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Hirez posted:What is the best little person match? I assume they're professional about it down in Mexico instead of them being a Vince joke, but I don't really know Probably not the best, but WeeLC from the Extreme Rules 2014 preshow is really really fun.
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Hirez posted:What is the best little person match? I assume they're professional about it down in Mexico instead of them being a Vince joke, but I don't really know Mije & Zacarias vs. Gallito & Microman from Children's Day 2017 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=live?ZlhRuCWOSgA&t=4489s This is Microman's debut match and it sold out Arena Mexico. It's awesome. There might be a better Microman match but it's hard to think of a specific one when this stands out so much.
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Link wasn't working for me so here's a fixed link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlhRuCWOSgA&t=4489s
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Definitely a Microman fan now I want him to wrestle Marko Stunt so Marko can work Big Show's style just once
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Why does Yuji Nagata roll his eyes up when putting someone in the Nagata Lock? It feels like a heel move that he kept doing even as a babyface, but it rules so hard
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Why did The Nasty Boys shave their armpits? The pit stop move would have been much grosser and nasty if they had armpit hair.
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Lily Catts posted:Why does Yuji Nagata roll his eyes up when putting someone in the Nagata Lock? It feels like a heel move that he kept doing even as a babyface, but it rules so hard I think you answered your own question
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Hirez posted:What is the best little person match? I assume they're professional about it down in Mexico instead of them being a Vince joke, but I don't really know I remember weeLC being fun.
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Hirez posted:What is the best little person match? I assume they're professional about it down in Mexico instead of them being a Vince joke, but I don't really know https://youtu.be/PDNo-t4reK4 wild stuff in here
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Dr. Quarex posted:Definitely a Microman fan now There is a non-zero chance if you tweet this at Court Bauer he will book it.
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fez_machine posted:Link wasn't working for me so here's a fixed link Who's this dude in the colorful suit with the pig mask? He's dope.
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Is Kaito Kiyamiya a geek/ not liked by the booker?
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MassRafTer posted:There is a non-zero chance if you tweet this at Court Bauer he will book it.
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TV Zombie posted:Is Kaito Kiyamiya a geek/ not liked by the booker? NOAH's strategy of late has been to maximise returns by foregrounding Muto and a few other stars of yesteryear/NJPW at the cost of the promotion's younger talent. I guess the hope is that they can: 1. Get their young talent in front of enough eyes that they catch on 2. Build up enough of a war chest that they can survive the downturn when they switch to full push of the young guys A risky strategy for a company that has already the suffered the most famous consequence of the AJPW curse of not really building young talent, when Misawa had to return to the ring because nobody else could draw a crowd Generation switches are infamously hard to get right in any wrestling company and NOAH is kind of botching it in my eyes
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There's no point getting eyes on your young guys if you then proceed to have then get punked out by old men whose knees basically don't exist anymore. This should seem obvious. Why, if you're watching the show to see Mutoh would you come back next time to see a Mutoh-less show when all the NOAH home team guys look like wimps, men in their athletic primes losing to their broken down dad? Cyberfight have done a lot of good, the production is world class, but Jesus loving Christ appointing any of Mutoh's hangers on as booker was moronic. Not least because they are all carnie as hell and have proven to be more than willing to plunder in the short-term by bringing in all their buddies at the expense of any future worries. It's like a plague of locusts ransacking one field before moving on to the next, never concerning themselves with the destruction left behind.
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What are the defining Usos vs New Day matches? They're five really talented wrestlers but because it's WWE, their matches have all blended into one big haze over the years.
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Kosmo Gallion posted:What are the defining Usos vs New Day matches? They're five really talented wrestlers but because it's WWE, their matches have all blended into one big haze over the years. Going just by the cm reviews, there's three (or 4 if you include the ladder match) that are pretty clearly above the others:  01.01.2022 was another WON **** match.
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TV Zombie posted:Is Kaito Kiyamiya a geek/ not liked by the booker? It took him four tries to beat a broken down Keiji Mutoh, and even then Mutoh gave a verbal submission rather than tap out. So yeah, total geek
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Lily Catts posted:Why does Yuji Nagata roll his eyes up when putting someone in the Nagata Lock? It feels like a heel move that he kept doing even as a babyface, but it rules so hard I don't 100% know the full context behind the spot, but the Japanese commentators call it the "White Eyed God" so I think the bit is he's being possessed by a holy spirit.
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fez_machine posted:Generation switches are infamously hard to get right in any wrestling company and NOAH is kind of botching it in my eyes am I mis-remembering or did NOAH have problems deciding to pull the trigger on (at different times) KENTA and Marufuji back in the day, too?
