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shyduck posted:https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1634349320118861825?t=OymNhKqmIuIRa-m9QqOKsg&s= Panthers treating the draft like it’s Madden, only without the fun of acquiring half of the 5th round.
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kiimo posted:Apparently it's already out that Carolina will consider trading down a spot or 2 if they like more than 1 QB. This is 1000% Carolina "leaking" it to drive up potential trade value. They're just looking for options.
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Mar 11, 2023 01:34
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a neat cape posted:Traded Mack to who now move the team back to San Diego
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Mar 11, 2023 01:49
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Dexo posted:Arizona on draft day is going to get a silly offer for that third pick. This is setting up incredibly well for Seattle. They're already almost certain to have either Andersen or Carter sitting at #5, and if Arizona trades back for a QB needy team then they'll have their pick of the two.
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Mar 11, 2023 01:56
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Panthers are just trying to make the Texans think Indy is going to jump up so they can recoup something. IMO no way they drop back past 2.
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Mar 11, 2023 01:59
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I was thinking they are seeing if Houston moves up because they probably believe it's for Richardson or Young. They probably don't want Stroud who has the same agent that Deshaun Watson does. kiimo fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Mar 11, 2023 |
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Mar 11, 2023 02:02
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kiimo posted:I was thinking they are seeing if Houston moves up because they probably believe it's for Richardson or Young. They probably don't want Stroud who has the same agent that Deshaun Watson does. How religious is Bryce young?
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Mar 11, 2023 02:08
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BlindSite posted:Panthers are just trying to make the Texans think Indy is going to jump up so they can recoup something. IMO no way they drop back past 2. It's a really stupid bluff because Houston has to buy into the idea that Carolina is willing to open the door to a scenario where three QBs are off the board before they pick.
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Mar 11, 2023 02:23
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xbilkis posted:It's a really stupid bluff because Houston has to buy into the idea that Carolina is willing to open the door to a scenario where three QBs are off the board before they pick. Also that they traded up to #1 without knowing who they’re taking.
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Mar 11, 2023 02:52
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Carolina is not trading down.
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Mar 11, 2023 03:00
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wandler20 posted:Carolina is not trading down. Lord I hope not. My bears fan buddy was hearing all the Carolina scuttlebutt so we loaded up on some bets before the trade went through. Would be devastating if they traded out lol
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Mar 11, 2023 03:02
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Never say never and all that but like I said, the only way this happens if if they know for sure who other guys are taking, which they won't and they can't. The pie in the sky dream scenario would be to drop back to 4 so that Indy could take someone like Richardson, texans take young, arizona hold and we took Stroud, but you'd been too worried about Seattle or the Raiders or someone jumping into Arizona's spot. I also just watched a video by the dudes who did the QB breakdowns with McCown and they said without saying that they'd spoken to McCown and it's Stroud and they tried everything to keep Moore but the Bears were firm.
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Mar 11, 2023 03:06
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BlindSite posted:
I know some people are saying Stroud isn't worth it, but I think they are wrong. I think this could very well be a trade that works out for both teams.
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Mar 11, 2023 03:18
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I guess it's somewhat reassuring that Stroud has impressed so much that it's become a 1A and 1B situation at quarterback. I still think Bryce Young is a once every few years level of talent and would be a tad bummed if the Texans don't get him.
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Mar 11, 2023 03:21
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Kirios posted:I guess it's somewhat reassuring that Stroud has impressed so much that it's become a 1A and 1B situation at quarterback. I still think Bryce Young is a once every few years level of talent and would be a tad bummed if the Texans don't get him. Bryce Young is the better quarterback, but I'm not convinced the difference is that vast. And his size terrifies me.
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Mar 11, 2023 03:23
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I am going to die laughing if Carolina gave away that much to take Richardson.
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Mar 11, 2023 03:31
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Sataere posted:Bryce Young is the better quarterback, but I'm not convinced the difference is that vast. And his size terrifies me. And I say that Stroud is the better quarterback , and I'm convinced the difference is vast because of the size concerns!!!
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Mar 11, 2023 03:31
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Ornery and Hornery posted:And I say that Stroud is the better quarterback , and I'm convinced the difference is vast because of the size concerns!!! Oh that's why I'd take him number one. I think Young's ceiling is slightly higher, but Stroud's floor is significantly higher.
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Mar 11, 2023 03:36
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The Big Jesus posted:Also that they traded up to #1 without knowing who they’re taking. I could believe half of NFL front offices doing this.
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Mar 11, 2023 03:47
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Stroud is definitely the best fit of the top 3 for Reich's system. He could probably make something that works for Young or Richardson, but Stroud's skillset fits what he normally likes to do like a glove.
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Mar 11, 2023 03:47
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shyduck posted:https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1634349320118861825?t=OymNhKqmIuIRa-m9QqOKsg&s= the bears would be foolish not to at least look into this. with the draft haul they just got, they could easily trade up to #1 and have their qb of the future
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Mar 11, 2023 03:50
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I was always confused why Richardson was the only "If you can coach him up and he puts it all together, then he could be a true game-changer" QB prospect in the draft when CJ Stroud's last game in college was him leveling up to put on an otherworldly performance against the best team in the country. Just because Stroud is already good doesn't mean he doesn't also have untapped potential and an insane ceiling. Good on Carolina for making the right call if that's who they end up going with
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Mar 11, 2023 03:56
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Yeah I tend to believe the rumors right now, Stroud makes all the sense in the world for the Panthers.
