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Electric Phantasm posted:Useless "Craptain" Mid and Filler
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Apr 24, 2023 20:50
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Don't even gaf, keeping the snipe, also amend "Filler" to the thread title please and thank you
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Apr 24, 2023 20:51
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Ubiquitus posted:It’s actually kinda crazy the marines let kuzan walk away. Why not kill him and be done with another threat? You're assuming they could kill him. When he and Akainu fought at Punk Hazard, they left the entire island messed up and the best that Akainu could get was taking Kuzan's leg. Killing the guy would likely require more resources than the marines had available at the time and risk even more collateral damage. The marines are trying to assassinate Vegapunk right now and look at how well that's going for them.
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Apr 24, 2023 21:04
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Having his just former comrades have to turn around and (try to) kill him just for resigning might also be bad for morale, you might even risk a mutiny of your heavy hitters which you need to kill him, which is the last thing you'd want. Also if word got out it'd probably be a PR disaster for the Marines for similar reasons
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Apr 24, 2023 21:13
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Trafailgar L Wasted Flaw
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Apr 24, 2023 21:31
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Ubiquitus posted:It’s actually kinda crazy the marines let kuzan walk away. Why not kill him and be done with another threat? He's definitely a deep-cover agent and his and Akainu's fight was just to sell the lie that he's left the marines.
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Apr 24, 2023 21:37
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Him being a deep cover agent is a boring direction for him but I’ll trust Oda to make it interesting if it happens
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Apr 24, 2023 21:57
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Apr 24, 2023 22:04
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Akainu didn’t kill Kuzan because they used to be comrades.
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Apr 24, 2023 22:15
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Ubiquitus posted:It’s actually kinda crazy the marines let kuzan walk away. Why not kill him and be done with another threat? Well I mean Aikanu levelled an island trying to do that and the best he could do is cut off a leg.
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Apr 24, 2023 22:20
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I think Akainu very clearly won that fight. But it wasn't supposed to be life or death they were fighting over fleet admiral (with it basically understood imo that the loser would leave the marines). I don't know why they'd kill Kuzan for losing either that seems a little crazy.
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Apr 24, 2023 22:22
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Akainu didn’t kill Kuzan because they used to be comrades. Nakainu
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Apr 24, 2023 22:39
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marines are allowed to quit without being sent to impel down.
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Apr 24, 2023 22:58
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Individual marines follow their own interpretation of justice based on their self-ideology. According to the vivrecards: Akainu's is absolute (rear end in a top hat) justice, Kizaru's is unclear justice (lol), Tsuru is cleansing justice, Sengoku is reigning justice, Fujitora is humane justice, and Aokiji is lazy justiceElectric Phantasm posted:Useless "Craptain" Mid and Filler
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Apr 24, 2023 22:59
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Ubiquitus posted:It’s actually kinda crazy the marines let kuzan walk away. Why not kill him and be done with another threat? I'm wondering why the WG was okay with Kuzan challenging Sakazuki to a duel for control of the Marines in the first place. Especially when the WG clearly favored Sakazuki. Why not just tell him to pound sand? 
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Apr 24, 2023 23:47
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He was the ace student of the Hero of the Marines! You can't just discount the clout that gives you.
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Apr 24, 2023 23:58
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yum posted:Individual marines follow their own interpretation of justice based on their self-ideology. According to the vivrecards: Akainu's is absolute (rear end in a top hat) justice, Kizaru's is unclear justice (lol), Tsuru is cleansing justice, Sengoku is reigning justice, Fujitora is humane justice, and Aokiji is lazy justice Actually Sakazuku is "Thorough Justice". Lucci also has one in Dark Justice.
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Apr 25, 2023 00:10
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U-DO Burger posted:I'm wondering why the WG was okay with Kuzan challenging Sakazuki to a duel for control of the Marines in the first place. Especially when the WG clearly favored Sakazuki. Why not just tell him to pound sand? Cause he was the successor put forth by the former Fleet Admiral.
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Apr 25, 2023 00:10
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Akainu didn’t kill Kuzan because they used to be comrades. Nah, Akainu would send a magma fist to his own mother's face to ensure her mugger didn't get away. Akainu not killing Kuzan is like 99% of the evidence that he's actually on an undercover mission for the Navy.
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Apr 25, 2023 00:34
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Maybe even Akainu believes in the bonds of friendship.......
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Apr 25, 2023 00:35
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Friendship as a common thematic element works a lot better when even the bad dudes relate to it (which is why BB is so cool) so I think it is more interesting if even a bastard like Akainu maybe does have something of a soft spot for a long-time colleague.
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Apr 25, 2023 00:38
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Akainu killing Aokiji for no reason at all doesn't even make sense... what part of his characterization suggests he'd do that?
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Apr 25, 2023 00:39
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No Wave posted:Akainu killing Aokiji for no reason at all doesn't even make sense... what part of his characterization suggests he'd do that? I’m pretty sure Akainu killed a marine or a few during the Marineford War. And he was about to kill Koby too Edit: 
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Apr 25, 2023 00:44
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No Wave posted:Akainu killing Aokiji for no reason at all doesn't even make sense... what part of his characterization suggests he'd do that? Ohara and Marineford
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Apr 25, 2023 00:45
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Kinda feel like separate situations tbh.