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Feb 28, 2023 14:31
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Misawa died in the ring for a reason lol
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While he wasn't the guy just look at NOAH's handling of Riki-oh's title run to see how they botched young guys push in the day. Not only was his first defense a slow plodding mess against a guy with not a lot of credibility his second defense was on the dome with Misawa/Kawada and Kobashi/Sasaki which sure as hell made him look not like the top guy
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Wasn't he the guy who, despite being GHC, went on before Misawa and Kobashi? It's like CM Punk in WWE all over again smdh
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Feb 28, 2023 15:40
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Third from the top against a young Hiroshi Tanahashi
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harperdc posted:am I mis-remembering or did NOAH have problems deciding to pull the trigger on (at different times) KENTA and Marufuji back in the day, too? They hit the ground running with an elevation of Jun Akiyama on their first couple of shows, but then you look at their first GHC HW champs: Misawa, Akiyama, Ogawa, Takayama, Misawa, Kobashi. And then they have Kenta Kobashi's all-timer title reign end at the hands of Takeshi Rikio, part of the younger generation of guys, his debut was in 2000. But he wasn't really ready to be that guy to end a 2 year title reign by a living legend & then carry the ball, the fans were not sold on Rikio & he didn't have the charisma or the ability to turn them around, though I'm not sure the booking really helped: his first match was against perpetual JAG Akitoshi Saito & he didn't go well. His next defence (against Tanahashi) was the 4th from top of a Tokyo Dome headlined by Misawa vs Kawada in their first match since the All Japan/NOAH split, and also behind the greatest match of all time (according to me) Kenta Kobashi vs Kensuke Sasaki & somehow Ogawa vs Genichiro Tenryu. Earlier on the card also had great GHC Tag & GHC Jr matches too. And this is a Tanahashi that's only held the IWGP U-30 title to this point. He got to headline at the Budokan again, this time against Misawa in a match that has 1 review on Cagematch, compared to 25 votes on KENTA vs SUWA, but this is his best defence. But by this point you're 6 months in to the reign and the crowd just do not care. If you watch it, it's that stereotype of Japanese wrestling fans being politely quiet, rather than absolutely ravenous like you'd actually expect for a NOAH Budokan show main event. And then he drops the belt to Taue. At least the crowd are hot for this one, but it's only because they want Taue to take the belt off this geek. Next young guy to get a go is Marufuji, he wins the belt from Akiyama with a cradle because they are still treating him like a Junior I guess. His 1st defence was actually in NYC against Nigel McGuinness, it's really good. There's a great match with KENTA at the Budokan & then in his 1st match against a NOAH Heavyweight he loses to Misawa. Marufuji doesn't get another chance with the title until 2014 somehow. So you've got Akiyama's 2 runs being ended up Junior Heavyweights, which hurts at this point, a lot. You have those guys treated as Junior Heavyweights even as they hold the top belt. They tried with Rikio but I don't think they did with Marufuji. Why didn't they go with Morishima instead of Rikio? Why didn't they at least have Marfuji beat someone in the Heavyweight division before giving up? Man, I don't know. I suspect Misawa is under a lot of stress at this point: NOAH is the biggest wrestling company in Japan at this point but it's still a small business. Obviously they do great business in Tokyo beaten Ariake Coliseum & the Budokan but they tour the country, and in those smaller towns in the northern Japan or in Kyushu or what have you, people are buying their ticket to see Mitsuhara Misawa. Which is why he never takes time off to let his body heal & is probably why he died young. And so when Budokan shows stop being Super No Vacancy Sellouts he starts to panic & sticks the belt on himself, he doesn't feel like he has the time to condition fans to accept Juniors on the same level as the Heavyweights, or to let Marufuji establish himself. By the time KENTA gets his first GHC HW Title win it's 2013. Misawa is dead, Kobashi has effectively retired (Final Burning happens during his title reign), Akiyama has returned to All Japan & taken Go Shiozaki, Atsushi Aoki, Kotaro Suzuki & Yoshinobu Kanemaru with him in protest at the way Kobashi was released from his contract, rather than being kept on in a backstage role because it's loving Kenta Kobashi, Taue is Chairman & also retires during that run. After he dropped the belt he was off to the WWE, & they'd missed their window. What it comes down to...Well you can look on Cagematch. Misawa had 53 singles matches in NOAH, his first loss was a year into the company, when he dropped the belt to Akiyama. Then when he dropped the top title to Kobashi in March 2003. His 3rd singles loss was to Takeshi Rikio in 2005, & his 4th singles loss is to Morishima in 2008. At the end of 2008 he loses a match to Takashi Sugiura where Sugiura doesn't actually pin him, it goes 10 minutes & then to the judges. That's it. There's a couple of draws in there too, but even they are to Akiyama & Kobashi. Kobashi has 2 losses in 44 matches, to Akiyama on the 2nd ever NOAH show & to Rikio. The other pillar, Taue, isn't as protected, but he lost a lot more after Misawa's death than before it. Ultimately I just think that Misawa was too conservative a booker, which is funny considering part of the reason he fell out with Mrs Baba was he wanted to break away from her husband's isolationist booking policy & work with other companies. The top guys were too protected as they got older. Which should mean that Rikio's wins over them meant something, but instead people were just kinda pissed off that this guy was being shoved down their throats that they didn't feel should be in that position. The other thing is that NOAH didn't have round-robin tournaments until right at the end of Misawa's time in charge, Nippon TV Jr Tag League start in 2007, Global Tag League began in 2008, Global Junior HW League in 2009 & then the first Heavyweight round robin tournament didn't begin until 2010. These are obviously gruelling on the body but guys can get big wins in singles matches to elevate them! This is something Baba did so well in the Champion Carnival. That's too many words on the topic probably. And other people beat me to the points I was trying to make but did it much more succinctly.
