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ekuNNN posted:did you deport all the kurds yet or does that happen after Not sure but there is a new permit for a gathering with the purpose of "burning a religious text" 30 mins from me so might go there to celebrate.
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uno.mannschaft posted:Not sure but there is a new permit for a gathering with the purpose of "burning a religious text" 30 mins from me so might go there to celebrate. Unless you've been publicly burning a Quran a day already you're a reactionary sorry.
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Daily update of the finnish nazi government: Still nazi. https://www.euronews.com/2023/07/11/racism-and-violence-finlands-government-plagued-by-new-scandal-on-eve-of-biden-visit
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lobsterminator posted:Daily update of the finnish nazi government: Still nazi. There's a really good older* book I read that describes (among other things) the relationship between the petite bourgeoisie and fascism really well. (It's about Vennamo and the SMP obviously, but PS really is just SMP 2.1488.) On the Wing of the Forgotten People alluding to the fact that they rise to power by courting legitimately aggrieved people without having any intention to help said people. And, indeed, fully intending to do as much griefing themselves as they can. Makes sense that big bougies are fine with little bougies in cabinet.  Of course it's in Finnish so  if you don't Finn.*) OK I'm just old and so is the book. 3D Megadoodoo has issued a correction as of 08:55 on Jul 11, 2023 |
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Sorry to pop in here, but x-posting from the Ukraine thread because I had no idea Cold War history was handled this heavy handedly in Denmark and how anyone gets any work done if using basic materialist theory gets you labelled a communist by the right wing parties and government... especially if you are writing about how the right wing parties and government... labelled historians communists during the Cold War  . "Protecting liberal values" with, insane bullshit and willful distortion of history, making sure a research program was under the military academy and not the universities, pressuring historians to whitewash the past, for the greater good of... protecting liberal values? --- When Bent Jensen’s tussle with the Danish guild of diplomatic historians is more exciting, politically speaking, than could be assumed from the latter’s numerical supremacy, it is because Jensen had a formidable backer in the newspaper Jyllands-Posten as well as powerful political allies in both the Liberal Party, at the time a member of Denmark’s coalition government, and the right-wing populist Danish People’s Party. The liberal-conservative Jyllands-Posten, Denmark’s largest newspaper and the one that in 2005 published the cartoons of the prophet Muhammad, gave Jensen—political editor 1989–91 and a member of the board of the foundation that owns the paper—a seemingly unlimited amount of column space. The right-of- center Liberals governed Denmark from 2001 to 2011 in a coalition with the Conservatives, with parliamentary support from the Danish People’s Party. Jensen’s newspaper articles and criticism of Danish mainstream Cold War historiography were an important part of the lengthy cultural battle that Anders Fogh Rasmussen, Liberal prime minister from 2001 to 2009 and subsequently secretary general of NATO, led against the Left in Danish politics. In an article in Historisk Tidsskrift, Denmark’s main history journal, Nikolaj Petersen writes that Fogh Rasmussen, from the time he assumed leadership of the Liberal Party in 1998, aimed to establish a center–right hegemony based on a platform that was centrist in regard to the redistribution of wealth and markedly conservative in regard to social values, which meant promoting such liberal values as democracy, freedom, and human rights. According to Petersen, “the success of this project rested on permanently transforming the public’s beliefs by means of the culture war that the Fogh Rasmussen cabinet declared early on against cultural radicalism, relativism, and multiculturalism.” Fogh Rasmussen’s platform entailed an activist foreign policy, working closely with the United States, the foremost exponent of such liberal values on the global stage, in a common struggle against antiliberal forces. This explains Denmark’s exceptional willingness to support American warfare in not only Afghanistan but also Iraq. In regard to foreign policy, the roots of this new Liberal platform extended back to the 1980s, when then-foreign minister and Liberal Party leader