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why do you think 90% of our gdp is milk
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Mar 18, 2023 12:41
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That, certainly, is a snipe.
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Mar 18, 2023 12:57
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cinci zoo sniper posted:That, certainly, is a snipe. more milk for me
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Mar 18, 2023 14:52
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Get a load of Mælkdreng over here.
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Mar 18, 2023 15:04
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FreudianSlippers posted:Get a load on Mælkedreng over here.
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Mar 18, 2023 15:12
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Carthag Tuek posted:why do you think 90% of our gdp is milk Thread title potential
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Mar 18, 2023 15:15
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What does Islam say about the age of the Earth? Is it in the same range as Christianity?
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Mar 18, 2023 20:42
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Count Roland posted:What does Islam say about the age of the Earth? Is it in the same range as Christianity? it's not spelled out in the quran so they tend to go along with the scentific consensus
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Mar 18, 2023 21:04
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It's not spelled out in the bible either, some theologians just got really obsessive about adding all the ages together.
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Mar 18, 2023 21:22
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I think the Bible counts as at least secondary canon in Islam, so in theory the age counting for young earth creationism should work in Islam. But there's too my knowledge no (significant) cult embracing that kind of idiocy, because it's dumb as poo poo.
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Mar 18, 2023 21:29
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BonHair posted:I think the Bible counts as at least secondary canon in Islam, so in theory the age counting for young earth creationism should work in Islam. But there's too my knowledge no (significant) cult embracing that kind of idiocy, because it's dumb as poo poo. When I briefly worked at a university library a decade ago Turkish creationists would send the library unsolicited books. They didn't claim young earth creationism though, they just disagreed with evolution. We had a copy on the break room table for a while, before chucking it into the recycling bin along with the many books the Scientologists mailed us.
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Mar 18, 2023 22:21
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BonHair posted:I think the Bible counts as at least secondary canon in Islam, so in theory the age counting for young earth creationism should work in Islam. But there's too my knowledge no (significant) cult embracing that kind of idiocy, because it's dumb as poo poo. Oh but there are plenty of other widely held dumb as poo poo and easily disproved beliefs, like the extremely commonly held opinion that there are 2 or 3 women per every man in the world, which is why polygamy is totally fine, since otherwise many women would never be able to marry. I’ve heard this so many times, in so many different Arab countries. Christian fundamentalists do not have a monopoly on stupid, I am very sorry to inform you. But yeah, evolution is absolutely unacceptable but never heard an issue with age of the earth and have had lots of people talk about these rocks or these fossils or whatever being millions of years old, eg all the whale bones and seashells in central Egypt at Wadi el Hitan. Same driver who was sure the men to women ratio in Egypt was around 1:3 also had no issue with whales being in the area that is now central desert 5 or 10 million years ago. If you want to know the fundamental Sunni Islamist view on something then IslamQA.com is great for that. If you want to know the more common non-Islamist viewpoint then I think you’d have to ask actual people living in the area, and not the online people like you’d find in a country specific Reddit. https://islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/145806 For age of the earth. Not stated anywhere in the Quran or in any Hadith, so for that specific thing they can follow science. There are a lot of other examples where Islamic fundamentalists cannot follow science, so don’t get too psyched about this one specific thing. Saladman fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Mar 19, 2023 |
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Mar 18, 2023 23:56
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Wouldn't you notice large numbers of unmarried adult men at some point? Like I know reactionary rhetoric is dependent on very deliberately not noticing things and refusing to find out more, but it seems like the sort of thing that you'd notice even within your own immediate peer group at some point.
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Mar 18, 2023 23:59
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Guavanaut posted:Wouldn't you notice large numbers of unmarried adult men at some point? No, because there are many more women per man according to the common belief, and very few Muslim men take more than 2 wives, and even 2 is not all that common. And you wouldn’t notice unmarried adult women because when would you ever interact with adult women? Women don’t pray next to men at the mosque and in most Arab countries women don’t work in service jobs like restaurants or shops. E: it is confusing though because like, if you go out on a Friday morning in many Arab countries you will see like 100 men to every one woman out. Same also for shopping in markets, shopkeepers are 99.9% men even in Tunisia which is probably the most liberal Arab country. The only time you ever interact with women working is in public offices, and occasionally in hotels and in fancy restaurants and cafes. I’ve heard it so many times though, including again just last week in Algeria by someone who must have had a decent education as he was about 40 and spoke fluent French, Arabic, and Touareg. He was talking about wanting a second wife now that he could "afford" one (his word choice). By far from the first time I’ve heard this. Saladman fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Mar 19, 2023 |
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Mar 19, 2023 00:03
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Sure, but if the actual reality is that there are more men than women throughout ages of first marriage, even if only a small number of men marry multiple women you're going to see a bunch of unmarried adult men, unless the issue can be socially moved out to men you don't have to think about.
