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tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

ahobday posted:

I'm looking for science fiction that has good moment-to-moment space battles.

Some examples:

Surface detail, from the Culture series, where a particularly high-end battle ship fights several enemy ships at once and narrates the whole thing.
A scene from Andor, the Star Wars TV show, where a ship is caught in a tractor beam and the pilot calmly takes steps to get himself out of the tractor beam, and away.
Leviathan Wakes, from the Expanse series, where a battleship is attacked by several smaller ships and characters are surprised that the battle has gone on for as long as it has.

Basically these scenes are not too flashy, but detailed, and well-told, and I'd like more of that in science fiction books, please.

Edit: In case it comes up, I've read Scott Westerfeld's The Risen Empire. It has a lot of detailed ship to ship combat in it, so I thought someone might mention it.

I think Shards of Earth did this very well and you’d enjoy it.

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FPyat
Jan 17, 2020
I liked the space battles in House of Suns by Alastair Reynolds on that front.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

The Solar War, the first book in the Siege of Terra series, has some good spaceship battles. But it’s mostly extremely large scale fleet engagements.

But of a wildcard since it’s comics not novels, but the Gundam Thunderbolt series has extremely good space combat in a debris field. Well told detailed combat scenes, they do get a bit flashy when the Gundam shows up but even then the focus is on how terrifying it is to face a machine like that.

Edgar Allan Pwned
Apr 4, 2011

Quoth the Raven "I love the power glove. It's so bad..."
looking for:

fantasy/sci fi that is about work/labor/doing a job.

i really like tom holt, he has a story ahout a guy becoming a werewolf as he also maintains his job as a lawyer.

tom holt also has a story about a person finding a link between our world and a fantasy world, and then uses that for financial profit in this world.

an aspect of Adrian Tchaikovskys 'children of time' that i liked was the labor division between spiders, and reading how that evolved with time.

something about the monotony/logistics of living in a society but also magic/creature/non humans

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004
If you like Tom Holt you'll love K J Parker (a lot of his work is focused on professionals being good at their profession)

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Edgar Allan Pwned posted:

looking for:

fantasy/sci fi that is about work/labor/doing a job.

gently caress I can't remember which ones but some of Asimov's "robot" stories.

Kart Barfunkel
Nov 10, 2009


Anybody have suggestions on poetry books that feel ‘black metal’?

I’ve been reading some poetry recently which has been awesome. I’ve been rereading Galway Kinnell’s The Book of Nightmares which shares the vibe I’m looking for.

COPE 27
Sep 11, 2006

Kart Barfunkel posted:

Anybody have suggestions on poetry books that feel ‘black metal’?

I’ve been reading some poetry recently which has been awesome. I’ve been rereading Galway Kinnell’s The Book of Nightmares which shares the vibe I’m looking for.

Rimbaud - A Season in Hell

Kart Barfunkel
Nov 10, 2009


COPE 27 posted:

Rimbaud - A Season in Hell

I actually have this book and read it not too long ago. I’ll give it another spin.

rollick
Mar 20, 2009

Kart Barfunkel posted:

Anybody have suggestions on poetry books that feel ‘black metal’?

I’ve been reading some poetry recently which has been awesome. I’ve been rereading Galway Kinnell’s The Book of Nightmares which shares the vibe I’m looking for.

Gotta be Poe, right?

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

I'm back with another request!

What's the best book to get if I want to read about elves, specifically the Silmarillion / Lord of the Rings type of elves? I don't strictly want urban fantasy elves with guitars, and I don't want fae - I want high fantasy elves.

That said, they can be in space! I've read all of CJ Cherryh's Foreigner series (dark elves in spaaace), and I've enjoyed some of the Drizzt stuff. (His origin trilogy is great) So any elf will do, as long as they're, y'know, fancy and better than us and ethereal and poo poo.

Other books in this vein I'm looking at (but haven't read yet): Gav Thorpe's Path of the X (Warhammer 40k Eldar trilogy), that Starcraft Protoss trilogy.

magic cactus
Aug 3, 2019

We lied. We are not at war. There is no enemy. This is a rescue operation.

Kart Barfunkel posted:

Anybody have suggestions on poetry books that feel ‘black metal’?