Uffe Elleman-Jensen positioned the party to the right of the Conservatives by supporting Reagan’s foreign policy and resenting the so-called footnote policy—whereby Danish dissent to NATO strategy was duly expressed in footnotes in the alliance’s documents—which the parliamentary majority dictated to the government. Against the foreign minister’s and the government’s wishes, the majority of the Folketing showed interest in making the Nordic countries a nuclear weapon–free zone; they were opposed to allowing (American) naval ships with nuclear weapons on board to dock in Danish ports; and forced the government to make, as the only alliance member, a formal reservation against NATO’s Double-Track Decision of deploying medium-range ballistic missiles unless the Soviet Union withdrew similar missiles that targeted Western Europe. Even though the enemy twenty years later was no longer totalitarian communism but radical Islamism, the chief ally remained the same. And the strategy was still to actively stand up, with U.S. assistance—and with assistance to the United States—against those who threatened liberal values. It was during this culture war against those who threaten liberal values—or, more precisely, against those who either deliberately or as the unintended consequence of originally well-meant actions help those who threaten liberal values—that Bent Jensen and his coterie found common ground with Fogh Rasmussen’s Liberal Party (and the Danish People’s Party) and provided mutual, albeit dissimilar, support. The support from the majority of the Folketing to Jensen was entirely concrete, coming as it did in the guise of allocations for establishing a Centre for Cold War Studies (Center for Koldkrigsforskning, CFKF). The center received a three-year appropriation of 10 million Danish kroner in the government budget for 2006, but it was first in the autumn of 2007 that it was up and running. The center’s mandate was to “carry out free and wide-ranging research and dissemination in regard to Denmark during the Cold War,” which would ultimately result in a “clear and informative publication.” The latter comment was an implicit dig at a 2005 research report from the Danish Institute for International Studies (DIIS) titled “Danmark under den kolde krig” (Denmark during the Cold War), whose four volumes and 2,500 pages of, at times, jargon-heavy text were a tough slog for laypeople and parliamentarians alike and to which we shall return in a moment. Explicitly taking the DIIS report “into consideration”—though perhaps rather being spurred into action by dissatisfaction with it—the center was to “further bring to light both Eastern Bloc influence on Danish decision-makers and the military threats aimed at Denmark and the Baltic Sea region.” “Of particular interest” was “the era’s clash of ideas in politics, in the media, and in the public debate, including the culture debate in its widest sense—in short, the shaping of opinion and its domestic and foreign sources of inspiration.” The Right in Danish politics, as led by Fogh Rasmussen and the Danish People’s Party’s Jesper Langballe, did not believe that mainstream historians would provide them with such a historical analysis. By founding a separate Centre for Cold War Studies, one that hopefully would be led by Bent Jensen—and by locating this center under the Danish Institute of Military Studies, so as to prevent it from becoming part of the university system—they believed it was a sure bet that they would get what they were looking for, given Jensen’s previous books and not least his newspaper articles. Even though Fogh Rasmussen and his allies were not allowed to go all the way and appoint Jensen to head the new center, no one who followed the debate leading up to the center’s founding was in doubt that he was the man both the prime minister and both the prime minister and the Danish People’s Party wanted. Since no academic heavyweights would apply to become the director of a center with such a rightist genesis and a mandate that so clearly was aimed at hunting down fellow travelers, it was impossible for the center’s board—appointed by the minister of defense and consisting of scholars led by Dr. Knud Larsen, the former secretary general of the Ministry of Research—to overlook Jensen. Jensen’s Centre for Cold War Studies marked the culmination of a process that originated as far back as 1995. During this time, Poul Nyrup Rasmussen’s Social Democratic government requested the Danish Institute of International Affairs (DUPI, which later merged to form part of DIIS) for a report on the role Thule Air Base played in relation to U.S. nuclear bombers flying over Greenland from 1945 to 1968. The call for such a