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Mar 19, 2023 00:09
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Guavanaut posted:Sure, but if the actual reality is that there are more men than women throughout ages of first marriage, even if only a small number of men marry multiple women you're going to see a bunch of unmarried adult men, unless the issue can be socially moved out to men you don't have to think about. Average age gap in Egypt is 5 years men older than women, so with a massively growing population, that might paper over the issue for a decade or two? Not really sure how the math works out for that, and they’re not wealthy enough to import wives like China. My wife used to work at UN Women’s Arab HQ in Cairo so she had a lot of interactions with trying to educate teenagers about common misconceptions like that, and creating documents and presentations for how to educate kids about it, since Egypt is finally trying to lower its birth rate and give some basic education about family planning.
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Mar 19, 2023 00:15
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Saladman posted:Oh but there are plenty of other widely held dumb as poo poo and easily disproved beliefs, like the extremely commonly held opinion that there are 2 or 3 women per every man in the world, which is why polygamy is totally fine, since otherwise many women would never be able to marry. I’ve heard this so many times, in so many different Arab countries. Christian fundamentalists do not have a monopoly on stupid, I am very sorry to inform you.  Oh wow I had no idea this was a thing. Saladman posted:No, because there are many more women per man according to the common belief, and very few Muslim men take more than 2 wives, and even 2 is not all that common. And you wouldn’t notice unmarried adult women because when would you ever interact with adult women? Women don’t pray next to men at the mosque and in most Arab countries women don’t work in service jobs like restaurants or shops.
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Mar 19, 2023 00:20
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Guavanaut posted:Sure, but if the actual reality is that there are more men than women throughout ages of first marriage, even if only a small number of men marry multiple women you're going to see a bunch of unmarried adult men, unless the issue can be socially moved out to men you don't have to think about. This plot is assuming that men marry women their same age. You can have statistical effects where if men in a population marry women much younger then them, and if the population is growing fairly rapidly, the number of marriage age women is significantly larger than marriage age men.
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Mar 19, 2023 00:26
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Population pyramids are super interesting. This site has all the data you need to see pyramids for current, historical, and projected population for every country in the world and by region. When I taught population ecology I used to have my students correlate interesting parts of a country's population pyramid and important events in their history. https://www.populationpyramid.net/world/2023/
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Mar 19, 2023 00:31
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Spazzle posted:This plot is assuming that men marry women their same age. You can have statistical effects where if men in a population marry women much younger then them, and if the population is growing fairly rapidly, the number of marriage age women is significantly larger than marriage age men. I'm not certain you understand how population pyramids work.
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Mar 19, 2023 00:38
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dublish posted:I'm not certain you understand how population pyramids work. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/soloish/wp/2017/01/05/in-orthodox-jewish-circles-single-women-are-largely-forgotten/
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Mar 19, 2023 01:34
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Are there many scenarios where gender distribution would be skewed in population pyramids? I know that at very old age cohorts, there will be more women because statistically they live longer. And then there are wars but even in those cases it would have to be closer to total mobilization situation, like in the world wars. Or things like the War of Triple Alliance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraguayan_War_casualtiesquote:When the war broke out the population of Paraguay was 1,337,439; when hostilities ceased it consisted of 28,746 men, 106,254 women above 15 years
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Mar 19, 2023 01:43
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Places that import foreign labor like UAE, Kuwait, and such have huge disparities on some cohorts. Also you can see the effects of the One Child Policy on China due to sex-selectivw abortion and infanticide, which is one of the reasons they repealed it. India shows similar in the youngest cohorts.
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Mar 19, 2023 01:50
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The way fundamentalist islam is supposed to work*, the women are mostly supposed to exist in an alternate world to the men, aside from the ones that are actively in your family; wives, daughters, sisters, mothers. Men and women are just not supposed to interact, so of course you wouldn't see them. That sort of stark gender segregation was actually more economically viable back in the past when things like sewing or weaving, things traditionally considered "women's work", you could be economically competitive just with the work that you do in the privacy of your own home, but it doesn't work with factory work where you need lots of people working together to be able to get economies of scale going. *Of course, how many muslim societies stuck with that model or even tried varies. Fundamentalism by nature is a modern attempt to attempt to create some kind of idealized version of the past, so modern fundamentalists would try to be stricter than many historical examples anyways.
