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Fight to go the distance. Davis UD.
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The SituAsian posted:Gimme all your Gervonta Davis - Ryan Garcia predictions and hot takes Garcia'll hang around throughout the fight but I think he'll start hitting a wall after the middle rounds and Davis will overwhelm him afterward. Davis by TKO, round 10. (I might be a little generous to Garcia, but I think he'll come in with a good gas tank.)
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Apr 18, 2023 22:54
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I got Garcia moneyline but if I have to call it it’s rd 10 ko by left hook
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Apr 18, 2023 23:06
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You guys are really underrating how many times a fight between two KO guys ends in a UD
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Apr 18, 2023 23:16
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my head says late stop by tank like everyone. i will be putting a decent amount of money on a draw, garcia by stop, garcia by points. maybe tank in rounds 8 or 9.
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Cigar Aficionado posted:Sanctioning fees of course. Although I've always found it especially idiotic that the sanctioning bodies hand out "interim" titles for titles that have fully active belt-holders. Literally nonsensical. Oh I figured sanctioning fees played a part, I could have swore I mentioned that in my post but I see I neglected to get around to mentioning it, my mistake. I was just wondering why the sudden uptick, although upon looking further it seems like the WBC and WBO have been giving out interim titles pretty regularly, albeit not at the level the WBA was when they still did that. Seems like the IBF is the only one new to handing them out a lot and the others have been doing it like this for at least the past decade. Strange, I thought for sure that wasn't the cause, but oh well, that's what I get for assuming I reckon. To your point about interims while there are active belt holders, I completely agree, and on top of that I'm glad to see the WBA get rid of their interim status and Regular/Super distinctions, because they were the absolute worst about that. I feel like interim titles have been misused a lot, which is a shame because I think there are ways they can be used well. I wrote up my idea on it but decided to delete it because eh, no one wants to read a pipe fantasy that I'm sure the belt holding orgs would find a way to corrupt anyways. The long and short of it was, interim fights should only happen when someone is supposed to challenge for the title but doesn't get to due to the champ being injured, like what happened with the Shigeoka brothers this past Sunday, or when multiple belts are held by one person for the purpose of guaranteeing a fighter their place in line and making the orgs less likely to strip. Zhang is last in line as far as mandatories go, which hurts his chances at getting a shot already, but with a potential undisputed fight (and likely rematch) on the horizon, even assuming Fury or Usyk fight twice a year and just do their mandatories with no voluntary fights, he would still have to wait out this year AND next before getting his shot. Even then, I give him very little shot at beating either guy, although anything can happen in boxing so you never know, but I just don't see it being too likely. Still, I think Zhang's best bet at becoming a full champion is defending his interim title and then getting elevated once whoever wins undisputed gets stripped or vacates the titles to retire. He'd be called an "E-mail champion" like Devin Haney, but he'd still be the official champion, and I give him a good chance to solidify himself as such in the eyes of any detractors he'd get from being elevated. While I give Zhang little chance against Fury or Usyk, I give him much better chances against the other guys in the top ten and several contenders and a few up and comers. I'm curious to see who Zhang fights next. Joyce has a rematch clause but I really hope he doesn't exercise it. There is a path to victory for him but I think it's best if he just moves on. This has set his ambitions back a bit, but a win does little to advance them and another loss pushes him even further back. Also I've been a fan of Zhang for awhile and I wanna see him in there with more top guys, or at least the contenders. Course like you pointed out, his fight with Joyce may hurt that. It's sort of a double edged sword; this fight has given him more recognition, but it could also have made a lot of the big money fighters afraid to get in the ring with him. JaddaCaddra fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Apr 19, 2023 |
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Apr 19, 2023 03:02
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Tank in the 10th. I also didn’t realize Garcia was 4.5 inches taller than Tank.
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I feel like something weird is gonna happen Nothing specific lol
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Apr 19, 2023 16:37
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I would like Garcia to win because Davis is an odious little mangoblin and I actively dislike looking at him so basically my prediction is Davis by decision
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A Passing Feeling posted:I would like Garcia to win because Davis is an odious little mangoblin and I actively dislike looking at him Yeah Tanks a piece of poo poo. I put 25 on Garica moneyline at +210. Lets go King Ry
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There something I've been wondering. Where does the 400m for the fights, or fights in general, come from? I'm completely ignorant of the financial side of boxing but the promoters must make back the costs if they're paying that much. I don't mean to sound disrespectful, it just sounds like a lot to recoup. Is it between tickets, ppv and advertising? I don't know if there may be another source I'm not thinking of.