report sparked significant controversy, but all parties seemed to find the report itself acceptable when it was finalized two years later. Similarly, the decision in 1999 to appoint the so-called PET Commission was highly contentious. The commission's mandate was to investigate the Danish Security and Intelligence Service (PET) for its monitoring of the Left during the Cold War, including the leftist activities that prompted the surveillance efforts in the first place, as well as the legality of PET’s intelligence gathering after 1968. The decision in 2000, and again in 2002 after the new Liberal–Conservative government had assumed power, to request a report from DUPI and subsequently DIIS on Denmark during the Cold War was another point of intense contention. The bone of contention related to how extensively the researchers were to investigate the connections between the Soviet bloc and what Fogh Rasmussen and others on the Right considered to be Danish fellow travelers. This ultimately became the very mandate of the Centre for Cold War Studies. Bent Jensen was given his own research center. In return, the Liberal Party (and the Danish People’s Party) received legitimacy for their culture war, in the form of ammunition for the attack by Fogh Rasmussen and his like-minded associates on those who in their view had not stood up to the totalitarian threat during the Cold War, or who had done so insufficiently, and who had instead advocated or at least been open to the idea of adapting to the enemy’s wishes and demands. Fogh Rasmussen and his culture war allies saw a parallel between those who sought to accommodate communism during the Cold War and those who were accommodating during the war on Islamist terror: this was in a sense not entirely unreasonable, especially since their criticism concerned some of the same people and organizations. The Danish Right therefore wanted historical research that reviewed the Left’s Cold War “accommodation,” what Langballe during the Folketing debate in March 2006 on founding a center for Cold War research called “the intellectual and political fascination for a totalitarian ideology that, next to Nazi-Germany, had established the most heinous terror-state in world history.” For Langballe, the relevance of such a review was obvious: "Gaining an overview of the era’s accommodation can, among things, put today’s accommodation in perspective. Accommodating the terrifying totalitarian ideology of the present age, Islamism, causes quite a few of today’s intellectuals, artists, and politicians to fail to defend freedom of speech and the free criticism of religion. We experienced accommodation to totalitarianism during the 1930s, we experienced it during the footnote era, and we experience it today—and this is a history that shall be told. For the choice between freedom and totalitarianism always turns up in new guises." As Fogh Rasmussen put it during the same debate, “the Cold War was a battle of values, an ideological conflict between different systems, between dictatorship and democracy, between totalitarian ideologies and free thought, between market economy and plan economy—and in this conflict between democracy and dictatorship one cannot remain neutral.” By alluding to how extensive the accommodating tendency was during the Cold War—how well-intentioned, naïve, and frightened Danish socialists, social democrats, and radical politicians, cultural figures, and media representatives served the interests of the Soviet dictatorship by arguing in favor of compromising with Moscow rather than, with help from the United States, standing firm against the demands from the enemies of freedom—Bent Jensen implicitly supported the Liberal-led government’s arguments against accommodating the demands from Islamists, who, for example, stated that they were offended by the Muhammad cartoons. To be sure, such arguing by way of analogy is problematic from a logical standpoint. But it can certainly be politically effective. ---  I don't even know what the gently caress to say about them working Islam into it. They think it's a nice story about protecting Denmark and Danish history from communists but it's basically a long essay about the government spying on historians, being driven out of the academy, censorship, propaganda, military control of an institute so it produces the "correct" research, ... which suggests, if we're drawing comparisons, that Muslims are not a threat to Denmark so much as Denmark is a threat to Muslims. It's the most absolutely delusional heavy-handed insanity, with the full power of the state directed by the right wing parties, but all done in the name of protecting liberal values. How do you square that circle?