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Mar 19, 2023 01:54
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Glah posted:Are there many scenarios where gender distribution would be skewed in population pyramids? I know that at very old age cohorts, there will be more women because statistically they live longer. And then there are wars but even in those cases it would have to be closer to total mobilization situation, like in the world wars. Or things like the War of Triple Alliance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraguayan_War_casualties 
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SlothfulCobra posted:That sort of stark gender segregation was actually more economically viable back in the past when things like sewing or weaving, things traditionally considered "women's work", you could be economically competitive just with the work that you do in the privacy of your own home, but it doesn't work with factory work where you need lots of people working together to be able to get economies of scale going. This is one of those things that really shows how transformative recent history has been. I mean how gender relations have changed within just a century. We've gone from situation where we didn't have universal full suffrage anywhere on the planet to a situation where women participate in working life and in politics in similar numbers as men. Of course there's still discrepancies, especially within certain professions, and in many countries political positions are still skewed towards men but still the change has been relatively common and fast. I'm just wondering how much material exogenic processes affect the way societies and attitudes within them change vs ideological currents. The dynamics of it all. Was this recent development achieved more through feminist ideology or was it more because of the necessity brought by world wars and mobilization of whole societies (Rosie the riveter etc.)? Or if we were to go back in time, what was the dynamics in things like material conditions of French peasants in contrast to enlightenment philosophy in bringing about the French revolution? Or black death and feudal relations. Or loving Gracchi bros vs Roman landowners. Social history feels extremely complicated for an amateur like me. I of course know that we don't have any definite answer to this, but I'd really like to know more about academic discussion about these things in lieu of historical discussion about great man theory and more marxist or material approach. Just something to read further about these things.
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Mar 19, 2023 04:10
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The most interesting one for me was how the automatic washing machine and dishwasher affected employment patterns, because that marked a massive shift in labor patterns, but because so much of it was domestic, invisible, and often unpaid (read: done by women) it gets ignored compared to things like deindustrialization or self-checkout machines, leading to things like the "you could raise a family on a single income in the good days" myth.
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Mar 19, 2023 14:41
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I remember watching a documentary in high school on Australian indigenous people who still lived mostly traditionally. One thing that stood out starkly was that while the men did the hunting, it was actually the women gathering grubs and trapping lizards that made up the majority of the protein in their diet.
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Mar 19, 2023 18:14
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Glah posted:Are there many scenarios where gender distribution would be skewed in population pyramids? I know that at very old age cohorts, there will be more women because statistically they live longer. And then there are wars but even in those cases it would have to be closer to total mobilization situation, like in the world wars. Or things like the War of Triple Alliance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraguayan_War_casualties That wiki article specifically says those numbers are false, although no citation is given directly. The conversation around it gives modern estimates
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Mar 19, 2023 19:55
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 All the world’s lighthouses, plus a mislabelled pharmacy in DRC.
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Mar 19, 2023 21:13
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Platystemon posted:
Strangely it is missing NC's lighthouses. Maybe that one dot is Cape Hatteras, but it's clearly missing the ones south of it.  
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Mar 19, 2023 21:48
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Platystemon posted:
That map looks more like someone just randomly added dots to parts of the worlds’ coastline. What’s up with Mozambique? And like.. Nepal? E: looks like it’s just taken from whatever Open Street Maps thinks is a lighthouse, then mapped on that. So probably reasonably accurate. Original thread here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/11vk1k2/outline_of_the_world_by_mapping_all_lighthouses/ I still bet there are some data sourcing issues, unless Indonesians really hate lighthouses for some reason. Saladman fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Mar 19, 2023 |
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Mar 19, 2023 22:18
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is it weird if my dream job is lighthouse keeper
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Mar 19, 2023 22:20
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:is it weird if my dream job is lighthouse keeper What would you even do as a lighthouse keeper? It's just a big house with a lamp. so this sounds like a job where you play computer games with a dank seaside view?
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Mar 19, 2023 22:22
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Glah posted:Are there many scenarios where gender distribution would be skewed in population pyramids? I know that at very old age cohorts, there will be more women because statistically they live longer. And then there are wars but even in those cases it would have to be closer to total mobilization situation, like in the world wars. Or things like the War of Triple Alliance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraguayan_War_casualties see also Russia 
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Mar 19, 2023 22:27
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There was also this link in the reddit thread: https://geodienst.github.io/lighthousemap/ A blinking lighhouse map with the correct blinking sequences for each lighthouse. cinci zoo sniper posted:What would you even do as a lighthouse keeper? It's just a big house with a lamp. so this sounds like a job where you play computer games with a dank seaside view?
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Mar 19, 2023 22:29
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Skios posted:I remember watching a documentary in high school on Australian indigenous people who still lived mostly traditionally. One thing that stood out starkly was that while the men did the hunting, it was actually the women gathering grubs and trapping lizards that made up the majority of the protein in their diet. I feel like it's pretty clear there are social dynamics in play in all these cases that are more to do with establishing statuses and group cohesion, rather than what utility the work actually has. Of course if you can say "my work has the most utility" that might get you status, but it doesn't always work out that way. Doing cool stuff like hunting or growing enormous yams might be a way of getting more clout, without actually getting your group any more resources out of your effort expended. I think that all vaguely relates back to the discussion of domestic work being undervalued and people badly misinterpreting the relative value of different types of labor even today.
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https://twitter.com/BigTucsonDad/status/1637190682317029376
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So... nothing is south of Houston?
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