I’ve been reading some poetry recently which has been awesome. I’ve been rereading Galway Kinnell’s The Book of Nightmares which shares the vibe I’m looking for.

Georg Trakl might work, Jut Gyte did an arrangement of one of his poems on the E.P. Helion named for his poem of the same name. Some symbolist stuff might fit. Baudelaire's the flower's of evil. Seconding a Season in Hell.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

StrixNebulosa posted:

I'm back with another request!

What's the best book to get if I want to read about elves, specifically the Silmarillion / Lord of the Rings type of elves? I don't strictly want urban fantasy elves with guitars, and I don't want fae - I want high fantasy elves.

That said, they can be in space! I've read all of CJ Cherryh's Foreigner series (dark elves in spaaace), and I've enjoyed some of the Drizzt stuff. (His origin trilogy is great) So any elf will do, as long as they're, y'know, fancy and better than us and ethereal and poo poo.

Other books in this vein I'm looking at (but haven't read yet): Gav Thorpe's Path of the X (Warhammer 40k Eldar trilogy), that Starcraft Protoss trilogy.

Path of the Eldar would probably be up your alley. Classic haughty better than you elves, they're very boring. But I gotta recommend Path of the Dark Eldar. Also classic haughty, better than you elves, but they're evil backstabbing elves, with different evil subfactions and an evil city full of evil secrets. Even I, a person who typically finds elves very boring, really got into those evil elves and their evil centuries-long schemes.

wheatpuppy
Apr 25, 2008

YOU HAVE MY POST!

StrixNebulosa posted:

I'm back with another request!

What's the best book to get if I want to read about elves, specifically the Silmarillion / Lord of the Rings type of elves? I don't strictly want urban fantasy elves with guitars, and I don't want fae - I want high fantasy elves.

That said, they can be in space! I've read all of CJ Cherryh's Foreigner series (dark elves in spaaace), and I've enjoyed some of the Drizzt stuff. (His origin trilogy is great) So any elf will do, as long as they're, y'know, fancy and better than us and ethereal and poo poo.

Other books in this vein I'm looking at (but haven't read yet): Gav Thorpe's Path of the X (Warhammer 40k Eldar trilogy), that Starcraft Protoss trilogy.

Tad Williams's Dragonbone Chair series might scratch that itch for you.

Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo
I'll always endorse Tad Williams

You could check out The Goblin Emperor. A half goblin half elf thrust into court drama. I'd suggest reading the first chapter excerpt on Amazon as some people find the dialogue irritating

Kart Barfunkel
Nov 10, 2009


Has anybody read Heat 2? Would you recommend it? Seems like the coolest book ever to be caught reading.

Franchescanado
Feb 23, 2013

If it wasn't for disappointment
I wouldn't have any appointment

Grimey Drawer

Kart Barfunkel posted:

Has anybody read Heat 2? Would you recommend it? Seems like the coolest book ever to be caught reading.

I have not personally, but enough people I trust say it’s a great follow up to the movie and it’s solidly written.

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

Hi there thread.

I'm basically looking for more sci fi in the same vein as Anne Leckie or Becky Chambers. I love the Wayfarer series, the Imperial Radch trilogy, and I'm currently re-reading Provenance for I think the third time. Basically, I'd love to read more of the same, only Leckie has apparently switched from sci fi to fantasy and Chambers isn't writing more Wayfarer.

I think what I like most about those books is their convincing, matter-of-fact depictions of entirely made-up cultures, particularly because they're incidental to the main thrust of the books. They're also not depressing dystopias, or at least the elements of the books that do feature dystopias have the heroes defeating or escaping them.

I guess, at a stretch, similar works I like might be Iain Banks? If you take out the torture porn he felt compelled to shove into all his books, and the tiresome "male protagonist gets the girl" that kept happening?

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound
The closest thing I'm aware of to Becky Chamber's "cozy" sf is the Ethshar books, but those are 1) fantasy 2) written in the 80's and 90's so have aged poorly in a few places and aren't quite as cozy for all readers as more modern stuff might be.

stealie72
Jan 10, 2007
While we're on SciFi, what's the next thing to read after absolutely loving the Forever Wars trilogy, thoroughly enjoying Steakley's Armor, and repeatedly trying to read Heinlein and not digging it at all?

