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Jaxyon posted:most good comedy involves saying uncomfortable truths and punching upward Here is Kinison going after victims of the horrible famine in Ethiopia. quote:You want to help world hunger? Stop sending them food. Don’t send them another bite, send them U-Hauls. Send them a guy that says, “You know, we’ve been coming here giving you food for about 35 years now and we were driving through the desert, and we realized there wouldn’t BE world hunger if you people would live where the FOOD IS! YOU LIVE IN A DESERT!! UNDERSTAND THAT? YOU LIVE IN A loving DESERT!! NOTHING GROWS HERE! NOTHING’S GONNA GROW HERE! Come here, you see this? This is sand. You know what it’s gonna be 100 years from now? IT’S GONNA BE SAND!! YOU LIVE IN A loving DESERT! We have deserts in America, we just don’t LIVE in them, assholes!” Now, not all comedy of that era was like this (for every Diceman or Kinison there was a Robin Williams or Stephen Wright), but a lot of people became very famous and very rich by punching down at some of the weakest and most vulnerable people on the planet (AIDS victims, LOL!). It's not the case that comedy that punches down doesn't work.
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FMguru posted:There was a time not long ago when the biggest, most successful comedians all punched down. In the 1980s and 1990s, you had Eddie Murphy, Sam Kinison, Andrew "Dice" Clay, and Howard Stern amassing giant audiences and paychecks from material that was massively misogynistic and homophobic and racist. He said good comedy.
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FlamingLiberal posted:It's weird that King of the Hill is relatively nuanced, because the project Mike Judge made after that was The Goode Family, which was a lovely skewering of a family in Portland or something which had a lot of very stale jokes about West Coast liberals I don't have citations at the moment but from what I understand other writers on King Of The Hill reined in some of that and gave the show more heart, it was a collaborative effort that turned out really well. The Goode Family was unrestrained Judge.
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Burning_Monk posted:He said good comedy. Yeah. Eddie mostly punched upward but had his moments punching down. The rest of those suck.
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Jaxyon posted:Yeah. Eddie mostly punched upward but had his moments punching down. The interesting question is why punching down comedy stopped working sometime around 2000, and why explicitly conservative standup comics and comedy movies have fared so badly in the mainstream since then. I suspect the rise of the right-wing hate media means that conservatives can now get their lizard brains tickled without having it filtered through a comedy routine. If you want to see trans people belittled and hated, you don't need to sit through some guy on stage doing a routine about "what is the deal with these trans people?", you can get it straight from Libs Of TikTok or Tucker Carlson and bypass all that faffing around. You don't have to listen to Steven Crowder tell jokes about Anthony Fauci for 20 minutes, you can get on Facebook or Twitter (or Gab or Parler or Truth or w/e) and subject yourself to an endless stream of people screaming for Dr. Fauci to be arrested, tried, and executed.
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FMguru posted:They were very successful though: big audiences, gold albums, awards (Murphy and Kinsion both got Grammys for their albums), giant piles of money. They were a huge part of the pop culture landscape in the 80s and 90s. Punching down still works, it's just not good comedy. Look at the Tennessee cop scandal. You got a bunch of conservative AND leftist men making endless memes about the only woman involved in the scandal because they're misogynists. They love it. They keep doing it.
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Ah yes, Brexit cannot fail, it can only be failed
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Who could have guessed that an enormously complicated and ill-advised separation from an international body the state has been entwined with for decades would fail if handed over to a party dominated by out of touch toffs, grandstanding drunks, racist morons, and their various toadies and lickspittles?!
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A few days ago I caught a Fox guy ranting about Biden’s documents, and they’ve discovered “Every accusation is projection,” so that’s going to be fun going forward.
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Chuds have a new thing to be worked up about https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1615963539616813056?t=dPghRNwy5z0dxE3wakA_Eg&s=19
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VitalSigns posted:I don't have citations at the moment but from what I understand other writers on King Of The Hill reined in some of that and gave the show more heart, it was a collaborative effort that turned out really well. Yeah there are King of the Hill episodes that just adopt the right-wing framing of the world as reality and go from there. The only leftists that exist in the show are portrayed as lazy hippies who are too dependent and also cruel.
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Panfilo posted:Chuds have a new thing to be worked up about How are they gonna prove the person is cis or trans? Or male/female/nonbinary for that matter. Is this just a backdoor way of obtaining our DNA so Zuck can build his clone army?
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Youth Decay posted:How are they gonna prove the person is cis or trans? Or male/female/nonbinary for that matter. I assume they just go off of the gender you set in your profile. If female, then censor, if not female, then no censor, or something like that.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Just let all of the tits free 
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Heres what actually happened https://twitter.com/OversightBoard/status/1615333241501745154 https://twitter.com/OversightBoard/status/1615333400843264001
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Can't wait for the outrage over woke titties on Fox now, maybe that can be their new "look at all these immoral spring break sluts!  " section even.