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That's right. Except Langballe didn't lead the DPP, although he was influential and heavily involved in the debate. Bent Jensen was also sued by and lost to a journalist he accused of having been a KGB agent, Jørgen Dragsdahl. Fogh Rasmussen did sort of the same thing with Bjørn Lomborg and the climate debate, sort of a "teach the controversy" (abject lies) with government funds. He got up to a lot of sordid poo poo before he became NATO Sec-Gen, just as he had when he was part of the Schlüter government. He advises Zelenskyy now after a stint consulting for Goldman Sachs among other things. Interestingly, a DIIS report around the same time also determined that the founder of the Socialist People's Party, Aksel Larsen, who had split from the Communist Party over Hungary in 1956, had become a paid informant for the CIA. SplitSoul has issued a correction as of 01:01 on Jul 15, 2023 |
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SplitSoul posted:That's right. Except Langballe didn't lead the DPP, although he was influential and heavily involved in the debate. Bent Jensen was also sued by and lost to a journalist he accused of having been a KGB agent, Jørgen Dragsdahl. Fogh Rasmussen did sort of the same thing with Bjørn Lomborg and the climate debate, sort of a "teach the controversy" (abject lies) with government funds. He got up to a lot of sordid poo poo before he became NATO Sec-Gen, just as he had when he was part of the Schlüter government. He advises Zelenskyy now after a stint consulting for Goldman Sachs among other things. This seems insane. I know someone who studied in Copenhagen and I thought the Danish academy had a reputation for being, just, well, nice. I would not have expected this level of state involvement and witch hunting, but maybe I've just bought into Denmark's PR.
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Frosted Flake posted:This seems insane. I know someone who studied in Copenhagen and I thought the Danish academy had a reputation for being, just, well, nice. I would not have expected this level of state involvement and witch hunting, but maybe I've just bought into Denmark's PR. the nazis thought our police state was a bit much
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Frosted Flake posted:This seems insane. I know someone who studied in Copenhagen and I thought the Danish academy had a reputation for being, just, well, nice. I would not have expected this level of state involvement and witch hunting, but maybe I've just bought into Denmark's PR. For decades journalists working for the public broadcaster were broadly accused by the right of being "red henchmen". For some time, Fogh Rasmussen himself was known as "Red Anders" within his own party, due to his comparatively soft position on wealth redistribution, which I guess stuck in this guy's craw a bit, so his time as PM featured a massive frontal assault on every institution and facet of society determined as having a leftist slant or being at least discourteous to right-wing politics, notably on immigration, but much broader in scope. He famously wanted to rid the state apparatus of the so-called "arbiters of taste", expert committees, commissions and the like, but in the end his government imposed even more of them. During his time we also got the Danish Culture Canon and the Democracy Canon, to be implemented in educational materials and the new naturalization test for immigrants. I guess you could say he merely broadened the existing culture war, but having essentially a blank cheque from the DPP allowed him to harness state power to that end. Really quite something to behold as it happened. It also tied neatly into the mentioned caricature crisis, where certain important factors in its genesis have been obfuscated or totally erased from public memory by his government's efforts. Most Danes believe it happened simply because a small group of radical back alley Imams traveled the Middle East showing some fake drawings to government officials. But then Fogh Rasmussen threw ROJ TV under the bus to appease Türkiye and hosed off to NATO, and we were stuck with his protégé, Lars Løkke Rasmussen (no relation), the man seen here posing with some Afghan freedom fighters, including Asmat, son of Sibghatullah Mojaddedi, on a trip near the Pakistan border in 1988.  Interestingly, the trip was arranged by one of the Imams from the aforementioned group, adult convert Abdul Wahid Pedersen, and Lars would briefly be detained on suspicion of raping and murdering an anthropologist at the hotel where he stayed. He is also the current Foreign Minister and now represents the Moderates, owing to his love of moderate rebels.
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Venomous posted:turns out that there was never anyfhing good about the Nordic countries 
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SplitSoul posted:For decades journalists working for the public broadcaster were broadly accused by the right of being "red henchmen". For some time, Fogh Rasmussen himself was known as "Red Anders" within his own party, due to his comparatively soft position on wealth redistribution, which I guess stuck in this guy's craw a bit, so his time as PM featured a massive frontal assault on every institution and facet of society determined as having a leftist slant or being at least discourteous to right-wing politics, notably on immigration, but much broader in scope. He famously wanted to rid the state apparatus of the so-called "arbiters of taste", expert committees, commissions and the like, but in the end his government imposed even more of them. During his time we also got the Danish Culture Canon and the Democracy Canon, to be implemented in educational materials and the new naturalization test for immigrants. I guess you could say he merely broadened the existing culture war, but having essentially a blank cheque from the DPP allowed him to harness state power to that end. Really quite something to behold as it happened. Lmao
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So if this is how they rewrote the history of the Cold War, how do Danes talk about WW2? Only a hundred or so joined up with the Allies, right? Compared to thousands in the Heer and SS? Denmark also never formed a Government-in-Exile, which might explain the above. How is that usually explained, and how would you explain it?
