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B-But Yamato was in the spread with Nami and them! That means something!
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Isn't Yamato straight up refered to as Kaido's son?
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Jul 4, 2023 21:53
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I'm just gonna come out and say it Yamato is the hottest guy in One Piece
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Jul 4, 2023 21:55
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Electric Phantasm posted:Isn't Yamato straight up refered to as Kaido's son? yeah. like even if odas doing some gimmick i dont understand, literally every character calls yamato a dude except in the intro panel and when yamatos a kid and someone calls yamato the princess and yamato gets mad.
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Jul 4, 2023 21:56
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Gyges posted:Sorry, but some of the arguments in the responses are so loving stupid that they are golden. I will never get tired of 'official localizers are so terrible I'm gonna learn Japanese myself' and then find out that they were translating what was actually said anyway. Like doesn't Luffy call him 'Yama-O' which is basically 'Yama Guy?'
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Jul 4, 2023 22:02
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Dawgstar posted:I will never get tired of 'official localizers are so terrible I'm gonna learn Japanese myself' and then find out that they were translating what was actually said anyway. Like doesn't Luffy call him 'Yama-O' which is basically 'Yama Guy?' yup. yamato even says "I am yamato. i am kaidos son." not even acknowledging the oden part. two separate sentences as the intro. this is also why i think the data books are wrong, because it literally just scours the existing info from the comic and relays it again. kikus gender in the databooks is "born man (heart of a woman)" which is being directly referenced here:  this is yamatos intro:  but kiku gets the same style of box:  which means the intro box is biological sex. in addition, the voice actors go by the characters current presentation. morley, who is a trans woman, uses a masculine voice actor because she hasnt transitioned; so having a feminine voice is completely on brand for yamato. the databooks have been historically wrong before, so yeah, it feels pretty obvious that oda treats yamato as either nonbinary or trans in some fashion, but in a slightly different way from other characters. anime was right fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Jul 4, 2023 |
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Jul 4, 2023 22:07
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The transphobia is bad but also imagine wanting to gently caress anime characters so bad that you'll argue about it on Twitter
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Jul 4, 2023 22:11
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Imagine not enjoying a bro with big tits
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Jul 4, 2023 22:13
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Waffleman_ posted:Imagine not enjoying a bro with big tits I'm playing FFXVI, that's all they have and it rules.
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Jul 4, 2023 22:16
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Electric Phantasm posted:I'm just gonna come out and say it  (I regret nothing)
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Jul 4, 2023 22:17
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I just don't get how a group of people who have convinced themselves that it's ok to be horny over so many other things(actually a 5000 year old dragon, etc), can't also figure out how to be horny for a dude with cake and baps.
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Jul 4, 2023 22:21
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It's funny how stark it is in the comments for that tweet that nearly 100% of the lovely replies are blue checks.
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Jul 4, 2023 22:28
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Oda draws a fair few transphobic caricatures so i dont want to give him too much credit, but Kaido respecting Yamato's pronouns and everything involving the bath scene make it clear he's at least trying with Yamato and Kiku. I don't know what inspired this effort besides the revelation that he could draw a man with the big baps, but anyone trying to argue they aren't trans is only fooling themselves
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Jul 4, 2023 23:12
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dont forget morley. who everyone accepts as a woman. most of the problems were around sanjis relation to okama kingdom it felt like? iva and bon clay were good chars.
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Jul 4, 2023 23:21
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As someone who doesn't use Twitter and generally avoids the online One Piece fandom outside of this thread: is there as much lovely behavior from the fanbase when it comes to Kiku as there is with Yamato?
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Also most of the transphobic characters are from at least a decade ago
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DeadBonesBrook posted:As someone who doesn't use Twitter and generally avoids the online One Piece fandom outside of this thread: is there as much lovely behavior from the fanbase when it comes to Kiku as there is with Yamato? Oddly enough, no as far I've seen. I'm sure people are onto something when they say a lot of the transphobia is motivated by people being thirsty for Yamato specifically, but I also get the feeling that the thing people are subconsciously reacting to (or not so subconsciously) is the idea that a prominent popular "cool" character could be trans.
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Jul 4, 2023 23:25
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anime was right posted:dont forget morley. who everyone accepts as a woman. Bon Clay and Iva were good but that's about it
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Jul 4, 2023 23:33
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In the end, I think Oda's heart is in the right place, but he also has absolutely no problem whatsoever with treating gender as a joke, too, so he ends up as being super tactless about it. There's real and good rep in there (especially with Kiku and Yamato who are pretty much on the whole completely non-problematic,), but also the Okama Kingdom is a place that Sanji found so gross he learned how to fly to get away from the people there, which obviously sucks. But at the same time, they're an important part of the revolutionary army and are on the whole a force of unambiguous good in the setting, so it's kind of like lose two take one in the end. It's weird.
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Jul 4, 2023 23:40
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They use he/him for Yamato on the OP wiki, which is nice. Small victories, I guess.