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bobjr posted:https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1615937367432466435?s=46&t=aGiLfCT3CXRxvTQz1i2S2A I highly recommend people watch this entire video response from the Daily Wire CEO. It's clear the guy is one of those meticulous, detail-obsessed personality types, so it ends up being a complete and total barefaced honest look into the Rightwing Media Machine. The whole RWM Ecosystem is basically just a massive Hollywood production. https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1615939424612655104 -Blackadder- fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Jan 19, 2023 |
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Kale posted:Is it me or is the American Far Right in the middle of a drive to co-opt the term misinformation and turn it into another "free speech" type thing. They don't seem to be doing it as part of a coordinated effort, but there are definitely RWM hosts that are doing this. I've heard two RWM radio hosts defending misinformation as the real true accurate information that they don't want you to know. The example used was of course the covid stuff, where the host said the elites are mad because they lied about covid and brave truth telling patriots went on Youtube and on the radio and on Newsmax to expose the truth the elites were trying to hide. Therefore the elites are classifying the stuff they don't want you to know as "misinformation" to try and censor it and keep true American patriots in the dark.
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Zwabu posted:And I wouldn’t even include Dinesh in this category, his stuff are specifically political propaganda pseudo documentaries without any other purpose like being a comedy or family film etc. Part of the problem with Dinesh and conservative "documentaries" is that they seem to think that what Dinesh does is just like MIchael Moore or Sofia Coppola and I don't think that's true at all. It's similar to how they view FOX News and how they consider it the exact same thing the liberal MSM, CNN or MSNBC does only from "the other side". I'm almost prepared to admit that MSNBC actually HAS become the liberal/left/whatever boogieman that FOX viewers always painted it as but, by and large, the examples I listed up there in my previous paragraph are NOT great examples of balance or both sides being the same. BUt conservatives think they are. "My news", having Drudge set as your home page and so forth. You don't have to like Michael Moore's films to know that there's a world of difference between what he does compared to Dinesh and most leftists I know call bullshit when Moore throws it out there. WE're not shy about criticizing him. People like me and the friends I have don't mainline this poo poo the way most conservative Republicans I know do.
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BiggerBoat posted:I'm almost prepared to admit that MSNBC actually HAS become the liberal/left/whatever boogieman that FOX viewers always painted it as I mean, sure, MSNBC is liberal propaganda, and sometimes embarrassingly so. Doesn't mean it's equivalent to right-wing networks. It's the same way that right-wingers tended to get banned on social media more because they were more likely to post hate speech, actionable misinformation and violent threats. Both sides are not the same, no matter how much the smartest Matty Glesias in the room would like to tell us.
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Panfilo posted:https://twitter.com/MeghanEMurphy/status/1615467889548759040?t=WpUBHaBXaL0df-FQsuiQlg&s=19 found out why that's the case: https://twitter.com/MeghanEMurphy/status/1615493162126159874 problem solved!
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While MSNBC is certainly biased so far that they'll laugh on camera at RW stupidity in the midst of reporting the news, you can generally accept that what they are saying is fairly true. Where outlets like Fox and Newsmax will use partial truths or just outright lies. They also will report a lot of small but important stuff others gloss over, like those NM Democrats homes that were getting shot up, they were reporting it when it first started in like Nov, where I never heard about it from anyone else until the guy was caught. But then I really only tend to watch stuff from Rachael Maddow, Chris Hayes and Ari Melber from there.
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OgNar posted:While MSNBC is certainly biased so far that they'll laugh on camera at RW stupidity in the midst of reporting the news, you can generally accept that what they are saying is fairly true. Maddow, Hayes, and Melber are good. Alex Wagner's slowly proving herself a worthy successor to Maddow's mostly vacant throne. Lawrence O'Donnell does good work with his charity involvements like the KIND Fund, and is fairly entertaining to listen to as a media personality and a good breaking news anchor, but lol if you actually tune in to him to try and learn anything about the state of the world or anything.
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I still remember the King of the Hill episodes where Hank is upset because George W Bush has a lovely handshake and Jimmy Carter saves his family for Christmas. It really was a weird show but it was pretty good.
