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This fight is extremely nerve wracking and exciting I literally do not know what’s gonna happen
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Fair Bear Maiden posted:How many times have people thought that Gojo was done here just for him to not be done? I'm not gonna count him out until the manga's over at this point. this chapter touches on it a bit but it seems once you reach the top tiers of jujutsu power the only limit is your imagination, and gojo's had nothing to do for the past several weeks but sit and think, so I imagine he's going to pull out some wild new poo poo I'm really curious how this fight is going to end. No way is Sukuna going down for good here, but if Gojo loses here I just don't see how it's feasible for anyone to stop him, or even mildly inconvenience him.
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Jul 7, 2023 15:03
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CharlestonJew posted:I'm really curious how this fight is going to end. No way is Sukuna going down for good here, but if Gojo loses here I just don't see how it's feasible for anyone to stop him, or even mildly inconvenience him. One way or another, Gojo lives or dies, Mahoraja's gotta go because the Dharmachakra is just too goddamn strong.
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Jul 7, 2023 15:34
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Honestly, I have no idea how Sukuna will be dealt with, but I think it's appropriate that in some way the final blow comes from Yuji. Could be fun to see Yuji get Sukuna inside again and take control once and forever. Also, *what* would happen if Yuji ate the last Sukuna finger?
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Jul 7, 2023 15:38
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sukuna’s spirit exists independently in all his fingers so he’d probably get possessed all over again, only it’d be ten times as annoying because now sukuna would be rooting for himself
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Jul 7, 2023 15:50
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It would be absurdly narratively unsatisfying if Yuji wasn't the one to deal with him.
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Jul 7, 2023 16:05
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CharlestonJew posted:this chapter touches on it a bit but it seems once you reach the top tiers of jujutsu power the only limit is your imagination, and gojo's had nothing to do for the past several weeks but sit and think, so I imagine he's going to pull out some wild new poo poo Remember it was not several weeks for Gojo, as time does not flow in prison realm. He stated it felt quick but exhausting.
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Jul 7, 2023 16:37
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mahoraga is practically a narrative device that feels like it's been set up for Gojo to take down. it would be immensely unsatisfying if Gojo doesn't push Sukuna farther than that. I don't doubt the next few chapters will have a few gotchas but I don't think Gojo's about to get dropped just like that
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Jul 7, 2023 16:37
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i mean we saw one of the other top touted characters in the series get absolutely jobbed like a loser, so I wouldn't be shocked if Gojo jobs otoh he isn't a woman so gege might let him look slightly good
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Jul 7, 2023 16:37
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i see what you mean, but as far as shonen battle manga tropes go, that fight was meant to hype up Kenjaku as no one to gently caress around with, whereas this is the fight that we've been promised since the very beginning We'll see though. I don't think Gojo will win, at least not alone, but I expect him to come up with something for Mahoraga
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Jul 7, 2023 16:42
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still kinda weird to me how basically only japanese people can do all this at scale
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Jul 7, 2023 17:57
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UnderFreddy posted:i mean we saw one of the other top touted characters in the series get absolutely jobbed like a loser, so I wouldn't be shocked if Gojo jobs Last I checked the woman fighters have been impressive even if they have died. Kenjaku outright stated he probably would have died if things had gone even slightly wrong, and him surviving the final attack was largely a lucky gamble.
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Jul 7, 2023 19:06
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MonsterEnvy posted:Last I checked the woman fighters have been impressive even if they have died. Kenjaku outright stated he probably would have died if things had gone even slightly wrong, and him surviving the final attack was largely a lucky gamble. there was no gamble, the characters aren't real people. everyone in bleach talked up Chad every chance they got and that didn't stop him from being the biggest jobber in shounen, people talking about how cool any given woman character is doesn't matter if they uniformly get their poo poo kicked in at every opportunity.
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Jul 7, 2023 20:45
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gojo would be even better if he had huge baps
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Jul 7, 2023 21:09
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I would've liked the Kenjaku fight more if she had manage to at least inflict *some* damage. But Kenjaku just coming back from a motherfucking black hole like it was nothing was just... yeah.
