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i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

I brought it up last year, but the governor of coahuila has an agreement with abbott that puts pressure on bus companies in the state where anyone suspected of heading to the US illegally would have to walk the whole way. that keeps a lot of corpses on the correct side of eagle pass

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zoux
Apr 28, 2006

https://twitter.com/HannahNorton89/status/1653505282037764106

They got it with a PoO!

https://twitter.com/PatrickSvitek/status/1653505403269926928

A temporary reprieve.

Nancy
Nov 23, 2005



Young Orc
I thought I saw Mary Gonzalez grinning when she got up for the POO.

While this gives the shitters the chance to fix this issue & any others, also gives an opportunity to find new POOs.

I've been hearing in back rooms that May 6th is kind of the soft deadline before the House starts rolling calendars, so while I think SB 14 is definitely going to pass, any delay is going to make it more annoying to do so.

George H.W. Cunt
Oct 6, 2010





Bigotry uh finds a way

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

what was the point of order?

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Nancy posted:

I've been hearing in back rooms that May 6th is kind of the soft deadline before the House starts rolling calendars, so while I think SB 14 is definitely going to pass, any delay is going to make it more annoying to do so.

If not now, then in the special. Dems used to be able to rely on the 2/3s rule in the Senate and a general disdain for calling specials, but when they cooked up that special order thing in '09 to pass voter ID that was the end of Democratic Ws in the Texas statehouse, the GOP has ultimately passed everything they've wanted to. The courts have bailed them out a few times but Wendy's big filibuster: passed the bill in special. Last session they had, what 3 or 4 called sessions and because the House was in DC boosting their national profile fighting for voting rights, the Senate just merrily passed the 20ish bill slate over and over and over, keeping those stories in the news, keeping those witnesses coming up every month for another brutal hearing about this or that inalienable right. It probably doesn't matter this time around because it's pretty clear Patrick wants to have at least one special for some reason, but to me if I were a Dem my goal would be to limit the damage to 140 days every other year rather than keeping the legislature in session and letting them pummel you and add whatever new culture war issue arises between now and, oh, July 15th to the agenda.

i say swears online posted:

what was the point of order?

No one has said yet. Something ticky tack, they always are.

Jiro
Jan 13, 2004

zoux posted:

I mean that sucks but it's closer to "nuisance" than "crisis" on that particular scale. What about border municipal government are they having resources strained, or what

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_in_Brooks_County

:airquote: nuisance :airquote:

https://www.pbs.org/video/missing-in-brooks-county-ce3aee/

Jiro fucked around with this message at 22:55 on May 2, 2023

zoux
Apr 28, 2006


I agree it's a crisis for the migrants, I'm talking about the US citizens that live on the border. And I think that was pretty clear in my original post.

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
theyre hammering on the border now because they dont want to keep talking about abortion or trans stuff since they're massive losers but the base wants to keep talking about those and they want the troops to murder people trying to cross.

oh and the problem is that its great Biden can read the room but we're also getting slowly and sometimes not so slowly killed by the very right wing government he spent his career building so maybe we don't have to hand it to him

Mistaken Frisbee
Jul 19, 2007

zoux posted:

It probably doesn't matter this time around because it's pretty clear Patrick wants to have at least one special for some reason, but to me if I were a Dem my goal would be to limit the damage to 140 days every other year rather than keeping the legislature in session and letting them pummel you and add whatever new culture war issue arises between now and, oh, July 15th to the agenda.

At this point with the fascism, there's no "if you relent enough as Dems, the Rs will be satisfied and leave you alone". They will always find excuses to bring a special session and blame the Dems, the justification can be non-existent. If Roe hadn't been overturned and the midterms impacted by it, we'd be seeing special sessions to find ways to extra punish women harder for miscarriages or create a special program with an oversized budget to subsidize AR-15 purchases for students in rural areas.

If I didn't have a conscience, ALEC could hire me. I have radical right-wing model legislation ideas for days.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Well, don't give them any ideas.

