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OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC
Foreign borrowers issue a record amount of yuan debt, helping internationalize China's currency

quote:

China's monetary easing is attracting foreigners looking to borrow yuan at relatively lower rates, helping globalize the currency.

According to Bloomberg, international borrowers have issued around $10.4 billion worth of "panda bonds" in 2023, a form of offshore yuan notes that remain within China's domestic interbank market. This year's issuance of panda bonds marks a new high, surpassing the prior record of $10.2 billion for the same year-to-date span set in 2021.

It's the indirect result of a slumping Chinese economy, which has motivated the country's central bank to introduce interest rate cuts this month.

That has induced foreign borrowers like the Mercedes-Benz Group and the Hungarian government to take advantage of China's lower rates.

But the popularity of these bonds is also helping increase the yuan's internationalization. It follows Beijing's efforts to boost the currency's use globally and erode the US dollar's dominance in trade and central bank reserves.

That's not a big increase, but as Western central banks raise rates and China cuts rates, the yuan is more attractive to borrowers.

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fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

Centrist Committee posted:

yuan:dollar::renminbi:dollar

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
from the eurasia thread:

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

OhFunny posted:

In Argentina, US dollars are so scarce that yuan use is at record high

quote:

It has gotten so hard to find US dollars in Argentina that Whirlpool, the American appliance giant, is considering paying with China’s yuan to import parts for a new factory.

Edit: nonpaywalled link

not just factory parts now:

https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1674531882711523335?s=20

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019
Good

net work error
Feb 26, 2011

How large is Argentina's IMF bill? Does 2.7B pay it off or is there still a bunch left?

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

net work error posted:

How large is Argentina's IMF bill? Does 2.7B pay it off or is there still a bunch left?

it owes $44 billion

net work error
Feb 26, 2011

We're gonna need a bigger Yuan.

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC

net work error posted:

How large is Argentina's IMF bill? Does 2.7B pay it off or is there still a bunch left?

$44 billion.

Edit: beaten

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

How are Chinese capitalists taking the switch over from USD to Yuan? I imagine that many of them have most of their overseas money in USD, is that an incorrect assumption?

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!
It is a brilliant idea. It's like private equity at the national level.

Coup in a neoliberal patsy, put the whole country in debt to the imf, then when either democracy or revolution puts in a legitimate leader, build them accountable to the debt and force neoliberal reforms.

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

AnimeIsTrash posted:

How are Chinese capitalists taking the switch over from USD to Yuan? I imagine that many of them have most of their overseas money in USD, is that an incorrect assumption?
I’m not Chinese nor a capitalist but I think they have a lot of diversification in both. there’s definitely a lot of assets tied up in like Vancouver and stocks etc

after seeing what america does to its perceived enemies and increased rising sinophobic rhetoric from the libs, they surely have a vested interest in winding down various usd holdings lest they get extra judicially seized for simply being Chinese

the biggest driver for dedollarization is the realization america is not to be trusted at all and can do whatever theft n crimes n coups to anyone that’s the enemy de jour

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

ikanreed posted:

It is a brilliant idea. It's like private equity at the national level.

Coup in a neoliberal patsy, put the whole country in debt to the imf, then when either democracy or revolution puts in a legitimate leader, build them accountable to the debt and force neoliberal reforms.

This is literally how it works, yes. Neat little trick the west picked up from endebting Haiti for stealing all that property (themselves).

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 4 hours!

ikanreed posted:

It is a brilliant idea. It's like private equity at the national level.

Coup in a neoliberal patsy, put the whole country in debt to the imf, then when either democracy or revolution puts in a legitimate leader, build them accountable to the debt and force neoliberal reforms.

not only is that what we have been doing for decades, the roman empire did the same

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC
Argentina Allows Bank Accounts To Be Opened With Yuan Following US Dollar Shortage


quote:

A statement on the Central Bank of Argentina's website said, "The Central Bank of the Argentine Republic incorporated the renminbi yuan as the accepted currency for depositing in savings banks and current accounts. Financial institutions will thus be entitled to open bank accounts denominated in yuan renminbi. The measure is complementary to the decision of the National Securities Commission that authorized the trading of negotiable securities in RMB yuan."

The steps Argentina is taking toward de-dollarisation are out of economic necessity due to the collapse of the peso.

Such moves don't really fix the problem of the currency continuing to slide in value. As it has halved in value against the yuan over the last year.

