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Irony Be My Shield posted:Did Cobra really not expect to be killed after saying all that I almost suspect he did expect to be killed. We know he was already sick, and there’s a recurring pattern in One Piece of terminally ill people choosing martyrdom (Roger, Hiruluk).
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Yeah he might have like a snail on him or, some other kind of proof. May somehow fall into Vivi's hands and that's how we keep that going.
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May 17, 2023 22:19
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the lili stuff makes it a lot more ominous (if that's even possible) that imu was staring at vivi's portrait over that of Literal Joyboy and Literal Rocks(?) Successor. also lili and vivi seem similar in terms of names
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May 17, 2023 22:21
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Terper posted:Yeah he might have like a snail on him or, some other kind of proof. May somehow fall into Vivi's hands and that's how we keep that going. I hadn’t considered a snail, but that would make sense. It provides an in-universe reason for all the “as you know, my great-great-aunt the Queen” exposition.
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May 17, 2023 22:22
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Whooping Crabs posted:lmao at the Godfather reference sometimes, fan localization is good
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May 17, 2023 22:24
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Silver2195 posted:I almost suspect he did expect to be killed. We know he was already sick, and there’s a recurring pattern in One Piece of terminally ill people choosing martyrdom (Roger, Hiruluk). if he expected to be killed he wouldn't have left vivi completely within the power of his killers. she only escaped thanks to wapol, of all people.
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May 17, 2023 22:25
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:if he expected to be killed he wouldn't have left vivi completely within the power of his killers. she only escaped thanks to wapol, of all people. He did at least tell his guards to look after her.
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May 17, 2023 22:27
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cohol cp
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May 17, 2023 22:31
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For the love of god at least pop an h in the middle of that
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May 17, 2023 22:34
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I was waiting for the Gorosei to at least try and bullshit their way out of Cobra's questions. But nah, they just know off hand that there's no records from 8 centuries ago about some lady whose name they just now heard for the first time. To get the position you've got to fully memorize every document in the WG archives I guess.gimme the GOD drat candy posted:if he expected to be killed he wouldn't have left vivi completely within the power of his killers. she only escaped thanks to wapol, of all people. Everyone knows that Luffy would never leave a bro hanging, so it's a reasonable risk.
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May 17, 2023 22:34
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Silver2195 posted:He did at least tell his guards to look after her. cobra absolutely did not think that chaka and pell would be up to the task of extricating her from the most fortified place on the planet. no one including those two are dumb enough to think that. if he thought he'd die for asking questions, he wouldn't have brought vivi along.
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May 17, 2023 22:34
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:cohol cp 
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I R SMART LIKE ROCK posted:100% new information. Alabasta's current ruler King Cobra and Amazon Lily's current ruler is Boa Handcock. they both have snake themed names. this might have been sitting right in front of us for a very long time If this is the case then I really want to know who Enie is and why they named the Lobby after him
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May 17, 2023 23:19
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God, One Piece is really good. Controversial I know, but I feel like it's time somebody said it.
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May 17, 2023 23:46
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Gyges posted:I was waiting for the Gorosei to at least try and bullshit their way out of Cobra's questions. But nah, they just know off hand that there's no records from 8 centuries ago about some lady whose name they just now heard for the first time. To get the position you've got to fully memorize every document in the WG archives I guess. judging from their reactions it looks like they knew what was about to go down the second he rolled into that room. He was probably also doomed whether or not Im came in Also I really hope Charlos is loving dead
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May 18, 2023 00:20
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charlos is definitely alive because of how brutal that hit was. it would be a very graphic death. also, it would be hosed up if a tontatta killed a guy.
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May 18, 2023 00:25
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Charloss is definately alive because Kizaru said something like "He survived anyway, so its not that big of a deal" or something. Morgans kept referring to an attempted murder too.
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May 18, 2023 00:43
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He lives so that he may be destroyed again another day.
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May 18, 2023 00:50
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Gyges posted:He lives so that he may be destroyed again another day. What is this, like the third or fourth time he’s gotten his poo poo wrecked? It’s practically a running gag at this point
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May 18, 2023 00:55
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Larryb posted:What is this, like the third or fourth time he’s gotten his poo poo wrecked? It’s practically a running gag at this point Good! I hope his every appearance is him getting his rear end beat!
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May 18, 2023 01:27
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Jerusalem posted:Good! I hope his every appearance is him getting his rear end beat! The guy’s a piece of poo poo even by Celestial Dragon standards so I’d be fine with that at least (though hopefully he’ll be dead for real by the manga’s end)
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May 18, 2023 01:32
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Silver2195 posted:I’m going to say this doesn’t work. Most of the non-human races can interbreed with humans, and fishmen, at least, even have the same blood types. They’re clearly related to humans, and thus can’t be entirely extraterrestrial in origin. See, that's where the wilder part of the theory comes in... they're not extraterrestrial in origin. They're interdimensional. Pulled from other worlds where humans evolved slightly differently. I know it sounds pretty out-there, but Vegapunk's theory on devil fruit powers makes it a lot likelier the Ancient Kingdom were messing about with interdimensional poo poo. If they pulled in other races/tribes and couldn't send them back, they presumably would have tried to rehome them. And yeah, I figure the Ds were a smaller third faction made up of people from all backgrounds, fighting for freedom and equality. They wanted peace, but the 20 Kingdoms wanted power.
