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I want to make some shelves for a friend of mine, basically just a board with some nice brackets to secure to the studs in their apartment. I'm thinking three pieces: the shelf board itself, a triangular piece with a dovetail cut into it, and then a third piece that has a dovetail slot in it, and that's screwed to the wall through the slot. I've used this approach in the past; it's nice because the screws are hidden but are easy to access if you need to. The challenge is that I won't know where the studs are until it's time to install, so I'm not sure how to attach the brackets to the board. The simple answer is to screw through the top of the board into the triangular piece. I've done this in the past, and it works, but it's a little aesthetically displeasing. Any suggestions for other approaches I could use?
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Mar 7, 2023 23:21
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You could do whatever and then use drywall/plaster anchors
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Mar 7, 2023 23:39
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You could fasten them with dowels and glue if you don't want it to show. Another alternative would be to counterbore the screws and plug the holes. If you're careful to match the grain, the plugs barely show.
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Mar 7, 2023 23:41
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:I want to make some shelves for a friend of mine, basically just a board with some nice brackets to secure to the studs in their apartment. I'm thinking three pieces: the shelf board itself, a triangular piece with a dovetail cut into it, and then a third piece that has a dovetail slot in it, and that's screwed to the wall through the slot. I've used this approach in the past; it's nice because the screws are hidden but are easy to access if you need to. Studs are almost always going to be 16" on center.
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Mar 7, 2023 23:45
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alnilam posted:You could do whatever and then use drywall/plaster anchors I suppose, but I've never been comfortable relying on anchors for any substantial load. I don't know what they'd plan to store on these shelves, but the goal is to give them more storage options in a small, cramped apartment. Deteriorata posted:You could fasten them with dowels and glue if you don't want it to show. Another alternative would be to counterbore the screws and plug the holes. If you're careful to match the grain, the plugs barely show. Yeah, I suppose this would work. A bit tricky to do in the field (they live 30 miles away), but not impossible. How strong is Titebond in tension, anyway? Stultus Maximus posted:Studs are almost always going to be 16" on center. I'm well aware, but I'm also well aware that any time you rely on this being the case you are nigh-on guaranteed to be wrong.
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Mar 8, 2023 00:17
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Stultus Maximus posted:Studs are almost always going to be 16" on center. Unless your house is old, and then they're just wherever the gently caress they felt like.
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Mar 8, 2023 00:29
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:I suppose, but I've never been comfortable relying on anchors for any substantial load. I don't know what they'd plan to store on these shelves, but the goal is to give them more storage options in a small, cramped apartment. Yeah true, highly depends on how big of a shelf and what they're being used for. Going into studs is definitely best when it works.
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Mar 8, 2023 00:31
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PBCrunch posted:I would like more information about cutting box joints on a long board on a table saw (without wheeling the saw outside so the workpiece doesn't hit the garage ceiling). It sounds like you're picturing cutting box joints on the short edge of a plank, but I said the long edge. E.g. the plank is held horizontally against the fence of your sled. You can also do the short edge, if your plank is reasonably sized, e.g.  And that's also not really doable on the miter saw. This kind of jig works for short or long edges.  It's hard to find many projects where someone did it on the long edge, but here's one: 
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Mar 8, 2023 00:31
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Made a wall trellis out of some mahogany scrap for my Syngonium so I can stop having to trim it constantly. Also needed a dumb little scrap table for it to live on (it's a bit jank but it's mostly hidden by my desk anyway).  Also made this cute boy while I was doing stuffs out of some other scraps. 
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Mar 8, 2023 15:31
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I have carving tools, but wood burning is fun. Tung oil finish on this guy so it's a food-safe tool and about 2 (wobbly) tablespoons. 
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Mar 8, 2023 15:38
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Leperflesh posted:It sounds like you're picturing cutting box joints on the short edge of a plank, but I said the long edge. E.g. the plank is held horizontally against the fence of your sled. I think the question stands though, is there a way to do this for boards so that you're not hitting the ceiling to put them flush on the fence like you have pictured?
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Mar 8, 2023 15:42
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That Works posted:I think the question stands though, is there a way to do this for boards so that you're not hitting the ceiling to put them flush on the fence like you have pictured? how low is the ceiling and/or how long are the boards and/or why are you doing box joints on pieces that long? Like if you're making a coffin or something just use a rebate
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Mar 8, 2023 15:47
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That Works posted:I think the question stands though, is there a way to do this for boards so that you're not hitting the ceiling to put them flush on the fence like you have pictured? Not with a table saw, unless involving herculean effort also. Best move to either handsaw or a router setup. Maybe a jigsaw too hypothetically, since it has a movable base.
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Mar 8, 2023 17:12
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shoutout to all of my subscribers, you guys make this channel possible. in todays video im going to show you how to make an integrated workbench for your table saw with a rotating table saw mount,
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Mar 8, 2023 17:29
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CommonShore posted:how low is the ceiling and/or how long are the boards and/or why are you doing box joints on pieces that long? Like if you're making a coffin or something just use a rebate My own ceiling in my basement shop is probably only about 5-ish feet above the top of the table saw. I'm not doing box joints on them myself, but was curious if there was a solution for that problem if it ever did came up. Just personal curiosity. I do want to make a tablesaw box joint jig but admittedly probably am not gonna use it for giant pieces myself.