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It’s because of Saudi blood and Oil money. That’s why that figure was tossed around and why it’s so believable to most. To clarify, Saudi Arabia has been funneling tons of the crown’s money into sports to try and remove the perception that Saudi Arabia doesn’t rule and is, in fact, totally not a facist dictatorship that kills people who publicly dissent them. Look guys, we got Phil Mikkelsen! OmegaFartHuffer fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Apr 20, 2023 |
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Quid posted:There something I've been wondering. Where does the 400m for the fights, or fights in general, come from? I'm completely ignorant of the financial side of boxing but the promoters must make back the costs if they're paying that much. I don't mean to sound disrespectful, it just sounds like a lot to recoup. Is it between tickets, ppv and advertising? I don't know if there may be another source I'm not thinking of. Afaik the promoter is the one who actually gets the money together. I would imagine the process of putting the money up is pretty sophisticated and involves gathering guaranteed money and anticipated income from gates, tv, etc. and getting one or more entities to back a letter of credit that allows them to sign off on all the contracts. My understanding is also that actually recouping the money the promoters lay out has been a problem. E: yes also Saudi blood money in this instance.
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Quid posted:There something I've been wondering. Where does the 400m for the fights, or fights in general, come from? I'm completely ignorant of the financial side of boxing but the promoters must make back the costs if they're paying that much. I don't mean to sound disrespectful, it just sounds like a lot to recoup. Is it between tickets, ppv and advertising? I don't know if there may be another source I'm not thinking of. Tickets, ppv revenue, advertising, and also big fights often can get site fees for hosting the event at a specific venue like a casino which will make up the revenue through gambling tourism. In the case of a heavyweight super card it would probably come from a place like Saudi Arabia that has money to spend and wants to attract wealthy tourists. You can also just do the math and see how.many pay per views they'd have to sell to hit their target. $400mil decided by $85 is about 4.7 million buys, which would be a world record for boxing pay per views about on par with Floyd Mayweather vs Manny Pacquiao. That seems pretty unlikely for any fight card in 2023 to pull off, but then add in ticket revenue, advertising, site fees and you can get a lot closer to a number like that.
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Money talks. Fury’s a cheap bastard who’s super manic at the moment so he’s just acting nutty and playing super hardball. The Saudis have been trying really hard to butter him up. Even if those fights happening in Wembley would be loving awesome, it won’t happen. But in a “neutral” country like KSA, with huge guaranteed purses, the fighters’ promoters would be stupid to not at least see how far the negotiations could go. If these fights are ever gonna happen at the time they should, KSA’s efforts unfortunately would be the best chance to make it happen. I absolutely believe at this rate that Fury’s behavior around the Usyk fight is him trying to stir enough poo poo for him to get as much money as possible from the Saudis. There’s a video of him and one of the crown princes talking after the Tommy Fury fight where Fury not-so-subtly tells him to pull the brinks truck up. Fury knows that him and Usyk is the most compelling legacy fight, and the fight that would probably be easiest on-paper for him too. IMO he honestly won all 3 Wilder fights so comfortably that him fighting Wilder would actually generate the least revenue. I think AJ could beat Wilder, and him vs AJ is the second most revenue generating fight of the two. So why not shoot for him and Joshua for undisputed in Wembley after the fact, then retire on top. OmegaFartHuffer fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Apr 20, 2023 |
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Saudi blood money makes sense. Also I was under valuing the cost of ppvs. Thanks for the answers.
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Live gate revenue for Vegas shows is insane also
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i ended up putting money on tank by stop in rd 8, garcia by points, and a draw.
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Good thinking, now you’ll lose multiple bets no matter what happens.
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Apr 20, 2023 17:31
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why yes i am extremely bad at gambling.
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The SituAsian posted:Gimme all your Gervonta Davis - Ryan Garcia predictions and hot takes I'm taking Garcia by decision. Not picking UD/MD/SD because guys will win 9 or 10 rounds only to be given an SD, especially at this level. Funny how that works. I know Davis is the favourite, but Garcia is the much bigger guy and a talented boxer in his own right. I don't think the rehydration cause will matter too much, because that weigh-in is at like 10am or something, so Garcia will have another 12~ hours to gain additional weight if needed. Garcia also looked spectacular in his last fight and is still getting better. I also think Davis is overrated - he starts slow, gives rounds away, and will likely be going into the second half of the fight down 4-2 or 5-1. I just don't like betting on guys at this level who I don't see a real path for them to win by decision. Plus I hate Davis and hope he loses and then goes to prison.