And I disagree, they didn't call one after '19 and I don't think they woulda called any in '21 if not for the elections bill because people hate special sessions, the voters hates them, the lawmakers hate them, the staff hates them, the only people that like them are reporters and Dan Patrick. I think they'll call one this time around because I think Patrick is trying to big dick Phelan I don't think Phelan gives a poo poo.

Like, he wouldn't call them back just for school choice, because he doesn't have the votes in the House for it, it doesn't matter how many times he calls them in, they aren't going to pass it. And he just can't decide to call one on a whim, it has to be engineered because otherwise, the Dems just don't show up. That was the whole point of his line item veto of Article X last session. I think Abbott is probably agnostic on whether you lower appraisal caps or up the homestead exemption, he just wants to say "record breaking property tax cuts", but I don't see how the house and senate compromise with Dan Patrick doing hits about California Dade on state radio shows. He'll call them back for that and unlike Perry, he likes to load up the agenda so "the people get their money's worth", so anything that doesn't pass because of deadlines comes back, maybe they ban CRT a couple of more times, Dan gets to run the Conservative Three Ring Circus in the Senate while the House grimaces and Matt Rinaldi screams about house rinos.

Again I'm mostly talking about past sessions because it looks like all the bad bills except for vouchers are going to pass, but I'm 75% sure there's going to be a special on the budget and I'm sure that Abbott is gonna try and cook up a whole smorgasbord of conservative red meat, stuff we haven't even conceived of. Of course, without Tucker to stage manage him, he might not come up with much.

Cael
Feb 2, 2004

I get this funky high on the yellow sun.

On the slightly lighter side of "gently caress you, Texas government". I JUST wanted to do the simple form of renewing my registration by entering my VIN, thanks for web 3.0-ifying it with rounded buttons and the need to register an account you morons

Only registered members can see post attachments!

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

https://renew.txdmv.gov/Renew/RegistrationRenewalServlet??

Cael
Feb 2, 2004

I get this funky high on the yellow sun.


Lol, thank you for your service. I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually drop the older one entirely, but at least it's still there.

Dameius
Apr 3, 2006

jokes posted:

Border cities deal with extremely unique problems, specific to immigration and the woes that the current system creates, and the fact that they're almost entirely ignored by the rest of the country-- particularly the left-- loving sucks, man.

I'm not wanting to get into a circular firing squad on whose a real leftist, but to bolster your point just look at how the response was when AOC went down there during Trump. The left both ignores it and then crab buckets anyone who tries to use their national stature to do anything, even if partly or mostly self serving, about it.

Mistaken Frisbee
Jul 19, 2007
2019 was unusual because they were afraid of the 2020 election after how 2018 went. They had special sessions all the time before and after 2019. It's more unusual for us to not have them than to have them. If getting enough red meat was enough to stop a special session, it would've stopped it last session.

Today was a horrible day in a horrible session. Making noise in the gallery will get you kicked out of the gallery, though almost always just as an individual and not every single person in the gallery at once. You speedrun a bill that almost 4k people registered in opposition against and basically only let people for the bill speak, you're going to get protesters. DPS roughed up the organizing director of the Texas Freedom Network with too many officers for someone that small not fighting back and arrested them. They kicked all the peaceful protesters out of the Capitol entirely. Also, Leach posted an upskirt photo of a protester leaving the chamber.

Mistaken Frisbee fucked around with this message at 04:40 on May 3, 2023

tecnocrat
Oct 5, 2003
Struggling to keep his sanity.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzFWIuDqkCc

Allred makes his announce. Nice to see him go right after Cruz instead of dancing around it.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Does this guy have a chance?

https://twitter.com/ColinAllredTX/status/1653727403536183301

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

yes! roughly 7%

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

I mean, the trendline implies better than that, but individual candidates matter

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Mistaken Frisbee posted:

2019 was unusual because they were afraid of the 2020 election after how 2018 went. They had special sessions all the time before and after 2019. It's more unusual for us to not have them than to have them. If getting enough red meat was enough to stop a special session, it would've stopped it last session.