I tried reading Niven's ringworld, which seems to be the logical answer to this question, and bounced pretty hard off of it because of the male fantasy fulfillment self-insert main character and what I felt was childish alien races.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

stealie72 posted:

While we're on SciFi, what's the next thing to read after absolutely loving the Forever Wars trilogy, thoroughly enjoying Steakley's Armor, and repeatedly trying to read Heinlein and not digging it at all?

I tried reading Niven's ringworld, which seems to be the logical answer to this question, and bounced pretty hard off of it because of the male fantasy fulfillment self-insert main character and what I felt was childish alien races.

Scalzi's Old Man's War series is your next stopping point. First book is very good then they taper off; stop reading when you lose interest they don't get better, though some of Scalzi's other stuff is also quite good.

Heinlein is highly variable because he was kinda insane. Was the specific Heinlein you read Starship Troopers or something else?

stealie72
Jan 10, 2007

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Scalzi's Old Man's War series is your next stopping point. First book is very good then they taper off; stop reading when you lose interest they don't get better, though some of Scalzi's other stuff is also quite good.

Heinlein is highly variable because he was kinda insane. Was the specific Heinlein you read Starship Troopers or something else?
Oh crap, should have mentioned that I read and really enjoyed several of the Old Man's War books and tapered off exactly as predicted. Any other Scalzi in particular stand out?

As for Heinlein, I've tried starship troopers and finished it out of little more than obligation, then Stranger in a Strange land, which I just found dense, and The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, which I didn't get too far into because I kept hearing a unreleased Rush B-side from their hardcore Randian period playing in my head and it was distracting.

I've also read a couple of the Riverworld series and enjoyed them well enough, but didn't love them.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

stealie72 posted:

Oh crap, should have mentioned that I read and really enjoyed several of the Old Man's War books and tapered off exactly as predicted. Any other Scalzi in particular stand out?

As for Heinlein, I've tried starship troopers and finished it out of little more than obligation, then Stranger in a Strange land, which I just found dense, and The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, which I didn't get too far into because I kept hearing a unreleased Rush B-side from their hardcore Randian period playing in my head and it was distracting.

I've also read a couple of the Riverworld series and enjoyed them well enough, but didn't love them.

Have you tried Dick?

stealie72
Jan 10, 2007

Gripweed posted:

Have you tried Dick?
[insert some joke or another here]
Haven't, really. What's a good start? Does Blade Runner make Electric Sheep a good entry point?

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

stealie72 posted:

[insert some joke or another here]
Haven't, really. What's a good start? Does Blade Runner make Electric Sheep a good entry point?

I have not read Electric Sheep so I can't speak to that, but in general you can't really go wrong with the hits. Scanner Darkly and Man in the High Castle are both classics for a reason. So I assume you'd be safe with Electric Sheep. Since you are coming at it from a more standard sci-fi angle, maybe some of his less weird books like We can Build You or The Zap Gun might be a better entry point. I personally loving love The Zap Gun, I think it's a seriously underrated book. It's hard to go wrong with Dick.

The only thing I'd actually warn you off starting with is the Valis Trilogy. hold off on those until you've gotten a few other Dicks under your belt.

stealie72
Jan 10, 2007

Gripweed posted:

I have not read Electric Sheep so I can't speak to that, but in general you can't really go wrong with the hits. Scanner Darkly and Man in the High Castle are both classics for a reason. So I assume you'd be safe with Electric Sheep. Since you are coming at it from a more standard sci-fi angle, maybe some of his less weird books like We can Build You or The Zap Gun might be a better entry point. I personally loving love The Zap Gun, I think it's a seriously underrated book. It's hard to go wrong with Dick.

The only thing I'd actually warn you off starting with is the Valis Trilogy. hold off on those until you've gotten a few other Dicks under your belt.
I appreciate the warning about not getting too much deep Dick until I've got a little more experience with some of the more accessible Dick out there.

I think I have A Scanner Darkly on DVD (from the $1 bin at the pawn shop) and have never watched it, so that's a good excuse to read the book and watch it.

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

Hyperlynx posted:

Hi there thread.

I'm basically looking for more sci fi in the same vein as Anne Leckie or Becky Chambers. I love the Wayfarer series, the Imperial Radch trilogy, and I'm currently re-reading Provenance for I think the third time. Basically, I'd love to read more of the same, only Leckie has apparently switched from sci fi to fantasy and Chambers isn't writing more Wayfarer.