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It annoys me because you could build an entire company around Nakajima, Kenoh, Kiyomiya, and Inamura. The crowd want to react to them. But Noah look at them not as superstars but as guys to make Fujita look good.
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Lamuella posted:It annoys me because you could build an entire company around Nakajima, Kenoh, Kiyomiya, and Inamura. The crowd want to react to them. But Noah look at them not as superstars but as guys to make Fujita look good. Just saw that Kento Miyahara lost the Triple Crown to Yuji Nagata, so is the situation much different in AJPW nowadays? e: vv makes sense tbh! vv Venomous fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Feb 28, 2023 |
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Venomous posted:Just saw that Kento Miyahara lost the Triple Crown to Yuji Nagata, so is the situation much different in AJPW nowadays? eh, nagata didnt really big league kento in the match, where if you watched any of the kiyomiya losses the old guys gave him nothing and even in the wins it was a quick handshake and outta here brother brother.
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Also Miyahara's been the top guy in All Japan for like a decade now.
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Also keep in mind in the 2000's NOAH tv was late night and a half hour so hard to show young guys in matches. And while the new talent could draw okay in Tokyo the smaller towns really just wanted to see All Japan Legends so whelp
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Venomous posted:Just saw that Kento Miyahara lost the Triple Crown to Yuji Nagata, so is the situation much different in AJPW nowadays? A) The match ruled. B) Yuji Nagata is mobile. His knees work. It's the same reason I have no issue with NOAH having Sugiura, Mochizuki or Kojima winning big matches. C) Kaito Kiyomiya is a 26 year old with one pretty good title reign that got better as it went on, Kento Miyahara is the undisputed ace of All Japan, it's 7 years since his first Triple Crown run. The only man to have held the Triple Crown for longer than Kento is Misawa, & Kento will surpass him. Miyahara is about the only reason All Japan draws enough to stay alive. You watch the shows & see the reaction to him coming out for a meaningless 6 man to anyone else on the show. I love the Aoyagi's & Ashino & all the rest but it's not even the same sport, never mind ballpark. And yeah, it's what yea ok says. Kaito got made to look like a sad little guy by Mutoh & the hangers on. Nagata is giving, Sugiura, Mochizuki, Kojima are all giving. Mutoh & friends are slash & burn carnies with no interest in the wellbeing of the business, so long as they get paid today. It's not just age, it's a bunch of things.
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The moment Kojima steps outside of New Japan he generally becomes awesome. Like, he's a fun Wrestle Dad in NJPW, but his team with Sugi in Noah has been amazing, and his match with Moxley in AEW was fantastic.
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Lid posted:Why is it called the powerbomb No one knows?
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Lid posted:No one knows? Probably a big super metroid fan came up with it. No I will not at the chronology of that statement.
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SG Bamboo posted:It took him four tries to beat a broken down Keiji Mutoh, and even then Mutoh gave a verbal submission rather than tap out. I brought up the question because I was listening to a podcast which talked about his Okada match and it gave the impression that the build up to the match and afterwards, that Okada thought Kaito wasn't worth the time. It's Okada but like why would the NOAH booker put their champion in such a difficult position. I'm quoting your post because it reminded me of how after Kaito got the win against Muto, Muto had to be chased down to give some sort of respect to Kaito. I know Kaito's young but at least some begruding respect should be shown to your potential ace, shouldn't it
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Kento/Nagata was competitive from start to finish, yeah. On paper it sounds miserable (also way to pad the wrestlers who've won the Triple Crown, IWGP Heavyweight, and GHC Heavyweight titles amirite), but the match is genuinely great which is what really matters For Okada/Kaito I hope it's just the beginning of an interpromotional feud, otherwise... lol.
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NOAH was probably hoping the angle and build up would help Kaito but whelp, even on a NOAH show fans didn't see him near Okada's level. And while good probably could of used the time to be a proper bug Okada match but not gonna get that on the Muto show lamo
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Lid posted:No one knows? ive been looking for an hour online and all i can say is its Sids fault its called the powerbomb maybe he knows
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I was flipping through youtube and someone was doing a history of the figure four and they had a really old school guy [50's? Maybe] doing a standing figure four to someone. Anyone do that spot these days?
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Suplex Liberace posted:ive been looking for an hour online and all i can say is its Sids fault its called the powerbomb maybe he knows Sid naming the powerbomb is something I would've never guessed and yet seems perfect. Also now we need to ask Sid.
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