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Most of the enchantment battles seem like things I wouldn't mind in some of my commander deck. Looking forward to future battles, lotta fun themes and angles to take with em. Scryfall needs to add a rotate button to these cards I'm not reading and looking at art sideways.
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Battles are gonna be way better than most people are expecting, and way worse than some people are expecting, but at least one will probably hit Fable-level obnoxiousness
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Apr 3, 2023 02:30
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they can tune just about everything about battles including deciding how much about these they consider inherent to battles and how much is part of being the siege subtype, so it's very wait-and-see imo
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Apr 3, 2023 02:35
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Silhouette posted:Battles are gonna be way better than most people are expecting, and way worse than some people are expecting, but at least one will probably hit Fable-level obnoxiousness I don't get the hate for Fable. I love the card and I don't think it's too good. Now, Reckoner Bankbuster... I'm so sick of that thing. Almost as bad as Smugglers Copter was
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Apr 3, 2023 04:06
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Fable is too efficient and creates too many threats and benefits from a single cheap card. You have to deal with the token, you have to deal with the resulting flipped fable, and they also get to loot twice if the enchantment survives a turn. Also two fables together can be a game ender by themselves, which is kind of bullshit.
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Apr 3, 2023 04:23
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:The Invasions are odd because you are in a siege of the plane, like the Phyrexians, but if you succeed in the siege and defeat the plane, you get something that defended the plane from the Phyrexians? I suspect this is part of the reason they're slow-rolling Invasion of Theros, because between the cards and the story, it looks like most of the rest of the Multiverse is getting away fairly scott-free... ... but Theros, due to the nature of how New Phyrexia 'invaded' it, looks absolutely hosed. And most of the cards revealed so far dealing with Theros in particular seem to be showing that, though Surge of Salvation seems to finally have shown something that isn't Theros just becoming Phyrexia 3.0: Actual Gods In The Religion This Time.
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Apr 3, 2023 04:25
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Mr. Locke posted:I suspect this is part of the reason they're slow-rolling Invasion of Theros, because between the cards and the story, it looks like most of the rest of the Multiverse is getting away fairly scott-free... The Theros plotline could be interesting because so far we've only seen Heliod getting Compleated but if the plane is turned that must mean most if not all of the gods get got too. And we know that the fate goddess can create Planeswalkers of her own (like the guy who got sent after Elspeth at the end of the last Theros set). Kaya assassinates Heliod but who knows what happens to the rest of them, and if losing the connection to the oil will actually make a difference as long as they have enough believers.
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Apr 3, 2023 04:44
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I totally want to see a greco-phyrexian culture emerge if we go back to theros. Have some compleated therians form a hidden settlement/base to regroup as they tackle difficult questions now that they need to survive and think for themselves. I just want to see phyrexian philosophers arguing endlessly over the various oneness-s of Nyx, Kruphix, and the Underworld as new sects and ideas emerge.
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Apr 3, 2023 04:55
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precision posted:I don't get the hate for Fable. I love the card and I don't think it's too good. Now, Reckoner Bankbuster... I'm so sick of that thing. Almost as bad as Smugglers Copter was Reid Duke basically won the PT because he was able to delay his opponent for like 3 turns w/ 1 flipped Fable then won when he got another Fable to flip.
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Apr 3, 2023 04:57
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i don't think fable is too strong, but i do think it's too versatile. it's almost the entire red color identity in one spell, which makes it no real wonder why almost every deck with red in it plays four of them
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Apr 3, 2023 05:44
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Fable isn't good in a deck that wants to be fast, which most red-heavy decks are. But Fable is incredible in a game that goes long, and it's easily splashed in most decks with that gameplan.
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this is a good trap, you think exponentially and then either get blown out when you try to wait for gas or play it on 4
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Apr 3, 2023 06:39
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The cool thing about incubator tokens is the option and headgames. Maybe opponent holds back attacker because you have 2 mana and a big enough incubate token sitting there. Then you might opt to use the mana for something else
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Venuz Patrol posted:i don't think fable is too strong, but i do think it's too versatile. it's almost the entire red color identity in one spell, which makes it no real wonder why almost every deck with red in it plays four of them Yeah, this, really. It just does everything, at a rate that's good to pay. There's a ton of subtle upside to it, like how it's 2+ (usually 3) permanents in one card, of different types. The fact the loot is delayed is surprisingly relevant. The fact that it's an enchantment, not a creature in the graveyard, is often useful for delerium type effects, etc etc. In a vacuum its only 'very efficient' but in the context of the format its just so insanely advantageous.
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Apr 3, 2023 09:02
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Khanstant posted:
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Apr 3, 2023 09:35
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mycomancy posted:Lol yeah it's pretty cool to see the evil sides of the white blue pairup. That happens every time we go to Ravnica!