I think what I like most about those books is their convincing, matter-of-fact depictions of entirely made-up cultures, particularly because they're incidental to the main thrust of the books. They're also not depressing dystopias, or at least the elements of the books that do feature dystopias have the heroes defeating or escaping them.

I guess, at a stretch, similar works I like might be Iain Banks? If you take out the torture porn he felt compelled to shove into all his books, and the tiresome "male protagonist gets the girl" that kept happening?

I’d recommend Shards of Earth over anything written by Scalzi, but people do like those books!

FPyat
Jan 17, 2020
Is there anything to read if I'm feeling nostalgic for The Blues Brothers/Smokey and the Bandit/shows like Magnum PI? Car chases are not necessary.

yaffle
Sep 15, 2002

Flapdoodle

FPyat posted:

Is there anything to read if I'm feeling nostalgic for The Blues Brothers/Smokey and the Bandit/shows like Magnum PI? Car chases are not necessary.

Funny US based crime stuff with non-cop protagonists? Carl Hiaasen. Maybe Elmore Leonard.

FPyat
Jan 17, 2020
Hiaasen's YA fiction was a constant presence in my childhood so I guess I'll try his adult works.

Franchescanado
Feb 23, 2013

If it wasn't for disappointment
I wouldn't have any appointment

Grimey Drawer

FPyat posted:

Is there anything to read if I'm feeling nostalgic for The Blues Brothers/Smokey and the Bandit/shows like Magnum PI? Car chases are not necessary.

Cadillac Jack by Larry McMurtry. Charles Willeford's Hoke Mosely books. Maybe some Charles Portis, like Norwood or The Dog of the South.

stealie72
Jan 10, 2007

Franchescanado posted:

Cadillac Jack by Larry McMurtry.
As a former DC resident, this was a very fun read. And not thematically what you're looking for but his Last Picture Show is a great read. And a good movie too.

yaffle posted:

Carl Hiaasen.
Also seconding. Started reading his stuff from a way back recommendation from this thread (I believe it was for things like Irvine Welsh's Marabou Stork Nightmare)

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

yaffle posted:

Funny US based crime stuff with non-cop protagonists? Carl Hiaasen. Maybe Elmore Leonard.

Donald Westlake, too. Maybe Lawrence Block's Bernie Rhodenbarr books.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

I liked Kinky Friedman's mystery books when I was a kid. I 100% do not want to check if they hold up

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

Selachian posted:

Donald Westlake, too.

Donald Westlake's the king (although he's funnier when he's meaner writing as Richard Stark and his non-comedy books, The Ax is very funny for example)

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

FPyat posted:

Is there anything to read if I'm feeling nostalgic for The Blues Brothers/Smokey and the Bandit/shows like Magnum PI? Car chases are not necessary.

Oh this is a good question. That seventies vibe? Maybe the early Travis McGee books. Set in Florida

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

FPyat posted:

Is there anything to read if I'm feeling nostalgic for The Blues Brothers/Smokey and the Bandit/shows like Magnum PI? Car chases are not necessary.

Well,

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!
Can anyone tell me if Annalee Newitz's The Terraformers gets good? I really liked their Autonomous and Four Lost Cities, but the characters in Terraformers just aren't grabbing me. The characters feel like plastic people with the interesting bits shaved off, but I could stick with it if its just positioning folks to get somewhere good. I'm about 1/3 of the way through now.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

Terra Formars does the same concept better, imo

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nerdpony
May 1, 2007

Apparently I was supposed to put something here.
Fun Shoe

Edgar Allan Pwned posted:

looking for:

fantasy/sci fi that is about work/labor/doing a job.

i really like tom holt, he has a story ahout a guy becoming a werewolf as he also maintains his job as a lawyer.

tom holt also has a story about a person finding a link between our world and a fantasy world, and then uses that for financial profit in this world.

an aspect of Adrian Tchaikovskys 'children of time' that i liked was the labor division between spiders, and reading how that evolved with time.

something about the monotony/logistics of living in a society but also magic/creature/non humans

Have you tried the Murderbot series by Martha Wells? Lots of doing a job in there (and I enjoy them)

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