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Apr 25, 2023 00:48
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Reiche posted:I’m pretty sure Akainu killed a marine or a few during the Marineford War. And he was about to kill Koby too Gyges posted:Ohara and Marineford
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Apr 25, 2023 00:51
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If you get in Akainu's way of pirate murdering and/or seem less devoted to pirate murdering as he is while on duty he will kill you. But if you get in his way for a promotion he will simply take a limb.
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Apr 25, 2023 00:51
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No Wave posted:But that's a deserter. There is a long historical tradition of killing deserters. Obviously it's just murder when it's done like this but in his mind it's for a purpose. So you agree that Kuzan hasn't deserted the marines?
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Apr 25, 2023 01:00
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Sakazuki challenged Kuzan to an I Quit match for the title. Kuzan still has not said I Quit so the battle still rages.
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Apr 25, 2023 01:01
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Kild posted:So you agree that Kuzan hasn't deserted the marines?
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Apr 25, 2023 01:01
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yeah he resigned alright. he turned in his commission. and whatever else becoming part of sword was
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Apr 25, 2023 01:08
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Isn't he literally fighting against sword right now? Pretty deep cover.
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Apr 25, 2023 01:13
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Just shows how good he is at this spy thing.
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Apr 25, 2023 01:16
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Akainu wakes up every day and wonders wistfully about how life would be different right now if he'd lost the fight and was still an Admiral tearing poo poo up
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Apr 25, 2023 01:22
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Ubiquitus posted:It’s actually kinda crazy the marines let kuzan walk away. Why not kill him and be done with another threat? Wh- why would they? Kuzan was one of the best Marines they had, recommended for Fleet Admiral by the former Fleet Admiral himself, and the protégé of the Hero of the Marines. Plus, given Sakazuki and Borsalino's personalities, Kuzan was probably way more popular among the rank-and-file Marines. There was no indication that he'd go on and up and join a pirate crew, let alone the most notorious pirate crew in the world. What sort of message does it send the Marines if you kill one of your best and brightest for the crime of, uh, walking away from the job after a dude he hates got a promotion over him? Gyges posted:Nah, Akainu would send a magma fist to his own mother's face to ensure her mugger didn't get away. Akainu not killing Kuzan is like 99% of the evidence that he's actually on an undercover mission for the Navy. Sakazuki is a civilian-murderin' piece of poo poo but his deal is that he justifies every heinous action he does with his form of justice. I do not think Sakazuki would kill Kuzan just cause Kuzan tried to keep him from getting a job. In fact, I'm pretty sure Sakazuki would have been fine with keeping Kuzan in the Marines, but obviously Kuzan could never allow himself to be a part of an organization under someone who's form of justice clashes so harshly with his (considering that Kuzan developed his Lazy Justice after seeing the results of Sakazuki's brutal and uncompromising Absolute Justice). I think, had the tables been turned, Sakazuki would have just stuck to being a part of the Marines (provided that Kuzan didn't fire him). His entire agenda is rooted around conducting Absolute Justice in the name of the Marines - going vigilante or pirate wouldn't really suit him. If he was fired, he'd probably get a job directly with the World Government or just set up shop in a kingdom under the World Government and start conducting Absolute Justice on any pirates (or civilians) he got his hands on.
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Apr 25, 2023 01:23
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U-DO Burger posted:Akainu wakes up every day and wonders wistfully about how life would be different right now if he'd lost the fight and was still an Admiral tearing poo poo up Yeah I don't think Sakazuki really wanted to be Fleet Admiral as much as felt like he had to because Borsalino is so wishy-washy (ironically, Borsalino seems to be the only guy who gets along with Sakazuki), and Kuzan's too soft for him. He probably really hates having to deal with all the paperwork and managing PR and talking to the Gorosei and all that jazz.
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Apr 25, 2023 01:26
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oddium posted:yeah he resigned alright. he turned in his commission. and whatever else becoming part of sword was he actually re-signed - common translation error
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Apr 25, 2023 01:32
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:Yeah I don't think Sakazuki really wanted to be Fleet Admiral as much as felt like he had to because Borsalino is so wishy-washy (ironically, Borsalino seems to be the only guy who gets along with Sakazuki), and Kuzan's too soft for him. He probably really hates having to deal with all the paperwork and managing PR and talking to the Gorosei and all that jazz. Akainu being forced to play Emperor-scale politics and not antagonize Luffy, only to see it happen anyway because lmao, was such a good turnabout
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Apr 25, 2023 01:52
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Runa posted:Akainu being forced to play Emperor-scale politics and not antagonize Luffy, only to see it happen anyway because lmao, was such a good turnabout It's also hilarious that the once-uptight and stern and all-business Sengoku immediately starts relaxing and eating snacks in Sakazuki's office and just being a nuisance, just like how Garp used to do in Sengoku's office, after he's freed from the burden of being Fleet Admiral.
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Apr 25, 2023 02:15
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I'm still kinda confused at the Yonko/Government relationship like I get the idea with someone like Big Mom who controls a lot of territory. But Luffy? Like was anyone seriously expecting that encounter to go down any other way?
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