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
https://twitter.com/XisMoments/status/1676407020281544704?t=HH_UB2oQHqN_01QB6heF0g&s=19

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019

SCO also admitted Iran as a member state

Lpzie
Nov 20, 2006

good

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
The big BRICS meeting is in august and it is going to be interesting to see if they admit a bunch of new members/change their name (it would be about time) and if there more hints about a new international reserve currency that has been rumored.

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019
lol the sco announcement of irans admission was on the 4th of july. nice

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
https://twitter.com/Kanthan2030/status/1679710428375683074?t=D5gl45Ln7JiNeR79ELM5Ow&s=19

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC
India, UAE to Trade in Local Currencies, Link Payments Systems


quote:

(Bloomberg) -- India and the United Arab Emirates agreed to use their respective local currencies for cross-border transactions, as Prime Minister Narendra Modi pushes the rupee’s role on the global stage.

The two memorandum of understandings will facilitate “seamless cross border transactions and payments, and foster greater economic cooperation between the two countries,” the Reserve Bank of India said in a statement on Saturday, as Modi and the central bank’s Governor Shaktikanta Das inked the agreements with the UAE’s President Sheikh Mohammed Bin Zayed Al Nahyan in Abu Dhabi.

The pacts will help the countries build a framework for rupee-dirham transactions, along with interlinking payment and messaging systems, as well as their respective card switches, RuPay and UAESWITCH, allowing “mutual acceptance of domestic cards and processing of card transactions,” the central bank said.

The UAE is India's third largest trading partner. India is the UAE's largest trading partner.

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

OhFunny posted:

India, UAE to Trade in Local Currencies, Link Payments Systems

The UAE is India's third largest trading partner. India is the UAE's largest trading partner.

nice!

India getting into the dedollarisation game is a good sign of their growing independence.

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


whomp whomp

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1680356437942476800?t=iXZweuOar3tx_27zzRLibg&s=19

Oglethorpe
Aug 8, 2005
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thanks wagner

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




hyrule will be devastated

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC

This Twitter account is way behind on this news. Which was discussed in the Ukraine war thread some time ago.

They're using yuan instead.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
From what I understand, Russia and India was doing direct currency trade and Russia got tons of rupees in India banks and couldn't buy anything with it because India doesn't export lot of of industrial products. The Russian oil exporters want yuan instead and the Indian government said no you can't use yuan you can use the rupees to buy our Indian bonds (which is a lol). Those all made previous round of news.

And then *something* happened and the Indian crude oil importers started paying in yuan. This news was reported as rumor not officially by any government/corperate press. That something was never made news so we don't know how and why the Indian government budged. We don't know where do Indian importers procure all the yuan either because they also have a trade deficit with China. Maybe they are secretly buying yuan with USD on the international market.

stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 14:23 on Jul 17, 2023

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019
hmm two “we’re absolutely not socialist” countries can’t do what the “yes we’re socialist and the end state is communism” country does?

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Centrist Committee posted:

hmm two “we’re absolutely not socialist” countries can’t do what the “yes we’re socialist and the end state is communism” country does?

tbf communist countries have issues with multilateral clearing too, its just that china literally makes everything so no one really cares about holding on a glut of yuans

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
yeah yuan gonna worry about holding onto a buncha rmb

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!
I'm sorry I'm gonna have to correct you. You make it sound like a nation's economic power is based on its real economy and production.

It's actually based on the numbers in this spreadsheet. Thank you.

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019
can I see the spreadsheet

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

Centrist Committee posted:

can I see the spreadsheet

https://www.heritage.org/index/explore

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
https://twitter.com/GUnderground_TV/status/1682329881663635456?t=p9biyk4tjP7YmLe8NC8y6w&s=19

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019


Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




is there a downside to joining a new gold standard with the 2 top producers of gold in eurasia for countries that dont produce gold?

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Real hurthling! posted:

is there a downside to joining a new gold standard with the 2 top producers of gold in eurasia for countries that dont produce gold?

if there are large swings in the money supply, gold production can’t be scaled up to match them, in a reasonable time frame

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ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

Real hurthling! posted:

is there a downside to joining a new gold standard with the 2 top producers of gold in eurasia for countries that dont produce gold?

Typically you trade what you do have for some of the gold backed currency. It's disadvantageous, but not as disadvantageous as USD

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