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Jul 7, 2023 21:19
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I think people would be less down if Hana did literally anything but be a plot device and victim. She was seemingly being set up and then nah.
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Jul 7, 2023 22:11
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Gojo has to do some lasting damage at least, so that everybody else can deal with Sukuna. Though if Gege really wants to sell this fight as pitched and"either can win", they need to show more of Sukuna's perspective and thoughts, and it would be fun seeing him react to Gojo's bullshit for a change.
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Jul 7, 2023 22:53
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The reaction trend to bloated endless shonen being these bangers that kind of stumble over themselves in the back half trying to satisfactorily wrap up is very weird to me. Let these fuckers breathe! Same issue as demon slayer here, I guess weekly format catching up again
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Jul 7, 2023 23:04
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demon slayer's weird pacing can mostly be explained by it not being a big hit before the anime so the editors most likely encouraged it to rush to the final arc to wrap up sooner than later, but then the anime was the biggest hit ever so the final arc became extremely drawn out because it was now so successful
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Jul 7, 2023 23:17
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For Demon Slayer, Gotoge had something happen to them that basically caused them to end it early and also not do much afterward.
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:there was no gamble, the characters aren't real people. everyone in bleach talked up Chad every chance they got and that didn't stop him from being the biggest jobber in shounen, people talking about how cool any given woman character is doesn't matter if they uniformly get their poo poo kicked in at every opportunity. Last I checked she did not get her poo poo kicked in and it was a pretty even fight. Maki also did well.
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Jul 7, 2023 23:46
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ImpAtom posted:I think people would be less down if Hana did literally anything but be a plot device and victim. She was seemingly being set up and then nah. probably a main character in some future prequel series
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Jul 7, 2023 23:48
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MonsterEnvy posted:Last I checked she did not get her poo poo kicked in and it was a pretty even fight. Maki also did well. Yeah, you can always tell an even fight by one person walking away pretty much uninjured while the other is dead from being sliced in two. It's like how Ivan Drago and Apollo Creed had to go to the judges.
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Jul 8, 2023 00:03
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She put up a cool fight, she didn’t get completely chumped like my boy Ryu What a waste of such a beautiful pompadour
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MonsterEnvy posted:Last I checked she did not get her poo poo kicked in and it was a pretty even fight. Maki also did well. In both outcomes their opponent just came out stronger and the story moved on.
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Jul 8, 2023 00:37
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Eat the fingers, gojo
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chiasaur11 posted:Yeah, you can always tell an even fight by one person walking away pretty much uninjured while the other is dead from being sliced in two. It's like how Ivan Drago and Apollo Creed had to go to the judges. Anything that does not outright kill someone like Kenjaku, Gojo, or Sukuna’s will result in them walking away uninjured, cause they all know Reverse Curse Technique and will heal right back to uninjured. Yuki also knew RCT and had she won she would have looked pristine after too.
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Brought To You By posted:I'd wager a lot of people look at how Tsukumo lost and the plot completely forgot about anything it wanted to hint at, or hype up, prior or during that loss as being inconsequential. I know I do. Who cares if she put up a good fight, Kenjaku is fully healed by all appearances and once again the only threat to him is Satoru Gojo. The only change to the status quo that came from her defeat and death is that Kenjaku won and assimilated Tengen. He has no lasting injury, he has no fear of the Yuuta as the only remaining special grade possibly getting one up on him like Tsukumo "potentially" did. He doesn't even regard her, she never mattered just like liquid metal chick Sukuna punked never mattered in an even shorter period of time. Yes but I think that belief is dumb. How dare the main villain win his first proper fight, that if he lost would have ended nearly the whole story there.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Anything that does not outright kill someone like Kenjaku, Gojo, or Sukuna’s will result in them walking away uninjured, cause they all know Reverse Curse Technique and will heal right back to uninjured. Gege could just make up a reason for him not being able to heal, if he wanted that fight to have any lasting impact.