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Frosted Flake posted:So if this is how they rewrote the history of the Cold War, how do Danes talk about WW2? we got all the jews out and did sabotage and then the war ended. nothing else happened.
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Zodium posted:we got all the jews out and did sabotage and then the war ended. nothing else happened. Some guy rode a horse, then he died from riding a horse badly.
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Frosted Flake posted:So if this is how they rewrote the history of the Cold War, how do Danes talk about WW2? Everybody had a grandpa in the resistance and all the Jews were sailed to safety in Sweden free of charge out of the goodness of our hearts, then the Brits and Americans saved us, while Stalin let his red horde (worse than the nazis) rape everyone living on Bornholm until 1946. We also shot all the collaborators.
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SplitSoul posted:Everybody had a grandpa in the resistance and all the Jews were sailed to safety in Sweden free of charge out of the goodness of our hearts, then the Brits and Americans saved us, while Stalin let his red horde (worse than the nazis) rape everyone living on Bornholm until 1946. We also shot all the collaborators. lmao quote:Bornholm was heavily bombarded by the Soviet Air Forces in May 1945, as it was a part of the Eastern Front. The German garrison commander, German Navy Captain Gerhard von Kamptz (1902–1998), refused to surrender to the Soviets, as his orders were to surrender only to the Western Allies. The Germans sent several telegrams to Copenhagen requesting that at least one British soldier should be transferred to Bornholm, so that the Germans could surrender to the Western Allied forces instead of the Soviets.[citation needed] When von Kamptz failed to provide a written capitulation as demanded by the Soviet commanders, Soviet aircraft relentlessly bombed and destroyed more than 800 civilian houses in Rønne and in Nexø, and seriously damaged roughly 3,000 more on 7–8 May 1945. The population had been forewarned of the bombardments, and the towns were evacuated, but 10 local people were killed. Soldiers were also killed and wounded. Some of them were conscripts from occupied Latvia fighting in German ranks against the Soviets.
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I misremembered that the nazis had surrendered to a postmaster (the highest ranking uniformed official available), but that was apparently in Holstebro. I did find this from the Kyiv Post while googling, though. https://www.kyivpost.com/post/7727 quote:In the Baltic Sea, there is an island called Bornholm, the furthest east from the main territory of Denmark, with Sweden close by to the north, and Germany to the south
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SplitSoul posted:"Denmark country collaborated with the Nazis during World War II and was a German protectorate." Unless they mean it as a compliment, the Kiev Post is throwing stones when their entire society is built on glass.
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Frosted Flake posted:Unless they mean it as a compliment, the Kiev Post is throwing stones when their entire society is built on glass. We can't garrison here, this is Denmark country! I've literally had a 🇺🇦 emoji Dane tell me the Soviets behaved worse than the nazis. The nazis who did poo poo like toss potato mashers onto packed trams in response to sabotage.
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SplitSoul posted:I misremembered that the nazis had surrendered to a postmaster (the highest ranking uniformed official available), but that was apparently in Holstebro. I did find this from the Kyiv Post while googling, though. quote:The Germans on the island had officially surrendered to the British. Therefore, the German commandant of the island refused to meet with Major Pavel Antonik, who led the Soviet troops. so how is this particular scenario supposed to work, exactly? because correct me if im wrong, but surrendered officers don't generally get to just blow off the people that have taken them captive do they?
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Cerebral Bore posted:so how is this particular scenario supposed to work, exactly? because correct me if im wrong, but surrendered officers don't generally get to just blow off the people that have taken them captive do they? Dunno, but he survived and went on to grow a Hitler 'stache and dabble in nazi revival.
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