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I think I like it because it works for the super-hero themeing, where the characters are resourceful, not necessarily well resourced. The cards feel to me like what the heroes can do in their specific situations, and sometimes that's just eat poo poo. I think the game eventually feels plenty active when you can start knocking enemies around and pulling beams on their head and stuff too.
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RBA Starblade posted:I'd rather have a guaranteed set of tools than something random (I know, Thanks - I can kind of get that, I think. Any guy feeling on how much of it is the abstraction vs. how much is the unreliability? Like, would you have the same feeling about a game where all your interactions were based on the kinda of nearby environmental objects?
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, but it's the difference between shooting and missing and not being able to shoot at all to me), and I don't like deckbuilders
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Irony.or.Death posted:Thanks - I can kind of get that, I think. Any guy feeling on how much of it is the abstraction vs. how much is the unreliability? Like, would you have the same feeling about a game where all your interactions were based on the kinda of nearby environmental objects? If it was a guarantee that I could interact with that object if I approached it, that's fine. I just don't like engaging with shuffling or deck mechanics very much, or the idea of what I can do on a given turn being essentially random chance, which is why I don't mind when it pops up in XCOM 2 with the resistance orders. Dark Messiah of XCOM is an amazing concept for a game though, someone should get on that lmao I'm sure Midnight Suns is a fine game, Firaxis are great devs, it's just not a game for me
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ImpAtom posted:The problem is that people like to go back to 'cards' despite the fact there is no evidence anywhere that people despise cards and to be honest I never heard the 'I refuse to play any game with, ugh, cards in them' until it became the rallying cry for XCOM fans angry XCOM3 wasn't next on the docket. For me it's more that I associate card games with more irl stuff like Magic the Gathering, which turns me off from cards in video games cause there's a certain kind of lovely optimization in irl CCGs that I heavily dislike. I didn't actually pick up Slay the Spire until after playing this game specifically cause I was turned off by the card aspect, and tbh, I don't like Slay the Spire as much as I hoped I would because it's a deckbuilder roguelike and from what I've put into it's a little too dependent on random factors as to whether or not completing a particular run is even possible. That game feels like it's "keep trying until you get lucky enough to get a good deck built" which kinda spoils the fun moment to moment gameplay for me.
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TheCenturion posted:For me, there's a difference between 'you get to pick your own actions in the game, but the game itself is trying to win' and 'here's your randomized list of actions for this turn, figure out the smartest thing to do with them.' It's personal preference. I feel the oposite. Turn by turn seeing what you have and using it optikally without relying to much on flimsy probabilites feels really good. But then again I 100%ed Fights in Tigh Spaces so I knew that already.
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One big QoL improvement I'd have loved to see would be to pivot the control of the active hero to whichever card you've selected to play (not just scrolled through in your hand), but haven't actually played. So many times I've tried to move someone to do a shove without realizing I had a card selected and end up playing the card instead, usually for a different hero. Hell, change the shove indicator from the red circle used for targeting enemies with cards to a yellow circle or something, just to visually differentiate it. I also feel like the Hero Ops are a bit underbaked. I've basically stopped going for Intel caches to get copies of lovely cards for my underused heroes I don't mind not being available, and just buy whatever intel I need from the Shield Exchange. Also, please make arcane keys purchasable at the exchange. So many Epic and Legendary chests sitting out there - I want a Hunter combat boost every mission, dammit.
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I'd take being able to select shove someone or something w/o committing to a move beforehand, sometimes I waste a move action trying to get my hero where they can throw something where I want them to
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JBP posted:I personally like that every turn in midnight suns is an efficiency puzzle using what you have on hand. This. I love trying to figure out how to juggle moves, positioning, environmental weapons, card refunds, to maximize number of actions each turn. I love that as I've gotten better, my heroes gained passives that made it more possible to create long turns. I always feel powerful, but in XCOM there's always a chance my dudes are just gonna biff it and miss an easy shot and it just feels bad to me. One thing I'm surprised by is that heroes' relative physical strength is not accounted for in environmental damage. Cap smashing you with a crate should hurt way more than Magik doing the same move. Some cards temporarily boost a hero's env damage, but it's not the same.
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May 9, 2023 20:42
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I have 60 hours in this game and I dislike the “cards are inherently bad” attitude as well but the majority of the people I know who shat on this game without giving it a chance did so because they heard the game had cards and microtransactions and concluded 2K was gonna charge you for booster packs. I’d say the bizarre business structure of “we added microtransactions to buy the outfits from the deluxe edition instead of just offering an edition upgrade like every other game” hurt this way more than just the concept of having cards in it.
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Pirate Jet posted:I have 60 hours in this game and I dislike the “cards are inherently bad” attitude as well but the majority of the people I know who shat on this game without giving it a chance did so because they heard the game had cards and microtransactions and concluded 2K was gonna charge you for booster packs. I’d say the bizarre business structure of “we added microtransactions to buy the outfits from the deluxe edition instead of just offering an edition upgrade like every other game” hurt this way more than just the concept of having cards in it. The season pass or the legendary edition gets you the costumes though, which seems kinda analogous to the edition upgrade you mention.