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Scallop Eyes posted:Gege could just make up a reason for him not being able to heal, if he wanted that fight to have any lasting impact. That fight had lasting impact. Kenjaku got Tengen and started the end of the Culling Game.
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Jul 8, 2023 02:11
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Also yuji got her soul book and big bro got to show off his strength and survive
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MonsterEnvy posted:That fight had lasting impact. Kenjaku got Tengen and started the end of the Culling Game. No, that isn't lasting impact from the fight, because it would have happened just the same if Yuki had ditched for a beer instead. Even Stars and Stripes in MHA had a more dignified defeat, because she managed to save her teammates and (in a vague, barely relevant way) weaken the main villain. And if an arc looks bad next to Stars and Stripes, that's some pretty impressive depths of failure.
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chiasaur11 posted:No, that isn't lasting impact from the fight, because it would have happened just the same if Yuki had ditched for a beer instead. If Yuki had left, the protagonists would have another powerful ally around. Also Choso would have died and Prison Realm’s back would have been lost. Characters are allowed to lose fights. I thought her performance was good even if I hoped she would have survived.
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Jul 8, 2023 02:33
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Main problem is she was a cool lady whose power at the same time was very simple and didn't have any real time to stick around and interact before her death fight
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Jul 8, 2023 03:01
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yuki and big bro could've got a beer together, this tengen guy seems like an rear end in a top hat anyways
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The way I see it , the purpose of that fight was to show how Kenjaku fights, plus a couple of his powers, and whoever was fighting him would almost 100% lose. That's fine, it's a shonen staple, but the villain's opponents normally are unimportant mooks, or someone who we already saw fight , so we can compare their power, and who is not needed in the narrative anymore, the perfect example being Sukuna vs Jogo . It hits a little different when the one losing is someone who's never done anything in the manga and was hyped for a longe time.
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I think the fact she really just went out made it more impactful. Similarly, most shounen wouldn't have the balls to just up and off Megumi's sister like that. The only issue is we're at a 3:1 gal/guy ratio on getting fridged for this arc.
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Jul 8, 2023 04:34
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all three MCs have died at this point anyways, just start killing all our new characters from this arc too so we get more balance.
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:there was no gamble, the characters aren't real people. In discussions about the treatment of characters in the manga everyone needs to remember this. The manga is not a documentary of real life events. What happens, how characters interact and are deployed narratively, the fights and how they go, the impact on the story is all under the control of the author and editorial. Tactical realism debates are fun in a powerlevel way but not appropriate when talking about the treatment of female characters in this manga. Obviously kenjaku is not gonna lose that fight, but having him no sell a major attack is weak. It's also a fairly common trope with powerful antagonists: "oh if i didn't do X that would have actually hurt" as a way to offer lip service to whoever just jobbed out while avoiding any impact on the antagonist themselves. JJK smartly navigated a lot of generic shounen tropes in its run but still cant avoid them all. let me think of 2 ways to have added narrative weight to her death: 1. kenjaku burns some element of his soul to avoid the attack weakening him for the eventual final battle that provides the crack needed to bring him down 2. he burns some ability and can no longer use it and there's a focus on this as an actual sacrifice either one works better than "jk I'm fine" Jerkface fucked around with this message at 05:04 on Jul 8, 2023 |
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Conspiratiorist posted:I think the fact she really just went out made it more impactful. A lot of guys have been straight up dismantled in this arc, let’s be fair. Ryu, Choso, Kamo, Panda all got decimated in their showings. I mean 3/4 of those aren’t dead to be fair , but their future contributions might as well be if we’re talking about showing off their combat strength. They’ve all been deemed as dead weight pretty much against the current players Maki still stands shoulders above everyone else in terms of heavy hitters as well. I think this arc is more showing that anyone who’s not at the top of the game is gonna get completely dismantled by anyone who really understands the core of what they can do
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