Today was a horrible day in a horrible session. Making noise in the gallery will get you kicked out of the gallery, though almost always just as an individual and not every single person in the gallery at once. You speedrun a bill that almost 4k people registered in opposition against and basically only let people for the bill speak, you're going to get protesters. DPS roughed up the organizing director of the Texas Freedom Network with too many officers for someone that small not fighting back and arrested them. They kicked all the peaceful protesters out of the Capitol entirely. Also, Leach posted an upskirt photo of a protester leaving the chamber.

As long as no one got injured, this pretty much the ideal outcome for the protestors, especially since they're all going to be hyped af when this bill comes back on, oh, probably Saturday. The worst thing a protest can be is ignored.

Has anyone said what the PoO was yet?


https://twitter.com/jaspscherer/status/1653744767237341187

Well gee maybe they should stop overwhelmingly voting for the party that has vowed to never do that. Interesting that it's even on crt and book bans though.

zoux fucked around with this message at 14:09 on May 3, 2023

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

tecnocrat posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzFWIuDqkCc

Allred makes his announce. Nice to see him go right after Cruz instead of dancing around it.

making GBS threads on Cruz is nice, but his delivery sucks and everything after calling Cruz a pussy is boilerplate Dem.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

zoux posted:

As long as no one got injured, this pretty much the ideal outcome for the protestors, especially since they're all going to be hyped af when this bill comes back on, oh, probably Saturday. The worst thing a protest can be is ignored.

Has anyone said what the PoO was yet?


https://twitter.com/jaspscherer/status/1653744767237341187

Well gee maybe they should stop overwhelmingly voting for the party that has vowed to never do that. Interesting that it's even on crt and book bans though.

I’m sure if you phrased it as “book bans” instead of that weaksauce description it would be a lot more unpopular

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

PostNouveau posted:

making GBS threads on Cruz is nice, but his delivery sucks and everything after calling Cruz a pussy is boilerplate Dem.

I don't think that radical leftism is going to win the day this cycle, I'm afraid.

Dameius
Apr 3, 2006

Crowder is entering a crowded and highly competitive field and he'll for sure need to think outside the box, but I don't think this is a good strategy for claiming the, "Most Divorced Man," crown.

The Bananana
May 21, 2008

This is a metaphor, a Christian allegory. The fact that I have to explain to you that Jesus is the Warthog, and the Banana is drepanocytosis is just embarrassing for you.



I think they caught the rear end in a top hat who shot up that family

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

zoux posted:

I don't think that radical leftism is going to win the day this cycle, I'm afraid.

Never know till you try.

But I mean like it's actually boilerplate. Like it's a bunch of stuff voters have heard from Dems for like 30 years that hasn't worked well in all that time. If "I reached across the aisle to work with Republicans to help our veterans" was a winning message for Democrats, we would certainly know it by now because it's practically a cliche at this point.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Dameius posted:

Crowder is entering a crowded and highly competitive field and he'll for sure need to think outside the box, but I don't think this is a good strategy for claiming the, "Most Divorced Man," crown.

He'd have to spend multiple billions of dollars on a website where everyone hates him to take that title.

PostNouveau posted:

Never know till you try.

But I mean like it's actually boilerplate. Like it's a bunch of stuff voters have heard from Dems for like 30 years that hasn't worked well in all that time. If "I reached across the aisle to work with Republicans to help our veterans" was a winning message for Democrats, we would certainly know it by now because it's practically a cliche at this point.

Find me one poll in which less than 75% of Democrats say they want bipartisanship.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

zoux posted:

Find me one poll in which less than 75% of Democrats say they want bipartisanship.

I'm sure 90% of voters say they want a balanced budget but it doesn't make it an electoral winner

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

It's always a bill analysis:

quote:

An organization mentioned in the bill’s analysis was misnamed, the Democrats found -- an error that needs to be fixed before the bill can advance.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

There's been a lot of signs that the Republican party on the national level is losing traction, but there's no magic bullet to crack open red states, just a lot of work mobilizing opposition as the ruling party loses its enthusiasm.

PostNouveau posted:

I'm sure 90% of voters say they want a balanced budget but it doesn't make it an electoral winner

W literally campaigned on unbalancing the budget. Nobody really cares about it, but they'll say they care.

Dameius
Apr 3, 2006

zoux posted:

He'd have to spend multiple billions of dollars on a website where everyone hates him to take that title.