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ok im not so firm on that, but why isn't she a vampire?
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Apr 3, 2023 11:00
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Goa Tse-tung posted:ok im not so firm on that, but why isn't she a vampire? And why did they put her on the worst battle of all?
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Apr 3, 2023 11:07
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!Klams posted:And why did they put her on the worst battle of all? Well that IS keeping with the flavor of Homelands: "ugh this card sucks."
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mycomancy posted:Well that IS keeping with the flavor of Homelands: "ugh this card sucks." Lol, I posted it and walked away and it suddenly came to me. I came back to edit my post but you'd already got there. Yeah, it's a huge flavour win actually!
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Goa Tse-tung posted:ok im not so firm on that, but why isn't she a vampire?
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Apr 3, 2023 11:15
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Goa Tse-tung posted:ok im not so firm on that, but why isn't she a vampire? She never was. She a mad planeswalker who forgot how to planeswalk. She and Baron Sengir are not actually related.
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Apr 3, 2023 11:16
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Fable is more efficient than Red usually is but it's not nearly as busted efficient as invoke despair
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Invoke despair should have been a 3 step Fable, then maybe it's "your "fail case" is 6 to face and draw 3" would have felt remotely fair
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Apr 3, 2023 11:58
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ex post facho posted:interesting magic themed twist on loss  I hate myself for doing this
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precision posted:Fable is more efficient than Red usually is but it's not nearly as busted efficient as invoke despair Both can be overly pushed. Fable is very powerful, but in a slightly more subtle way. It's great value, but you shouldn't discount the effect on winrate that the consistency from the second stage gives. Though don't get me wrong, Invoke is pretty loving strong. What I hate about it in particular is that it's a zero opportunity cost main deck enchantment removal in a color that's supposed to be bad at it (it's only an edict but still).
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Apr 3, 2023 12:20
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There's way more NEO enchantment removal in black then there really should be.
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Fable is played as a 4 of in both modern and legacy, and I’m glad it exists
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Time posted:Fable is played as a 4 of in both modern and legacy, and I’m glad it exists thats pretty cool, what legacy deck?
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That's still better than 99% of the cards in Homelands. 3 lifesuck for 5 would have been a solid first pick within Homelands set
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BTW: Is there an easy way to cheat those battles without just sending creatures to attack them?
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precision posted:Fable is more efficient than Red usually is but it's not nearly as busted efficient as invoke despair Fable is a multi-format staple, Invoke is kinda annoying in Standard. With MoM at least any deck playing white has a 1 mana answer to Invoke Issaries posted:BTW: Is there an easy way to cheat those battles without just sending creatures to attack them? the set has this  Vampire Hexmage is another thing people are looking at as a good tool for it
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Rinkles posted:thats pretty cool, what legacy deck? Mono red chalice stompy decks. Which, aside from the 8 initiative white era, is actually very good. It’s also a 4 of in (red) painter, which is also very good
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glissa sunslayer's seeing some standard play b/c turns out first strike and deathtouch are still busted, and they seeded battles by giving her a third mode of removing three counters from a permanent. we've also seen at least one piece of creature removal in MoM that can also target battles (but not hit face) + i think that'll be important in some matchups
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Invest in aethersnaps while they're hot! (probably don't do this)
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I think we've also seen a couple red sweepers that damage creatures AND battles most burn seems to hit battles, either explicitly, or implicitly under "any target" we have at least 2 cards that just remove counters from things and then there's good old "using battles to force your opponent to make bad blocks or else you get cool poo poo" Remember, battles are cards that YOU put in your deck, you can choose when to play them and include stuff that hits battles. it's not like planeswalkers where you have to decide whether or not to put in removal for them in case your opponent has one. If your opponent tapped out, you have a creature that can attack, and a battle in hand, you can just play the battle, attack it, and even if you don't finish the battle immediately, now your opponent has to block for it next turn.
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flatluigi posted:glissa sunslayer's seeing some standard play b/c turns out first strike and deathtouch are still busted, and they seeded battles by giving her a third mode of removing three counters from a permanent. we've also seen at least one piece of creature removal in MoM that can also target battles (but not hit face) + i think that'll be important in some matchups Glissa Sunslayer is a hilarious win condition against Archfiend of the Dross, especially against idiots who let her through.
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Apparently granny sengir has never been a vampire. These updated creature types include Irini being a turned dwarf so I guess she's just unfathomably old from one of the sixty thousand other things to cause immortality in this setting.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Apparently granny sengir has never been a vampire. I think she was always implied to be a Dwarf, just they didn't have typed legends back in the day? “That cruel being brings shame to all her fellow Dwarves and misery to all the land. She is Sengir’s daughter in spirit if not in blood.”
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