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Tesseraction posted:I mean, sure, MSNBC is liberal propaganda, and sometimes embarrassingly so. Doesn't mean it's equivalent to right-wing networks. It's the same way that right-wingers tended to get banned on social media more because they were more likely to post hate speech, actionable misinformation and violent threats. Both sides are not the same, no matter how much the smartest Matty Glesias in the room would like to tell us. Yeah I didn't mean they were equivalent so let me clarify that. I meant more that I don't take MSNBC all that seriously for the reasons you mentioned and that it's become a bit of a joke. I think my problem is, to the extent that I have one, I don't really enjoy news delivered to me with an obvious...angle I guess. I agree that MSNBC can largely be counted on to report true things but, unlike consumers of RWM, I can live without the "showiness" aspect of things that's built to drive ratings, if that makes any sense. Obermann, etc. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 03:49 on Jan 20, 2023 |
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:I still remember the King of the Hill episodes where Hank is upset because George W Bush has a lovely handshake and Jimmy Carter saves his family for Christmas. Hell, I remember that Simpsons episode where George HW Bush moves in next door to Homer and the whole episode is just a prolonged act of revenge for that time Poppy Bush said he wanted Americans to be more like the Jetsons and less like the Simpsons. Also it was so early in history at that point that George W. Bush was referred to as "George Bush Jr." in it.
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nine-gear crow posted:Hell, I remember that Simpsons episode where George HW Bush moves in next door to Homer and the whole episode is just a prolonged act of revenge for that time Poppy Bush said he wanted Americans to be more like the Jetsons and less like the Simpsons. Also it was so early in history at that point that George W. Bush was referred to as "George Bush Jr." in it. Still one of their greatest episodes. I was thinking earlier today about the scene where Marge and Barbara are surprised that George Bush and Homer don't get along, and Barbara's theory is "They're just too much alike; the same thing happened with him and Manuel Noriega."
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nine-gear crow posted:Hell, I remember that Simpsons episode where George HW Bush moves in next door to Homer and the whole episode is just a prolonged act of revenge for that time Poppy Bush said he wanted Americans to be more like the Jetsons and less like the Simpsons. Also it was so early in history at that point that George W. Bush was referred to as "George Bush Jr." in it. Actually it was impossibly less cool than that… he said “more like the Waltons” not the Jetsons. He was a schmuck.
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FMguru posted:There was a time not long ago when the biggest, most successful comedians all punched down. In the 1980s and 1990s, you had Eddie Murphy, Sam Kinison, Andrew "Dice" Clay, and Howard Stern amassing giant audiences and paychecks from material that was massively misogynistic and homophobic and racist. I remember that Sam Kinison bit and I remember finding it funny, and I remember the reason I found it funny was that I presumed that he was doing an act. I wasn't laughing at starving Ethiopians, I was laughing at this character who had such a short fuse he'd turn into a screaming lunatic before he could think things through too deeply and did outrageous things as a result. If it turns out Sam Kinison actually WAS, in fact, a legit screaming lunatic then I admit that makes him a lot less funny in hindsight, but in the moment I didn't see it as punching down because I didn't think the famine sufferers were the real target.
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I don't recall Kinison ever putting another angle on that bit. He was pretty much a screaming edge lord on stage at all times. He did punch up at religion since he was a recovered fundamentalist, and he hit a lot of other topics. But the Ethiopian famine bit, his rants about his ex, all of those were being played as you saw them. But we still have Tosh and Anthony Jeselnik to carry on that role, but Jeselnik plays it so over the top that it's fairly clear he's doing it with a wink and a nod.
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King of the hill is very funny and clever, but rarely its caricatures do rub me the wrong way. However, it does go both ways, like a hippy/"leftist" character might be judged initially by hank on superficial merits but also just be a jerk (or be redeemed and skewer that stereotype). Hiplies and liberal can be shitheads too. It usually goes hand in hand with hanks repressed up-tight upbringing contrasted with his consistent (usually successful) desire to be a decent guy.
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We still talking about Frasier? https://twitter.com/joechoui/status/1582419562242273290?t=_Pi4bdXurrwKQ4W_zWJicQ&s=19 Maslovo fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Jan 20, 2023 |
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Maslovo posted:We still talking about Frasier? Im always talking about Frasier.
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BRJurgis posted:King of the hill is very funny and clever, but rarely its caricatures do rub me the wrong way. However, it does go both ways, like a hippy/"leftist" character might be judged initially by hank on superficial merits but also just be a jerk (or be redeemed and skewer that stereotype). Hiplies and liberal can be shitheads too. It usually goes hand in hand with hanks repressed up-tight upbringing contrasted with his consistent (usually successful) desire to be a decent guy.  to the point of alienating Hank in spite of him looking up to them. Dale is also seen with contempt even though a lot of his zaniness has gotten much more mainstream in right wing circles. There's also subjects like dealing with the fact that Peggy had a sex partner before she married Hank, and how they enjoy Halloween in spite of their church being against it.
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Maslovo posted:We still talking about Frasier? I don't get it. Was it supposed to be funny or topical about something?
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nine-gear crow posted:Maddow, Hayes, and Melber are good. Melber would be a lot better if he dropped the smugly and monotonously reciting rap lyrics schtick. UwUnabomber posted:Im always talking about Frasier.
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PeterWeller posted:Melber would be a lot better if he dropped the smugly and monotonously reciting rap lyrics schtick. Unfortunately that is his Brand now, and telling him to stop will only make him do it harder.
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