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I would pay many dollars to find out what happened during the delay they had for this game. Did they build it with microtransactions and have to rip them out after the Avengers tanked? Did they have to rebuild the open world movement? Did they have to make Hulk a playable character suddenly?
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Chairchucker posted:The season pass or the legendary edition gets you the costumes though, which seems kinda analogous to the edition upgrade you mention. Exactly! So why offer the exact same cosmetics as microtransactions!? Fuckin’ 2K.
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May 9, 2023 22:25
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The Midniter posted:One big QoL improvement I'd have loved to see would be to pivot the control of the active hero to whichever card you've selected to play (not just scrolled through in your hand), but haven't actually played. It's annoying, but the game autosaves every turn so if you make a wrong move you can just reload.
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bobtheconqueror posted:For me it's more that I associate card games with more irl stuff like Magic the Gathering, which turns me off from cards in video games cause there's a certain kind of lovely optimization in irl CCGs that I heavily dislike. I can understand thst feeling but STS is actually pretty consistently winnable to the point the best players can win hundreds of games in a row on the hardest difficulty. The only iffy factor is The Heart and that is intentionally unbalanced and optional. But a lot of that comes from time and learning the mechanics. Like hell high level STS play even when between 'have the smallest possible deck' to 'take what you need at this exact moment' as people got better.
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ImpAtom posted:I can understand thst feeling but STS is actually pretty consistently winnable to the point the best players can win hundreds of games in a row on the hardest difficulty. The only iffy factor is The Heart and that is intentionally unbalanced and optional. Not to get too off track, but I've managed to win the default mode with the robot guy and the rogue, but the warrior guy has been a nightmare. I've managed to get to the third tier boss a few times but I've probably done 20 runs with that character and never gotten the sort of combos I need to power through the end. I've looked through the cards and I've seen some good combos, but they just don't show up. I've managed to win as the warrior guy in the custom mode, but that was with modifiers to get some early access to good cards.
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For me the card game was fine. It was all the other stuff that made me dislike it. I am not enough of a marvel fan to give a poo poo about the social interactions and it just ended up being a chore for me. And the collection stuff made me very annoyed.
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bobtheconqueror posted:For me it's more that I associate card games with more irl stuff like Magic the Gathering, which turns me off from cards in video games cause there's a certain kind of lovely optimization in irl CCGs that I heavily dislike. Have you tired Monster Train? I like it better than StS because you can do a run way quicker.
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itskage posted:I don't believe that's always the case in this thread. There's a lot of discussion about why the game flopped commercially, and there's a lot of aspects to this game that could contribute to that. I think when we try to discuss those criticisms, people start trying to defend the game from those explanations. Then through those arguments the criticisms are mistaken for thread making GBS threads. When I checked the Steam reviews on release day, there was a swell of negative reviews focused on the Denuvo protection. I’d identify that, plus the unnecessary microtransaction system and the high initial price point, were the things that killed the initial sales (though marketing may have been an issue, too). The other major factor was the Firaxis-standard jankiness, whether that be the inevitable set of bugs on release or graphical glitches that persist (cape wonkiness, for example) in a game without much demand on graphics. The ongoing narrative about the dialogue being poo poo (usually without examples or explanation) is the other prevailing trend I’ve observed. People who hate cards never played the game and people open to the mechanics generally seem to like them. It’s true that there’s a bunch of decisions made in the design that can be fairly criticized: insufficient enemy variety, the early game is too much on rails and can’t be skipped past (unlike XCom), the conversation system and the story missions reduce the replay value. I don’t know if they thought people would focus on only a few heroes and replay to focus on others; the game seems designed in the expectation you don’t grind side missions too much, especially in that the gameplay loop discourages you from just running those random missions because that means skipping a lot of Abbey content. I just note that most of these criticisms come from people with a fair number of hours played. Low sales have presumably been driven by the initial responses and not from the mostly positive reviews of people who played much of the game. RBA Starblade posted:I'd rather have a guaranteed set of tools than something random (I know, I have never drawn a hand in Midnight Suns and been unable to attack. And people forget how XCom 2 first played, without fixes, features, and mods. Aside from the long pauses during certain actions (a bug that also made a guest appearance in MS), the LoS mechanics were very janky on initial release. Moving to hide and discovering an enemy could shoot through a wall or floor to hit you was almost as frustrating as discovering that the spot you’d moved to had no LoS on a target. That latter problem has since been solved, but initial release XCom definitely had those “not being able to shoot at all” situations. Frankly, the mod community was crucial to XCom’s success.
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XCom 2 runs better, more reliably, faster and with better QoL features on my 2 year old, low-mid tier mobile phone than it ever has on my PS4 (I haven't installed it on PS5 yet), which is frankly embarrassing.
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As someone who is bad at card games, initially I had a ton of bad draws because I didn’t know what I was doing or how to build a team. The difficulty curve basically started high and got much easier as the game got on even with increasing the difficulty as it recommended. Honestly, one of my bigger criticisms is that the heroes aren’t balanced that well but I haven’t played since the first dlc.