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kiimo posted:move the team back to San Diego I would enjoy this
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Mar 11, 2023 04:15
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I'm now all in on the Colts getting Richardson and the wild ride it'll come with
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Mar 11, 2023 04:44
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If the Colts take Richardson at 4 I'm completely fine with it. My fear was them trading up for him or Levis, but if we're keeping all of our other draft capital I feel a lot better about those picks. I'll be curious to see what the behind-the-scenes dealings looked like with this trade. If Indy was trying hard to get up to that spot and just got outbid by Carolina, that'll make me a lot more nervous than if they were putting out feelers but otherwise content to stay at 4.
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Mar 11, 2023 04:50
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don't forget while those top 3 qbs are being drafted some team will be sitting back thinking, "those teams that picked, they all ""will leave us"" with a great option." and then that team will select thjeir qb next year. levis isn't pronounced that way
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Sataere posted:Oh that's why I'd take him number one. I think Young's ceiling is slightly higher, but Stroud's floor is significantly higher. Yep, as I said in the other thread it's no surprise Tepper's playing the "bad cop" by saying he wants Young to try to tempt another team into trading with the Panthers to grab Young. Seems clear as day to me Carolina's taking Stroud.
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ShakeZula posted:If the Colts take Richardson at 4 I'm completely fine with it. My fear was them trading up for him or Levis, but if we're keeping all of our other draft capital I feel a lot better about those picks. I really don't want the Colts to lose their first round pick next year, and they don't really have much draft capital this year. I could have lived with losing the 2nd this year, but they absolutely should keep the pick next year. I'm fine if they decided that was too rich for them.
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It might be prudent for the Colts as a franchise to keep their powder dry, but man, I'd be sweating bullets if I was Ballard right now. Gotta be tough to go into the offseason already on the hot seat, talk about how you understand you need to do what it takes to get the right guy at QB in the draft, and then end up in a situation where the board could plausibly go QB-QB-QB before your pick
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xbilkis posted:It might be prudent for the Colts as a franchise to keep their powder dry, but man, I'd be sweating bullets if I was Ballard right now. Gotta be tough to go into the offseason already on the hot seat, talk about how you understand you need to do what it takes to get the right guy at QB in the draft, and then end up in a situation where the board could plausibly go QB-QB-QB before your pick They could just commit to the tank next year and get Caleb Williams. Irsay's done it before and I think if they laid that out as the plan and just staying pat, Irsay would be fine with it.
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I mean, I kind of say it jokingly, but I would not be surprised if Irsay is eyeing Arch Manning and that's who he's waiting to sell the farm for.
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you can fully reset a team's qb-through-the-draft situation twice before arch manning becomes available i think. that must be the joking part you're talking about. well, i like it. i like what you said
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Sataere posted:They could just commit to the tank next year and get Caleb Williams. Irsay's done it before and I think if they laid that out as the plan and just staying pat, Irsay would be fine with it. This is dangerous though since as we just saw, there can be a lot of really loving awful teams in any given year and your own coach might troll you out of contention for the #1 pick (eternal respect to Lovie the absolute king). Also that generational prospect you're dreaming of taking next year might get hurt or turn out to actually suck and welp If I'm Irsay--which I am not, because I am not licking acid tabs off a hooker while listening to Yes right now--I dump clips and trade up for my guy. Because being in this exact same "we suck rear end even in a bad division but somehow aren't bad enough to draft a franchise QB" limbo for multiple years is horrifying
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Docjowles posted:This is dangerous though since as we just saw, there can be a lot of really loving awful teams in any given year and your own coach might troll you out of contention for the #1 pick (eternal respect to Lovie the absolute king). Also that generational prospect you're dreaming of taking next year might get hurt or turn out to actually suck and welp If there is a guy at three you want, yeah. But trading up for a guy you don't want isn't a good long term decision. They might not have a choice anymore. I think it'd be easy to sell a tank to your fanbase just looking at what the Bears did.
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Colts are taking Levis and you will like it. Indianapolis will take the big strong white QB. The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.
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1. Panthers - QB 2. Texans - QB 3. Cardinals - ??? 4. Colts - QB 5. Seahawks - !!! QUESTION to the thread: IF the Cardinals stay put, which defender are they taking? I want Anderson to Seattle more than Carter. I think Anderson is more scheme proof and also will contribute more in 2023.
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I do think that if Ballard and Steichen really felt like one of the top 3/4 QBs in this draft was a clear standout from the rest and someone they were really passionate about as the future franchise guy, they would've made the move. It's entirely possible that they looked at all of them and said either "we can work with any of these guys" or "these guys could all be good, but we don't really feel like any of them are worth the draft capital." That's why I don't think the Colts will trade up with Arizona, because if they had one guy in mind and they were concerned about him getting sniped they would've moved heaven and earth to get to #1. I also don't think it's too likely that anyone jumps them, but that's just my gut feeling. Now, is it also possible that they were in a desperate bidding war for the #1 pick against Carolina and they just got outbid because Ballard is hyper-conservative when it comes to draft picks? Sure, and that possibility is the only thing causing me some concern. But I feel like Ballard knows the score at this point and he wouldn't have balked at the price if he truly believed Stroud or Young was the guy. I am bummed I won't get to root for Stroud as the Colts QB. At this point I'm guessing they take Richardson at 4, or trade back and take either Levis or Hooker.
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Ornery and Hornery posted:I want Anderson to Seattle more than Carter. I think Anderson is more scheme proof and also will contribute more in 2023. I would assume the Cards are taking Anderson, but either of them would fill a huge need pretty fast.
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Yeah there's no consensus on who the best QB is. I don't think you can go wrong with Stroud but is he really that much better that you'd give up so much for him? Maybe, but I don't think so. The Colts need help in other areas, and they wouldn't be able to address all of those needs if they traded away a lot of draft picks.
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