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Mar 8, 2023 18:26
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You do it the same way it has been done for hundreds of years, with a hand saw and chis, and that works just fine.
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Mar 8, 2023 18:31
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the ceiling isn't the main reason standing a 5' board on end and passing it through a table saw is a dumb idea. dado blades are great for mass-producing, like, boxes. or drawers. things smaller than a person
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Mar 8, 2023 18:33
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That Works posted:My own ceiling in my basement shop is probably only about 5-ish feet above the top of the table saw. A Wizard of Goatse posted:the ceiling isn't the main reason standing a 5' board on end and passing it through a table saw is a dumb idea. dado blades are great for mass-producing, like, boxes. or drawers. things smaller than a person
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Mar 8, 2023 18:39
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I would do box joint cuts or dovetails with a router if I needed to mass produce it. I'm not super happy about using or mounting a router horizontally in terms of safety but I'd still prefer that over balancing a five foot plank on its short edge and moving it through a dado stack with a sled, lol.
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Mar 8, 2023 18:48
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There is a time to bring the work to the tool and a time to bring the tool to the work, for sure.
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Mar 8, 2023 19:20
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https://i.imgur.com/6fSkorW.mp4  if it's even longer and won't fit between the floor joists, I'll use the slot mortiser to cut box joints instead. Or just use different joinery. Hypnolobster fucked around with this message at 13:03 on Mar 9, 2023 |
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Mar 9, 2023 13:00
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set the blade angle to 45 degrees and then build a jig that holds the work pieces at 45 degrees and you can get another foot or so of length with only a significantly larger amount of danger
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Mar 9, 2023 18:40
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Should've sent a poet
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Mar 9, 2023 19:13
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Hypnolobster posted:https://i.imgur.com/6fSkorW.mp4 Lmao, but of course. Does this thread rule or what. Leperflesh posted:set the blade angle to 45 degrees and then build a jig that holds the work pieces at 45 degrees and you can get another foot or so of length with only a significantly larger amount of danger Needs a certified danger amount assessor in here stat!
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Mar 9, 2023 19:41
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Hypnolobster posted:https://i.imgur.com/6fSkorW.mp4 
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Mar 9, 2023 19:49
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luv 2 go to the log store 
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Mar 11, 2023 03:05
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I'm not a good geoguesser, where is that
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Mar 11, 2023 03:21
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Leperflesh posted:I'm not a good geoguesser, where is that The log store. It was right there in the post.  I used my woodworking skills to plug some headstock holes, route a new bridge pickup hole, and generally not gently caress up this project. It’s in music threads, but it was really only a success due to what I learned and watched here. 4 string bass to really really long guitar.  
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Mar 11, 2023 03:28
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Leperflesh posted:I'm not a good geoguesser, where is that Baltimore? It's the log store
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Mar 11, 2023 03:33
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:luv 2 go to the log store
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Mar 11, 2023 05:07
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Sockington posted:The log store. It was right there in the post. That is.....intriguing. You left the bass pickup in? How does it sound?
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Mar 11, 2023 05:16
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I made a box with wheels and filled it with smaller boxes 
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Mar 11, 2023 19:55
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I built a cherry bedframe. I had built the headboard about five years ago and bolted it to a basic steel frame. I figured it was time to build the rest of the bed. There's a bit of contrast between the headboard and the footboard due to the wood darkening for the past few years, but that should even out with time.  
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Mar 12, 2023 01:43
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Nice work! And yes, the color will even out with time. It always struck me as weird that cherry gets darker when exposed to the sun.
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Mar 12, 2023 01:48
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If wanted to put a piece of t track in MDF, is there specific adhesive I would want use in addition to screws?
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Mar 12, 2023 03:44
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Nice work! I thought it was more oxidation than sun exposure, that would explain the darkening anyway. I think its the same reason purpleheart will turn brown.
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Mar 12, 2023 05:56
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more falafel please posted:I thought it was more oxidation than sun exposure, that would explain the darkening anyway. I think its the same reason purpleheart will turn brown. Cherry darkening accelerates in sun exposure for sure. It could also be some oxidation but light is a big factor. Source: ive seen contrast in pieces partly covered with a cloth blocking the light.
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Mar 12, 2023 12:05
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It's a bit of both, sun definitely makes it quicker and like you said, a coaster or lamp on the table in the sun will leave a spot. However, a cabinet in my windowless bathroom is still darkening, albeit slowly.
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so I'm wanting to build some cedar outdoor furniture. looking around online for inspiration and most of the stuff I'm finding is a bit on the "screw some 2x4s together" side of basic. I'd like to practice some proper joinery so I'm trying to design something myself would it be foolish to expect mortise and tenon, bridle, and cross lap joints to hold up with just some Titebond III on a piece that is going to stay outside year round in an area where temps vary by 100 degrees throughout the year? are there better options for joints that aren't too difficult or glue that I should be considering, or should I just bite the bullet and add some screws? Fellatio del Toro fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Mar 12, 2023 |
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