the process; it’s plausible that Zoro has some lingering resentment over that. And while the most memorable examples of it come after Whiskey Peak, Zoro does have a somewhat bloodthirsty streak that Luffy might be somewhat uncomfortable with. Of course it’s also true that Luffy was initially more willing to believe Zoro was a good guy than Coby was; but what really convinced Luffy of this was Zoro showing gratitude for the little girl’s rice balls. When Luffy sees Zoro behaving in the opposite manner, attacking people who have given him food, this reverses Luffy’s view of him. Food and hospitality are pretty central to Luffy’s ideas of right and wrong; note that in the Fishman Island arc he admits he isn’t a hero because he doesn’t want to share meat, for instance. So it’s not really out of character for Luffy and Zoro to fight there. I don't think Luffy's really uncomfortable with Zoro's bloodthirsty streak; Zoro loves fights but hates bullying the weak. Literally a case of strong against the strong and weak against the weak. Luffy also doesn't really hate the concept of fighting, and while he might not be as fight-hungry as Zoro he's still pretty eager to test out new techniques or marvel over his opponent's weird powers. He has fun fighting when stakes aren't on the line, and given that he grew up idolizing Shanks, he knows that pirates can't avoid fighting. I also don't think Zoro really hated pirates the way Nami did, he just hunted them to make ends meet while searching for Mihawk. So I don't think he was really unhappy with becoming a pirate. Heck, in Luffy, he found a fellow big dreamer (Luffy: Be Pirate King, Zoro: Be Strongest Swordsman) and a guy who was willing to believe in his dream (Luffy has full faith in Zoro becoming the strongest swordsman one day). The Whiskey Peak thing is, I think, a case of the crew's non-standard horizontal hierarchy, where the crew and captain are generally on the same level. The crew generally treat Luffy as a fellow crew member and not a captain when things aren't on the line, and it's just a case of miscommunication resulting in a light scuffle (that Nami immediately ends). Zoro was just exasperated by Luffy and Luffy was being stupid as usual. While nobody ever explicitly calls Zoro the first mate, he is the one who keeps the crew in line when things get serious. He's the one who calls Luffy out and tells him to act like a captain at times (Water Seven, Punk Hazard). So his fight with Luffy at Whiskey Peak could be an extension of that, where the captain goes off and eats himself into a stupor without care, leaving Zoro (and unknownst to everyone else, Nami) to deal with Baroque Works (and all Nami does is steal their poo poo, she doesn't help fight). Of course, Zoro just wanting to duke it out with Luffy, a strong guy he knows and has never really fought yet, is just as in-character. He'd never pick a fight with Luffy but since Luffy was giving him an excuse, why not? quote:Another is simply being on the same ship for so long and having a lot of high-risk adventures together. This does probably play a huge part too. During East Blue the crew was still in its infancy and still working out the kinks.
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Waffleman_ posted:Zoro is a jock, the polar opposite of a goth 90s teen horror movies taught me that that works though.
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I just started playing Odyssey. Apparently Luffy starts out at level 40 before he gets his stats obliterated. Those resistances.  E: I think Charm should be 100 unless it has to do with meat, then it's -infinity.
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No Wave posted:They're just so interesting. I like MADS so much that I want the stussy looking figure to be a misdirection and it's actually my favorite character kureha dressing inappropriately for 70. I mean Stussy as the last member is interesting too because while the others went to be criminals or radicals she chose to work for The Man and strangely seems to have given up on science altogether.
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