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May 18, 2023 02:32
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:if he expected to be killed he wouldn't have left vivi completely within the power of his killers. she only escaped thanks to wapol, of all people. It's also worth keeping in mind that while we have like 20+ years of hindsight to tell us that the WG is bad news, Arabasta seems to have been pretty isolated from the worst of that (Croco notwithstanding, and they probably could have written him off pretty easily as "just a bad seed" if Riku hadn't backed him up) and Scorpion might have thought he had legit diplomatic immunity, what with being both a king and a descendant of the OG 20 on top of that.
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It is kind of unreasonable to assume all races are human offshoots just because the can interbreed. After all we're talking about a setting where fruits and sufficient willpower give you magic powers.
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Silver2195 posted:I’m going to say this doesn’t work. Most of the non-human races can interbreed with humans, and fishmen, at least, even have the same blood types. They’re clearly related to humans, and thus can’t be entirely extraterrestrial in origin. Counterpoint: I'm comfortable in assuming that Oda would let aliens be able to breed with humans on literally no other basis than the fact that it worked that way with Saiyans
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One of the Revolutionaries should paint a tunnel on a wall and tell Charloss that Shirahoshi is on the other end
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Imu's unstabbed picture of Vivi is interesting in the light of the Lili news. It'd make most sense to me if Imu is immortal and knew Lili, and was struck by Vivi's resemblance. I also think it's likely that Imu is the as yet unrevealed island-destroying superweapon Uranus. I'd guess they were made immortal to prevent the weapon from reincarnating somewhere the world government can't keep tabs on it (as happened with Neptune). The elders can't actually force Imu to do their bidding so it's not like they can just nuke every island that rebels, but they may be able to coax Imu into action sometimes. Imu is the 'ruler of the world' in that they are accountable to no-one and the Elders have to keep them happy, but given their limited seeming intelligence I doubt they're plotting and pulling strings so much as acting out personal whims.
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May 18, 2023 13:12
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Imu is Liki and they’re gonna have some absolutely rockin cans.
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Bleck posted:[/spoiler] Even beyond the biology, I don’t like the idea on a thematic level. The point of the blood type thing was that humans and fishmen aren’t fundamentally all that different. Saying “actually they’re aliens” undermines that.
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Given the shape of the two items, I wonder if the Big Hat was what allowed Imu to summon the weapon to blast the island, like it's actually a tool that lets them control the weapon or otherwise teleport, resize, create a clone of the Big Hat, etc.
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Plutonis posted:Broke: Vivi is going to be a strawhat i'm hyped
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Silver2195 posted:The point of the blood type thing was that humans and fishmen aren’t fundamentally all that different. Saying “actually they’re aliens” undermines that. No, it doesn't?
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Considering we have an entire group of people that are both literally above the law and under Marine protection I'm kind of curious why Imu's existence is being kept secret to begin with (I assume it has something to do with the Void Century) Also if Imu is indeed Lili, unless there turn out to be some kind of extenuating circumstances, that essentially means that Luffy will begin and end the series by punching a giant woman
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Silver2195 posted:Even beyond the biology, I don’t like the idea on a thematic level. The point of the blood type thing was that humans and fishmen aren’t fundamentally all that different. Saying “actually they’re aliens” undermines that. Cool, except I wasn't saying the other races/tribes were aliens. I think they're from divergent evolutionary branches. Parallel dimensions. (I don't think this needs spoiler tags since this tangent has nothing to do with the chapter)
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jassa posted:Cool, except I wasn't saying the other races/tribes were aliens. I think they're from divergent evolutionary branches. Parallel dimensions. I know. Them being aliens who can interbreed with humans because that's how it worked in Dragon Ball was Bleck's suggestion. Edit: I actually kind of like the parallel universe theory, although I'm not sure why Devil Fruit users are "hated by the sea" if "real" parallel universe people aren't. Maybe a Devil Fruit reflects a more extreme level of deviation - a "lower-probability" universe. So fishmen and minks are fine because their bodies integrate animal features into a coherent human-like body, but Zoan users shapeshifting in a way that outright violates conservation of mass makes the universe annoyed. Devil Fruit users are paralyzed when immersed in water specifically because their illogical biophysics creates glitches in the universe's handling of buoyancy, or something like that. Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 22:54 on May 18, 2023 |
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May 18, 2023 20:00
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Or maybe I've got it the wrong way around, and parallel universes are the reason why Zoans don't violate conservation of mass, like Zero Space in Animorphs. Other Devil Fruit powers work similarly, just sometimes with energy instead of matter.
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May 18, 2023 23:00
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Love the whole Bakshi vibe that Imu has going on. Very Wizards.
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May 18, 2023 23:07
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Just makes me think of Hollow Knight every time they're onscreen
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Silver2195 posted:Even beyond the biology, I don’t like the idea on a thematic level. The point of the blood type thing was that humans and fishmen aren’t fundamentally all that different. Saying “actually they’re aliens” undermines that. Yea, I agree. IMO though theres still an alien somewhere and its Imu.
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