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Jul 4, 2023 23:41
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Took a while to get there though. They defaulted to she/her, then switched to avoiding referring to him with pronouns, and after only like a month after his introduction did it swap to he/him.
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mdct posted:Took a while to get there though. They defaulted to she/her, then switched to avoiding referring to him with pronouns, and after only like a month after his introduction did it swap to he/him. fandom as a company sucks but they actually are pretty good about forcing the wikis to gender people correctly. like its an actual policy of theirs.
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Jul 4, 2023 23:48
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mycot posted:Oddly enough, no as far I've seen. I'm sure people are onto something when they say a lot of the transphobia is motivated by people being thirsty for Yamato specifically, but I also get the feeling that the thing people are subconsciously reacting to (or not so subconsciously) is the idea that a prominent popular "cool" character could be trans. There was also a good portion of the arc where it really felt like Yamato was going to become a crew member, so it would have been a trans main character
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Jul 4, 2023 23:49
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i don't know what was in the wiki editors' heart of hearts, but like in hindsight, there were definitely moments that felt like Yamato was more just borrowing an identity, and that he'd have a moment that was like "ah, i can be like oden and ALSO be myself [read: a woman]". obviously that didn't happen and yamato continues to own, but between that and the whole official sources not treating yamato the same as other trans characters it was probably a point of contention
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Jul 5, 2023 00:32
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Man: I'm made of rubber. Fans: I can believe that. Woman: I am a man. Fans: This is unbelievable!!! This is the kind of series where you can shout who you want to be really loudly and have it become reality, there's no question about it.
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Waffleman_ posted:There was also a good portion of the arc where it really felt like Yamato was going to become a crew member, so it would have been a trans main character Ah, Yamato was our most recent "ah, our newest Strawhat!"
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https://twitter.com/popuru_/status/1676056531396182018
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Crosspeice posted:Man: I'm made of rubber. This is a constant issue with nerds forever. Dragons and demons? Sure, cool. Wizards casting spells that let them summon meteors from space or warp across the entire planet? That's rad! Walking, talking, trees? Yeah, sure. But a black person? Oh man, time to get real pissed about how unrealistic this fantasy setting is; doubly so if there's ever a woman doing any kind of fighting.
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Jul 5, 2023 02:40
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You should respect someone's gender even if you think their reason for transitioning is silly.
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Hell yeah Franky x Robin.
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It's a hedged review, which coming from someone who loves the story, is a little disconcerting. The CGI is probably bad. There's probably more groan worthy dialog than he lets on. That they changed 'personas' is hella interesting, given the crews interplay is such a strength. Do hope he's right in that they captured the tone of the story. It doesn't take itself seriously, yeah, but it does in the certain places it really, really matters (Chopper's Doc mentor, Senor Pink). Crossing my fingers this is more like the 'Unfortunate Series of Events' adaption, which was a really beautiful compliment to the book series. Changed things, but almost always additively, and while it had bad CGI and some weird choices an overall great adaption. Yamato is a fun case in gender identity that in a more fun world would be a fun conversation -- he doesn't say 'I wish I was a dude' but instead 'I am the second coming of this very specific dude'. But bless Oda for not loving that up for the sake of a bad joke in Wano's final chapters, and gently caress the haters.
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Waffleman_ posted:Imagine not enjoying a bro with big tits hell yeah if for some reason his own insistence is not enough the question is of course easily settled by yamato's reaction to seeing battle franky
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oda definitely has the energy of an old embarrassing dad trying his best but something with the size and reach of one piece having the general attitude it does is already a miracle to me lol
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I feel like Yamato was a well-intentioned draw on Oda's historical knowledge to try and say "see? this sort of thing has been happening for centuries!" but yeah a lot of the nuance is lost in noise of colour spreads and online debates and Sanji gags
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I don't know. The bath scene has sanji and brook pretty psyched to see a dude's boobs. They seem more secure than most of the fandom.
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:Hell yeah Franky x Robin.
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CatstropheWaitress posted:Crossing my fingers this is more like the 'Unfortunate Series of Events' adaption, which was a really beautiful compliment to the book series. Changed things, but almost always additively, and while it had bad CGI and some weird choices an overall great adaption.
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Jul 5, 2023 13:45
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Adaptation, not adaption
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Even though Kaido is pissed that Yamato wants to be like Oden, and is a brutal warlord that wants to create a state of anarchy, he still calls him his son. Kaido is secure with Yamato's gender identity. KAIDO. One of the biggest villains in the series. Though it is fun to see transphobes out themselves on Twitter whenever this rolls around. Elblanco posted:I don't know. The bath scene has sanji and brook pretty psyched to see a dude's boobs. They seem more secure than most of the fandom. "Dude, nice rack, bro!" "Yo, thanks!" *fistbump*
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Electric Phantasm posted:Yamato is the hottest guy in One Piece Surely that'd be Akainu, no? DizzyBum posted:Kaido is secure with Yamato's gender identity. KAIDO. One of the biggest villains in the series. "I can excuse slavery and murder, but I draw the line at misgendering my son." but unironically. Though all this discussion has done is make me miss Yama-bro.
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