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Garcia has a good shot at winning a decision if he survives the fight, mainly because if Tank wins most of the rounds it probably doesn't get to the judges.
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https://twitter.com/BoxingKingdom14/status/1649326575081644036?t=oiaiAtA7H3GezmiOcJeeiw&s=19
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everyone with even a bit of name value was balking at the 70-30 split Fury was reported to want so yeah Ruiz makes sense there
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The Ninth Layer posted:Garcia has a good shot at winning a decision if he survives the fight, mainly because if Tank wins most of the rounds it probably doesn't get to the judges. I’m kind of coming around to this idea. I hold firm in my “goes the distance” prediction but the more I think about it Tank loses a lot of rounds against talker fighters. My initial thought was that Garcia gets dropped at some point and then guys it through the rest of the fight in a valiant but losing effort, but maybe Garcia just lands better at range for a while.
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LLCoolJD posted:https://twitter.com/BoxingKingdom14/status/1649326575081644036?t=oiaiAtA7H3GezmiOcJeeiw&s=19 The BMI in the ring is going to be insane
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Jump King posted:The BMI in the ring is going to be insane Ruiz fought Chris Arreola not too long ago
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I feel like if Garcia gets knocked down he’s not getting back up. I know he got up against Campbell but if he exposes himself to a knockdown worthy hit against Davis he’s done. Well who knows i guess lol
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Both made weight and Tank tried to fight Bernard Hopkins at the weigh in. I watched the stream on the Showtime Youtube channel and there were 42,000 viewers at peak and that wasn't even the biggest stream on Youtube. Even in the age of piracy and recession, I'm more confident than ever in my predication that fight will do insane business. +1 million buys (across all platforms) for sure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2bm2VCU9ok
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i've been thinking about this fight for ages and i'm excited for it. the x factor for me is garcia's hunger for this fight. dude has been calling tank out for literal years. most boxers will say 'i'm aiming for the title' or whatever but garcia has been dedicated to pleading for the opportunity to gently caress tank up for years. you don't have to look far to find a prize fighter overestimating their ability, but there's something very focussed about garcia's behaviour towards this particular fight. he's behaving like someone who absolutely believes he has a guy's number. can't wait honestly.
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LLCoolJD posted:https://twitter.com/BoxingKingdom14/status/1649326575081644036?t=oiaiAtA7H3GezmiOcJeeiw&s=19 Haven't seen this reported anywhere else so I wouldn't consider it a done deal. Heavyweight division is super up in the air right now. Would be nice to see some fights actually signed.
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https://twitter.com/HappyPunchPromo/status/1649559901071392768
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drat, never seen anything like that before.
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Cigar Aficionado posted:Heavyweight division is super up in the air right now. Would be nice to see some fights actually signed. What’s for sure happening atm is some Saudi money getting thrown around for heavyweight fights and all the major players want a piece of it. Arum said thats why Fury put the Usyk fight on hold, because there would be more money in December. Hearn has also discussed some Saudi fight for AJ in December. Wilder confirmed he’d been in negotiations for a Saudi fight in December too. Basically they’re all waiting on that paycheck. Another X factor is Ngannou trying to make a fight with one of the big boys too, idk what ended up happening with that but it threw a spanner into negotiations as well since that’s a one time cash cow of a fight. Atm AJ is saying he wants to fight in summer and December, I’d imagine the summer fight would be a stay busy fight and the December fight would be cash fight one way or another. Not sure what’s going on with Wilder.
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This post may or may not lead somewhere soon... https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4030456 Just pretend I proof read it and all the spelling errors you found were intentional.
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Thread! Thread! Thread!
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LLCoolJD posted:https://twitter.com/BoxingKingdom14/status/1649326575081644036?t=oiaiAtA7H3GezmiOcJeeiw&s=19 please be funny
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Haney, Stevenson, and Davis are all arguably top 10 pound for pound guys and are all at 135. Hopefully we see fights between all of them at some point.
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Also 140 pounds currently has Ryan Garcia, Regis Prograis, Josh Taylor, Teofimo Lopez, Jose Carlos Ramirez, the other Gary Russell….
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