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Started a new run now that all the DLC is out, and man, this game feels so cozy. The quick battles, the puttering around the Abby, feels so good. It's the gameplay loop of a Bioware game but slimmed down in a good way. I know we'll probably never get another game like this, but I'm glad it exists. Also, this guy's QoL mods are dope: https://www.nexusmods.com/marvelsmidnightsuns/users/176915637?tab=user+files
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Is there a mod that just massively boosts glamour point gains?
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Air Skwirl posted:Is there a mod that just massively boosts glamour point gains? Gloss? The buffed collectibles mod will make the little nodes you find around the Abbey drop more: https://www.nexusmods.com/marvelsmidnightsuns/mods/163?tab=description The default is 250 per node but there's an alternate that makes it 1000, so with that you'll probably end up with more of every resource than you could ever use.
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Little disappointed nobody modded in more enemies or turned any of the heroes into new bosses or something yet. Feels like we probably aren't going to see any big mods for this game, just QoL and outfit stuff. Kind of a shame.
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Skippy McPants posted:Started a new run now that all the DLC is out, This doesn't seem to be true, unless it came out early on Steam or something. EDIT: Nope, not seeing it on Steam either. EDIT: The devs referred to this as 'Season One' of DLC a couple times on the developer stream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_kMhVVLJrQ and I am joining a number of other people in hoping that's a hint that season 2 is coming. Chairchucker fucked around with this message at 11:59 on May 11, 2023 |
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Chairchucker posted:This doesn't seem to be true, unless it came out early on Steam or something. Sorry, almost all out. The Storm DLC will be out by the time I'm up to the point in the story where it unlocks. A second round of DLC seems very unlikely, but if they wanna do it I won't say not.
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FYI Storm DLC is live on Steam. 19.3 GB
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Hulk Smash! posted:FYI Storm DLC is live on Steam. 19.3 GB Live on Playstation, too, currently waiting for it to download.
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was hoping the season pass would get a promo along with the base and deluxe game getting one but guess that didn't happen
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One of the best DLC episodes and I was glad there was a proper resolution to the ongoing storyline. But all that stuff teasing more is going to come to nothing right? I can't imagine there's going to be more DLC given the sales.
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I'd argue that they prob already have something on the pipeline way before the release unless the sales were that abysmal that they pull the plug
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Also, the narrative on MS has drifted a fair bit since its rocky release. It'll probably end up a cult hit, though who knows if that's enough to get more DLC or a proper sequel. Even if we don't get more, what's more comic book than loose plot threads and unresolved cliffhangers? On. Brand.
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I'm really satisfied with the roster, both mechanically and thematically. But, if they wanted to give us, say, Daredevil, Moon Knight, Elsa Bloodstone and Kate Bishop I wouldn't say no. And, despite the chud adoption of his iconography, The Punisher, with explicit reference to his spooky stuff, would be fun too.
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Well, there's a spot, bottom right on the hero screen, where it's missing someone to make the whole thing symmetrical. There's room for one more surprise DLC hero. C'mon Moon Knight
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Hulk Smash! posted:Well, there's a spot, bottom right on the hero screen, where it's missing someone to make the whole thing symmetrical. There's room for one more surprise DLC hero. There's room enough in the Abbey for 20 heroes to have their own sleeping space, so I assume they planned two "seasons" of DLC. Whether or not we get that is certainly up in the air.
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Honest Thief posted:was hoping the season pass would get a promo along with the base and deluxe game getting one but guess that didn't happen This is so annoying because I bought the game at full price. I know it's not feasible but I wish there was a way to designate that and get a discount season pass as a result.
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WarEternal posted:This is so annoying because I bought the game at full price. I know it's not feasible but I wish there was a way to designate that and get a discount season pass as a result. yeah like sell an upgrade version or smth because I'm sorry but 50 bucks for the season pass is too much for what it offers
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Enjoying the DLC additions so far. When I heard they didn't plug into the main story, I kinda expected them to be zombies at the Abbey, but there's a surprising amount of interactions and reactive dialogue with the other characters.
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Deadpool’s dialogue is legit funny. Don’t care for his gameplay though. Storm is strong, especially when you’re rolling Goddess’s Blessing x2. I get she’s got the “elder stateswoman” vibe going on from a character standpoint but it doesn’t quite mesh with her Punk outfit which is objectively the best one. I wish there was a way to earn credits faster - rerolling mods gets expensive fast and I can’t be arsed most of the time to run to the forge to create new copies and start the cycle over.
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The Midniter posted:I wish there was a way to earn credits faster - rerolling mods gets expensive fast and I can’t be arsed most of the time to run to the forge to create new copies and start the cycle over. Increased Mission Rewards X2 - X20 Buffed Collectable Resources gently caress grinding. Edit: oh, and Bad Mods Be Gone is the best if you want to avoid grinding. It flat-out removes all the lovely mods from the table and only leaves the stuff you actually want on cards. Warning: this will make characters insanely overpowered as it allows stacking power mods to a degree that is normally only possible in the post-game unmodded. Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 16:12 on May 13, 2023 |
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