Find me one poll in which less than 75% of Democrats say they want bipartisanship.

Hey man, creative solutions could still find a way around spending your way to the title. After all, the Yankees lose every year.

Mistaken Frisbee
Jul 19, 2007

zoux posted:

As long as no one got injured, this pretty much the ideal outcome for the protestors, especially since they're all going to be hyped af when this bill comes back on, oh, probably Saturday. The worst thing a protest can be is ignored.


I mean, people probably did get injured and traumatized watching that. The overall message conveyed, as it has always been, is that queer people should get beat up for being visible in public. And there's always been contempt for us at the Capitol, but at least Speaker Straus expressed that he thought trans kids dying was unacceptable.

It could mobilize, but it could also just scare off people afraid to get beat up or thrown in jail at a peaceful protest, especially those with trans kids or teens. They already targeted those families using DFPS, and now most of them are afraid to speak in public meetings. It's definitely not going to change any minds in that building though, because you already have Republicans think it's funny to mock, insult, and share obscene photos of peaceful protesters and the trash Democrats that will turn their backs on LGBTQ people would be persuaded by their party if they could.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Mistaken Frisbee posted:

I mean, people probably did get injured and traumatized watching that. The overall message conveyed, as it has always been, is that queer people should get beat up for being visible in public. And there's always been contempt for us at the Capitol, but at least Speaker Straus expressed that he thought trans kids dying was unacceptable.

It could mobilize, but it could also just scare off people afraid to get beat up or thrown in jail at a peaceful protest, especially those with trans kids or teens. They already targeted those families using DFPS, and now most of them are afraid to speak in public meetings. It's definitely not going to change any minds in that building though, because you already have Republicans think it's funny to mock, insult, and share obscene photos of peaceful protesters and the trash Democrats that will turn their backs on LGBTQ people would be persuaded by their party if they could.

How do you think it should've gone down?

Mistaken Frisbee
Jul 19, 2007

zoux posted:

How do you think it should've gone down?

Traditionally, as annoying it is for them, you remove individual protesters who are making noise or dropping banners in the gallery. You usually don't even restrain people, just escort them out. The bill was about to be removed from the calendar anyway due to a point of order, people would have eventually left.

The House brought in an excessive number of DPS officers with the intention of intimidation of a marginalized community and to present a false image of them being violent. Police do this poo poo at BLM protests all the time, or at counter-protests of white nationalist with guns events where police are protecting white nationalists or just swarmed around the counter-protesters to enforce the law only against the anti-racist folks.

If you were a cishet white Christian guy who brought your whole armed militia of "Dads Against Wives Being Allowed to Leave the Home" to the Capitol for a hearing to ban no-default divorce, we'd be expected to not see them as a threat because they're just expressing their constitutional rights. Only certain groups are labeled as threatening to public safety.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

That all sounds reasonable.

I think they're cracking down harder than usual because they don't want something like what happened in TN or MT because it's real bad optics, but what they did was also real bad optics. Seems like there's more news about gallery misconduct and heckler's vetoing these days. They were rarin' to go too, I've seen protesters removed from galleries but it's usually in the middle of a several hour debate, not right at the beginning. It was gallery hecklers that derailed the Senate republicans' attempt to pass the bill Wendy Davis was filibustering after they shut her down in '13 so that's probably also figuring in here.

I do think that there are going to be twice as many protesters up there when it's up again though, some people might've been scared off but we're in the middle of austin, it's going to energize more protesters imo.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

https://twitter.com/PhilJankowski/status/1653782095980888066

Possibly true but this also seems like a little chin music to the House as Patrick tries to get them to pass a bill to build a whole bunch more NG plants. Do not doubt that there is insufficient capacity in the grid but that article could've come out of Dan's comms office.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

https://twitter.com/ShelbySlawson/status/1653849543568400384

Friday

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The Bananana
May 21, 2008

This is a metaphor, a Christian allegory. The fact that I have to explain to you that Jesus is the Warthog, and the Banana is drepanocytosis is just embarrassing for you.



Edited. Instead, I'll just say, gently caress this lady

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